Given that he seems to think boycotting Chik-Fil-A is 'really dumb', I don"t think we need to imagine.
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Tim Sweeney (Epic Games): Companies should divorce from politics, Android is a fake open system, iOS is worse, "respect Gamer rights and freedoms"
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Tim can eat fuckin' shit. What an absolute garbage boy. Is this motherfucker saying its dumb that some people choose not to support Chick-fil-a for donating to anti-LGBTQ organizations instead of you know, calling out Chick-fil-a's wrong doing??? This dude is straight up your typical alt-right piece of shit.
Tim Sweeney can fuck himself.
Tim Sweeney can fuck himself.
I love that you're citing a paraphrasing of what he said and ignoring the actual transcription of what he said.
"There's no reason to drag divisive topics like that into gaming at all."
Man, he really is an idiot.
Android somehow isn't open because it warns its users with a "scary pop-up" that installing apps from unknown sources could be dangerous. Google Play isn't Android, that's why isn't not included in the Android Open Source Project.
He's definitely not salty that Google didn't make an exception for his billionaire ass and make him profit off Google Play for free.
Android somehow isn't open because it warns its users with a "scary pop-up" that installing apps from unknown sources could be dangerous. Google Play isn't Android, that's why isn't not included in the Android Open Source Project.
He's definitely not salty that Google didn't make an exception for his billionaire ass and make him profit off Google Play for free.
How do you propose a marketing department promote Watch Dogs: Legion a game about Brexit without being political?
I mean I'm with you, I still disagree with what he said. I just feel like if we are going to shit on him, it should be for things he actually said.
Also the Android and iOS comment is ironic. If Epic Games could be a closed platform he'd certainly do it.
Huh interesting, right at the time Kingdom Come Deliverance is going to be offered as a freebie. I wonder if Sweeney was also thinking of the controversial Warhorse Studios in addition to Chick-fil-A.
Reminded me of Division 2 and "Come see what a real government shutdown looks like in the Private Beta."
"Watch dogs legion is coming out now! Go buy it, its rad!"
"Also watch this cool trailer!"
I mean I didn't do that at all. I literally quote what he said.
" But Sweeney did say that game company marketing departments do not need to engage in politics in the same way. Sweeney said that marketing departments can stay out of politics, but the creative people should be free to say what they want to say."
He explicitly says he wants creative developers to make what they want.
From the IGN article:
Does that help you to understand what the brand of "politics" he is on about?
Gaming Rights and Gamer Freedom, huh?
I wonder what a GAMER'S BILL OF RIGHTS would look like. Ace Watkins needs to get right on this.
I wonder what a GAMER'S BILL OF RIGHTS would look like. Ace Watkins needs to get right on this.
"Sweeney said that marketing departments can stay out of politics, but the creative people should be free to say what they want to say. "
Cmon bruh
Game Design Is Always Political I'm Not Even Exaggerating Here — Midnight Resistance
If a tree falls in a forest and it develops a videogame, does it get a 7/10 from Polygon?
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That is not a direct quote. That's paraphrasing. Pretty much all the direct quotes, using quotation marks, are him calling for politics to be taken out of gaming.
That's why you need to define "politics." Otherwise, it's so overly broad that it can mean anything. For example when people say "everything is political" which is an objectively worthless statement on the order of "everything is reality" or "games are things." Generally when using a direct version of "political" we're talking about cultural structures, particularly the critique of such and we have some of that like Metal Gear or Bioshock, or even tongue-in-cheek interpretations of Mushroom Kingdom Monarchies and Economics but these are also pretty absurd takes even when taken as specifically directed that way. Furthermore, the real meat, the gameplay, is completely divorced from the conceit, you're singularly trying to succeed at the game which is at odds with any message (I heard gamers are pro-murder). Like I don't even see how an intelligent person derives a political message, then takes it seriously and then upsets themselves over it.
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Doesnt he use chick fil-a as an example of why we shouldn't allow politics to sway us from choices and then says politics like that should stay out of games.
Even if he just means marketing I dont agree with him. If a game has politics I dont agree with, I dont want to be misled by the marketing team. Maybe thata bad for making more money but it's not good for the consumer.
So I'm quoting him directly and you're quoting paraphrasing
I wonder which one wins in the accuracy department.
Look, the least I can do is not eat at Chick-fil-a for food, and now not buy (or even free games) from Epic for games
You can repeat that until the polar ice caps are completely melted, ignoring what else he said is disingenuous.
I mean I'm down. If you think its bullshit thats fine. I'm just saying if we are going to shit on him we should shit on him for what he actually means. He said so himself he wants creators to put whatever politics in games that they want. But that business should not be taking stances about politics. Let the creatives make their games. Their job is to promote those games. Thats it.
This fuckin guy is so high on his own brand that he has zero self-awareness.
One of the principles that Sweeney argued for was that "gamers should be free to engage in any game with their friends anyplace they want without any unnecessary friction." He said that the platforms have been too balkanized [...]
Gamers and game vendors should be "free of lockdown."
"Undue power has accrued to participants in the supply chain who are not at the core of the industry," said Sweeney.
Sweeney said one of the bad ideas of games is the notion that a company needs to "own the customer."
One of the principles that Sweeney argued for was that "gamers should be free to engage in any game with their friends anyplace they want without any unnecessary friction." He said that the platforms have been too balkanized [...]
Gamers and game vendors should be "free of lockdown."
"Undue power has accrued to participants in the supply chain who are not at the core of the industry," said Sweeney.
Sweeney said one of the bad ideas of games is the notion that a company needs to "own the customer."
Politics is in everything. Literally everything. Something as simple as deciding which place you buy your morning coffee can have political ramifications.
Not to mention that art in general is intimately tied to personal expression, and therefore personal/political beliefs.
To say games should be completely devoid of politics is pathetically naive.
Not to mention that art in general is intimately tied to personal expression, and therefore personal/political beliefs.
To say games should be completely devoid of politics is pathetically naive.
Sort've like your doing RIGHT.NOW. Completely ignoring that he has no issues with politics in actual video games. Only that he doesn't want companies themselves making political statements.
Tim Sweeney: Android is a fake open system, and iOS is worse
Tim Sweeney, CEO of Epic Games, called on the game industry to be more open and liberate it from the monopolistic practices of platform ownersventurebeat.com
Epic Games Boss Says All Politics Should Be Removed From Game Companies [Update] - IGN
Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney has argued to keep politics out of gaming altogether and keep game companies "neutral" avenues where developers can sell games.www.ign.com
Thats also the same guy, that, after Alex Jones was banned from Twitter, that companies should not decide such things (something like that).
How the fuck do you say 'Lootboxes are gambling' and 'no politics in my games >:c' back to back. What kind of doublethink
But that's a completely different context. I think there's a big difference between discussing contemporary/governmental politics and policies and the idea of every action being somehow political. We can have a discussion about the former, and agree or disagree; but to dismiss that discussion from the position of the latter seems disingenuous at best. If you dilute the definition of politics in this context to the degree that literally any action can relate to it, then it loses all meaning. I sincerely doubt that's the position being argued, and therefore, I find the dismissal to be inadequate. My two cents.
A PR department does way more than "check out this trailer, yo".
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He wants regulation of lootboxes but no politics? Huh?! So he's just picking and choosing what sort of politics then.
Yeah Im sure the paraphrasing in the article is just the website making it up and that he didn't say that at all. Or maybe he did say that exact same thing the article said he did and theres not point in quoting every single word he said in the article
Another point to bear in mind is that specific example he used is an issue regarding the treatment of homosexuality as a disease. This isn't a conflict behind, say, how to keep the economy strong. It's a conflict around the very existence of a minority group. You can't avoid that; either you're sweeping minorities under the rug or you acknowledge their existence.
I mean this is not surprising from someone who also argued against Twitter over the banning of Alex Jones. He is clearly a libertarian (as many of the big people in the scene where he started in the industry), as that kind of work attracted a ton of people with that ideology. In the end, you should never trust most rich people and even less rich videogame developers from that era.
Look back at my posts. Where did I ignore or state anything about his intentions, issues or opinions? I asked your opinion about how to market a game that's entire premise is one of the most polarizing topics in the West in the last 25 years and you answered with the most simplistic view of marketing that I can't possibly take it seriously.
When you choose to only represent his opinions the way you're doing, while ignoring what else he said, say about Chik Fil A, you are being misleading on purpose.
He may have said that but he also said politics that cause people to avoid a restaurant dont belong in games so he seems to be contridicting himself.
I never played a game that had politics in it that got in my way of my enjoyment of said game, but as a principle if someone makes a game with really shitty politics I think consumers shouldn't be mislead by marketing.
When did I say that? I think I said that a direct quote probably trumps a paraphrase.
So what you're saying is...I should read the source.
Tim had to know regardless of how he meant it this was like setting off a bomb.
