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Tim Miller (Terminator: Dark Fate) discusses why he hated Terminator 2's thumbs-up scene
- Thread starter Kalmakov
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I feel like this isn't an issue without knowledge of that scene? The movie works perfectly fine as is and I think actually strengths the bond between Jon and the Terminator knowing it didn't mostly just come down to flipping an empathy Switch
Well it's a learning switch which is a significant difference, but I agree it's not a big problem and we assume the terminator can learn anyway
The deleted scene is where it says he can't. I think.
This. I never had a clue that anyone found it corny. Maybe it is just nostalgia goggles for me....
Failed? Dark Fate is a great movie. I had a lot of fun with it. It's actually a worthy sequel to Terminator 2, unlike the last three.
Still works without this scene. And the Terminator is shown to learn and adapt before this switch scene as well iirc.
I don't know, it's a bit weird how he practically ends his sentence a split second after his face burns off. I always thought Terminators can't speak without their human skin, what with the lack of lips and facial muscles.
I like it. The scene definitely would have lacked something if it was just the T-800 descending into the molten steel.
Things like the thumbs up, and the T800's Spanish catchphrases kill the tone of the movie. Scenes like those and the, "why do you cry" nonsense are why preferring the first movie is such a no brainer for me.
The first movie is so lean and the tone is perfection. Just rewatched both and it's a far better film than T2.
It's performing twice as bad as Genesys in Europe.
Not exactly a good sign.
Oh, I wasn't arguing its performance.
But I think it's silly to act like he can't give an honest opinion on a scene from T2 because his film isn't doing well. There's nothing inherently wrong with what he said.
The thumbs-up is perfectly fine.
Bad to the Bone playing is goofy and should have never made it in the final movie.
Bad to the Bone playing is goofy and should have never made it in the final movie.
He just wanted to cheer up John, he even literally said that he knew why John was crying.
It made perfect sense.
It made perfect sense.
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T1>T2
Alien>Aliens
All your sequels are worser, Cameron.
I very much agree. So glad that scene didn't make it into a movie.
Bad to the Bone is why there's clearly no truth in the oft-repeated claim that the orientation of the two Terminators was supposed to be a mystery until the mall shoot-out, and was spoiled by an overzealous marketing department. Cameron either never intended for it to be ambiguous, or he dropped the idea long before the film went out, hence the inclusion of said song.
Reminded me how fucking smart they were when shooting it:
Absolutely beautiful filmmaking
All of the people the t1000 mimics in this movie that interact with each other are twins.
No cg, compositing etc necessary.
Work smart not hard.
Jesus, Bad to the Bone is so fucking cringe inducing. People give the strip club intro from T3 shit, but it's no worse than that shit.
Wouldn't be the first time a comparatively decent film underperforms after being given the unenviable task of following a spate of poor offerings. Even a fantastic movie like Bumblebee suffered that fate.
Not on a first watch. It's was an amazing sleigh of hand scene. But it was bad thematically IMO.
No question. It's one of the greatest movies of all time, and almost certainly the best action / horror hybrid. There's no an ounce of fat on it, whereas you could probably chop a good 15 minutes from T2 and be left with a better film, although that's arguably an issue with everything James Cameron has directed post-1984.
I even prefer the more melancholy synth of the main theme.
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