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THQ Nordic voted 'Best Games Company' of Gamescom 2019
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All THQN had to do is to stop associate themselves with the people behind that dreadful AMA.
Them and the rest of the gaming industry decided to ignore this and gave their nazi and pedophile enablers a second chance.
Again, this is very disappointing but sadly expected.
While i generally agree with your ocassional posts i believe that in this instance they only learned how to get away with it.
Them and the rest of the gaming industry decided to ignore this and gave their nazi and pedophile enablers a second chance.
Again, this is very disappointing but sadly expected.
While i generally agree with your ocassional posts i believe that in this instance they only learned how to get away with it.
theres literally not a single good thing said anywhere on the entire planet about this forum. There are literally dedicated sites, youtube channels and twitter accounts whose sole reason is collecting and laughing at the stuff going on here. I mean, just now after the Ion Fury debacle, someone said to label resetera as a terorist organisation.
Otherwise, people dont even know this forum exists.
Can people please STFU in terms of relating this award for THQ to Germans all still being Nazis? I'm so over this. My country has learned from its past and while there are some right-wing groups here as well, those are everywhere, and usually far stronger politically in other places. We have not forgotten the past and drawn our conclusions, but it's fair to say we are not these murderers anymore. I am extremely disappointed to read something like this on ERA. Thank you and welcome to my ignore list to a certain poster.
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I'm well aware we are under scrutiny in the old forum in example. I'm well aware there are Youtubers who ridicule Era. But the problem isn't Era, when those are communities that are vocally against inclusion, diversity and common decency. Era has the reputation of being "SJW". That's not a bad thing.
I know and I know what kind of people those are. Can you say labeling resetera as a terrorist organisation because of a thread calling out transphobia and homophobic language is in any way reasonable?
I agree with most of your points here, but for me, even singling out Chick-Fil-A as an example of evil corporate culture shows how relative the practice of corporate accountability can be. The CEO has apologized and stopped giving money to the organizations that most upset people. Now I believe they still give money to Salvation Army and some other orgs that people find problematic and that's fine, my point isn't to defend Chick-Fil-A. My point is, how do we put them on a spectrum with companies like Nestle, and whatever Blackwater is calling itself today? It's difficult to objectively rank companies by how evil their corporate culture is for any number of reasons, not the least of which is how sensitive a person is to the specific topic at hand.
Different people are going to be different levels of upset based on their own perspectives and awareness, and I'm sympathetic to that, but I think in most cases people project their anger at corporations as a surrogate for meaningful political action. Probably because our society has been so thoroughly indoctrinated by capitalist thought that "vote with your wallet" is the most viable recourse for a lot of disenfranchised people.
User Banned (3 Days) : Thread Derailing, Mod Whining, and Metacommentary
I agree with you, I pick and choose spots to post these days on here for fear of being banned or ganged up on. It's like treading on thin ice here posting. This site is very good to get up to date news, Reviews etc. But people will attack your grammar on here to diminish your points, and will label you something over the slightest disagreement and its allowed.
I come here to read up on gaming news with a busy work schedule for the most part but that's about it. It's not a welcoming community in the least.
I was not tone policing whatsoever, I would never do such a thing.
I was saying that a statement like "something ironic about a nazi supporting company winning an award in Germany." is unacceptable, it's implying that the only reason this company won an award in Germany is because in the posters opinion, the company as a whole supports Nazis.
I don't think me finding that unacceptable is tone policing at all, I am just trying to stop those sort of bigoted generalisations about individuals who, firstly had nothing to do with the individuals who posted in that AMA and secondly, about German people in general supporting Nazism which is, imo, completely unfair and unjustified.
Some people who play games are oppressed minorities though, that's the point, when you use a term like "gamers" to describe a group in a derogatory way you are including every person who plays videogames, most people aren't going to be aware of how some people use "gamer" as a hateful ideology, like I said, even a site like Twitter, which is much larger than a gaming forum, isn't a representation of the wider public opinion.
I myself am a minority and I complete agree with everything you are saying about individuals in gaming communities and even some people who represent these communities, I have experienced this first hand myself.
But I also understand that there are many gamers who stand against this, such as the people on this very forum and the people who I play games with and let's face it, the vast majority of people who play games outside of these toxic communities, so I believe that using "gamer" as a generalisation is not helpful when discussing issues like this, it's better to focus on the individuals who are participating in the toxicity rather than lumping them all under one category because some people use the word "gamer" in an ideological sense to spew hateful rhetoric.
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Fully agree. Almost never post if I think it's a divisive opinion, not worth it.
This attitude of (in)directly blaming anyone who does not unconditionally join your crusade to being part of everything that's wrong according to you surely is not helping me to sympathize with your point of view.
And neither do these. I can't see anyone sane really thinking that spouting off such stuff will be a help for your cause, but what do I know...
User Banned (1 Month): Dismissing Concerns of Bigotry and Antagonizing Other Users Over Multiple Posts; Prior Severe Ban for Dismissing Concerns Surrounding Representation
I mean, it isn't good either. "SJW' has been used as a pejorative term for what feels like years now. And for some good reason. It really feels like a pretty sizeable group here are only doing it for personal validation rather than "the greater good", given how absurd some takes are.
Thanks... I don't look foward to that. Sony and Nintendo still have the crown in my opinion.... by a large margin..
Oh fuck off. It's possible to not agree with what THQ Nordic did but then not want to boycott a company because of the thousands of people that are involved with their games.
I had no idea, thanks for the heads up
Exactly i rarely post here anymore it just not worth it
It's not blaming people without good cause, this is literally how hate becomes normalized.
Normal, every day folk not standing up to it often enough.
We need to fight it, actively. Not just put our heads down.
This is not attacking individuals, this is reality.
Where is the lie tho?
People and gamers obviously do no give a fuck so fuck them :)
It doesn't imply that at all. It isn't the wisest comment but all it says is that there's some irony that a company that KNOWINGLY gave a huge signalboost to a hive of pedo-Nazis is getting a reward in German gameshow (basically, "funny how the gamer community doesn't give a fuck"), a country that cracks down on Nazis/Nazi propaganda fairly hard. That doesn't imply anything about everyone at THQ being nazi supporters or that the poster thinks all Germans are Nazis (which is what you said in your first post).
And, again, "gamers" aren't some oppressed minority. "Gamers are trash" isn't some harmful generalization, it speaks volumes of the current state of the hobby where women, POC, gay & transgender people & such have to abandon it (or at least not participate as freely & openly as they'd like) because they face so much toxicity & harassment from (mostly male) gamers.
By the way, I can't believe this thread hasn't been locked by now, given the 1st page graveyard.
You first mate.
fucking lol at dumbasses saying "you shouldn't boycott a company cause of what they do".
Yes I fucking can, that is what capitalism says all the time "VotE WItH yOuR WaLLet".
Correct, it's been used as a pejorative. But it's bit weird that asking for more diversity, calling out harmful and offensive stereotypes etc. is considered something to mock, no? I definitely can acknowledge that actually discussing these things can be rather messy here sometimes. In example that comment about Germany in this thread, the taunting in the first page doesn't help either. But atleast these issues get brought up. This forum has a lot of people who actually care and also people who are actually affected. There can be some unreasonable takes here on occasion, but those are still essentially harmless.
It's clearly you who is blind to the consequences to the kind of inaction you promote, and to how pandering to Nazi pedos in the way that THQ did in the AMA did get them a rapid alt-right/Nazi defense force that will be a negative to any kind of constructive discourse in the future, if/when controversies arise.
Didn't the CEO of the company say it was being dealt with internally and that policies and processes would change?
The guy who put it on, at least AFAIK, doesn't have a history of supporting the shitty things 8chan stood for. What measures need to take place here for the angry mob to move on?
User banned (3 days): trolling and antagonistic behaviour, personal attacks against other members over several posts in the thread
Well then, good luck with your fight, all I will say is you definitely have lost any goodwill from me by now, so job well done, I suppose. Not that you care - "constructive discourse", my ass.
Much as I dislike the shitheads on the bad side, you're not a single bit better and clearly in some cases proud of that as well.
I'll better go vent my aggressions in Wreckfest then.
Much as I dislike the shitheads on the bad side, you're not a single bit better and clearly in some cases proud of that as well.
I'll better go vent my aggressions in Wreckfest then.
The problem is the absurdity of some examples, like the one you mentioned, which are what sticks out the most. Yes, there's a lot of good people here, but part of the bad rep is also due to how moderation enforces their way of thinking without clear and unbiased rules. This thread's first page is a prime example.
Despite all the posts in here claiming that everyone here knows about the controversy and there's no point in bringing it up in every thread,
there's still posters going with the "It was just 2 guys" argument
there's still posters going with the "It was just 2 guys" argument
Where did I say you can't boycott them? You're well within you right to. Barely seen anyone in this thread saying you shouldn't boycott them.
You shouldn't be able to call people trash because they don't fall in line with you though.
One of the guys is on the fucking board.
You can bet your ass I'd skip that shit if someone on the damn board showed such bad judgment.
Haha as usual you don't have an actual response. Just result to name calling.
Carry on then
I neither attacked anyone, nor demonized. I only stated what's happening in this thread. If people choose to support a publisher that ever so clearly catered to 8chan and that awfulness, by all means do it. I retain my right to call it out if I don't agree with it.
I'll give you that you're not resorting to insults like others on your side, but you still clearly convey the strict "fall in line with me/us or you are the enemy" attitude. I don't see how that is supposed to improve anything.
You may be right my friend, I truly believe if nothing has changed it will only be a matter of time before something like this happens again and if it does it will represent a pattern of behaviour in which case serious reprecussions should be the result.
If I never shower, I stink.
It doesn't matter how badly I want to smell good. It doesn't matter how I kick or scream that I don't smell at all. Until I recognize that not cleaning myself causes me to stink, and until I take the measures necessary to stop me from stinking, I'm going to stink.
That isn't me being made into a victim by anyone. That's me being a human being that lives in the real world.
It doesn't matter how badly I want to smell good. It doesn't matter how I kick or scream that I don't smell at all. Until I recognize that not cleaning myself causes me to stink, and until I take the measures necessary to stop me from stinking, I'm going to stink.
That isn't me being made into a victim by anyone. That's me being a human being that lives in the real world.
No I don't convey that in the slightest.
The reality is that we have allowed hate to rise and become normalized, all of us. So we all need to take more action, it's too important not to.
Never called anyone my enemy, don't put words into my mouth please.
I really hope this thread gets locked. This was supposed to be a discussion about the award, not another THQ Nordic argument thread.
To be honest, I'm quite surprised the thread is still open.
"I just want to talk about video games"
Plenty of other places online you can so this. This forum was literally built on principles that are against the hate THQ supported.
Consistency here is to be expected.
Go make a discord for no politics video game talk if you want. Plenty of people here will join you.
Discussing about THQ and the AMA is perfectly fine since it does relate to this award imo. Whats not fine is that a lot of the "arguments" are not arguments but name calling ( "you are trash if you still buy THQ games" , "you are trash if you boycot them because the developers aren't to blame") and when a thread is more than 50 % just name calling, maybe it needs to close.
Oh, you think that anyone that is against people enabling nazis and pedophiles is part of an angry mob because the enablers have no known history of supporting this kind of idiocy?
It wasn't that big of a deal normalizing 8chaners after all, it's the internet outrage all over again. /s
They had one decent thing to do and they chose to respond with the "hide it under the rug" process and policy, as it seems.
The thread's first page is full of immature posts, it's reveling in the controversy around THQ. I'm sure you also see how it doesn't atleast improve the discussion. There's definitely strict moderation and I personally like it, not that I would agree with every decision they make. But for me it makes this site one of the best places for gaming news and discussion (if not the best). I'm interested to read and talk about politics in games in example, here I can do it without people shouting about "SJW:s" and "outrage culture" to my ear.
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Like, what kind of opinions do you hold that you are afraid to post them? The only "dogpiling" I see are the kind that are either followed by clear trolling/low-effort posts, straight up misogyny, racism, homophobia or transphobia, or dismissal of other people's concerns (i.e. going to the "Why women criticize sexualized female character designs" thread with a "why do you people care so much, this is such a dumb thing to be worried about" post). All-in-ll ResetEra is filled with a whole plethora of different opinions that are discussed fairly calmly all around the board (with maybe some overboards here and there but the worst kind usually gets bans (when mods notice/are notified) if it goes beyond argumenting the points and turns personal)
Something like "Uncharted 4 is unplayable trash with shit graphics" will get you a lot of answers, some of them perhaps a bit harsh. "I didn't really enjoy Uncharted 4 because of X, Y & Z" generally doesn't, at least not the kind where people will attack you. You people always say this but, like, outside of some fanboyish behaviour (that is still pretty tame compared to the doxxing/death threats you can get on other platforms), you either have to post in a very provocative way or hold some very shitty views or bring up your unpopular views in a shitty way to get ganged up on. Like, I crap on 2001: A Space Odyssey all the time, one of the holy grails of movie buffs, and I don't feel particularly dogpiled on even when there are sometimes quite a few people who pick up on that.
Besides, what is so horrible in getting quoted by some people?
So it isn't good to be inclusive, is that what I should take from your comment? Since SJW "tag" stems from just being inclusive and calling out misstreatments towards minority groups and other groups keen to discrimination.
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