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SirNinja

One Winged Slayer
Member
Obviously, holding an AMA on 8chan was dangerously stupid and it's a good enough reason to be completely turned off by them. Not wanting to buy THQ Nordic games because they advertised themselves on 8chan is an understandable position to take and nobody's complaining about that. But like any other self-boycotts it's also your prerogative.

Mine, and I think everybody else's big concern was the potential that a major game company like THQN would normalize 8chan and the rhetoric they use. That the only audience that THQN would now want/allow is shitheads on 8chan and having a big game company on their side isn't a good thing. And that just didn't happen. Eventually 8chan would garner its own massive backlash through mainstream coverage due to tragic event completely disconnected from THQN. The site was shut down, the alt-right lost a major platform, and everybody not a nazi hates 8chan now. In that regard the threat of 8chan normalizing nazism is over, not that it's still not a threat but it's still a major loss for them. Hell, THQN washed their hands basically right away and they haven't done anything similar before or after since. That's why it's easy to move on from. Not is 8chan and what it represents gone, but THQN hasn't shown any consistent right-wing or alt-right behavior before or after since. So it comes across less of them being shitty alt-right organization and more of a stupid marketing stunt done out of apathy by the management. It doesn't make it less wrong, but does make it easy to move on from. And where you stand on this is going to depend on where how ready you are to move on. Some never will which is fine, but this also didn't make a dent in the greater discourse around 8chan and internet nazism so it's easy not to care about it.

Ultimately though I think the approach we're taking with THQN is starting to get increasingly unnecessary. This forum talks about shitty companies all the time. Chick Fil A, unlike THQN, consistently has shitty values and does active harm to marginalized groups. Yet, that doesn't make anywhere near as much noise as this. Nintendo literally caved to Gamergate by firing an employee who was a target of theirs. Where's there copypasta telling them they were complicit in helping Gamergate? Those are whataboutisms sure but isn't "why do you care about EGS more?" and "Disney wouldn't have done this" also whataboutisms?

Not wanting to personally support THQN because of 8chan? Absolutely understandable. Discussing fighting nazis pedophiles online? Awesome I love doing that too. But going into some unrelated thread otherwise, and posting literally the exact same thing long after the point of relevance? I think you're better off discussing fighting internet Nazism elsewhere because it's not going to make much of a difference on top of ruining people's excitement for whatever remake is coming out.
Agreed 1,000%. Thank you for putting this into words better than I could.
 

Sincerest

Member
Jan 22, 2018
606
Yikes. Some folks have a twitching report button finger I gather. Kind of has a chilling effect on discussion if people dont want to call out the posters who have a "oh boy this gon b good" mindset and would rather smash that report button to silence any potential discussion altogether.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

People here are trying to make this site into a box that bounces your voice back at you. Open discussion should be allowed on this topic. Everything about what happened and what's happening is kind of a big deal.
 

nDesh

The Three Eyed Raven
Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,072
While you are right that many are such shitty people, people at mainstream game sites like Giant Bomb,Game Informer, IGN etc. are starting to roll their eyes and avoid talking about ResetEra sometimes in their podcasts recently.

I remember when Era was brought up at E3 and Jeff Gerstmanns reaction wasnt positive.
I mean, yeah, no one likes Era outside of Era, and even Era doesn't like Era that much.
 

MYeager

Member
Oct 30, 2017
820
Did they publicly apologize after the 8chan fiasco? Fuck them if not

They did, the CEO made a public apology on behalf of the company.

It rang hollow a bit since they said they would never endorse such content, and yet had repeated warnings and interacted and responded to homophobic and loli content. Additionally in the apology he said they investigated themselves and made changes, only not what those changes were or what disciplinary actions took place.

Which is their prerogative as a company to not reveal those details, but personally I do not think that is a sufficient response. Other people feel differently and that's okay too.

I do not feel it is thread jacking to bring it up still because even in this thread people aren't aware and it is worthy of being pointed out for those that may not know and be informed before supporting this publisher.
 
Jun 26, 2018
3,829
Considering how the games media almost refused to cover the story about THQ Nordic, I can't say I'm surprised. Most people attending Gamescom probably has no idea, including whatever jury picked the winners.
 

Forsaken82

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,926
The first couple pages is a graveyard. Yikes. Some folks have a twitching report button finger I gather. Kind of has a chilling effect on discussion if people dont want to call out the posters who have a "oh boy this gon b good" mindset and would rather smash that report button to silence any potential discussion altogether.

But on topic: this is bizarre. How did they beat out other european studios? Is the state of gaming in that region so limited that this company could win with such a lack of genre defining content? Also did they ever formally apologize for their involvement with 8ch and make concrete efforts to never engage in that community or any other communities like it again? It really does not do the medium any favors when companies are willing to engage with people who fulfill the stereotype of game fans as emotionally stunted irrational individuals who fiercely gatekeep instead of trying to legitimize the medium as art.

One person banned on the first page posted "ignore my post, here for the replies" Another was an image of them clicking the WATCH option. What type of discussion do you think either person was going to be contributing to?
 

ColonelForbin

Member
Oct 28, 2017
601
Excuse me?

Don't forget about all the things you're supporting when you consider any THQ Nordic games: THQ Nordic holding an AMA on... 8chan (UP: website linked to multiple mass shootings) READ THREADMARKS

Here's a helpful summary post of all the events for the uninitiated.

Mod statement: "To address a few recurring points: We will not be banning games published by THQ Nordic and subsidiaries like Deep Silver. You are instead welcome to continue raising the issue in threads relevant to the publisher and its games."

If you use Steam and want to ignore all games that THQ Nordic publishes, go to their publisher page while you're logged in, then click on the little gear icon below where it says "Beta" and choose "Ignore this creator."
_______________________________________________________________

These games are being published by THQ Nordic. For those who may not be aware or who may have forgotten, THQ Nordic had a marketing effort where it intended to gain attention using a website that is known primarily for its support of child pornography, as well as for support of Neo-Nazism, doxxing, and other extremely damaging behaviors.

THQ Nordic's provided no response to this fiasco except for an apology claiming they did not do enough research. As the website is unlisted by Google, they had spoken to the board owner about removing "nasty stuff", and content was viewable both before and during the campaign, this claim is beyond belief. The individuals responsible are known not to be rogue PR interns, but go up to THQ Nordic's board. THQ Nordic has not dealt with the individuals responsible, and they released an embarrassingly bad "apology" that addressed nothing.

Consider that by supporting their games, you are supporting a publisher that is complicit with child pornography.
Well said and great reminder. I won't be buying any THQ Nordic games. Don't care how many awards they win.

Yes, there is a path to forgiveness. It involves a sincere apology and the people involved in the decision to do their AMA on 8chan removed from their PR department. Probably should be removed from the company. I fear the taint is probably pretty deep for something like that to be allowed. Just imagine blizzard doing something like that. Yikes!!!
 

TheIdiot

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,729
I hate this gif
I keep watching it like an idiot, hoping it will finally crash

Here's the version of the gif where it does crash

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BLOODED_hands

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,937
Excuse me?

Don't forget about all the things you're supporting when you consider any THQ Nordic games: THQ Nordic holding an AMA on... 8chan (UP: website linked to multiple mass shootings) READ THREADMARKS

Here's a helpful summary post of all the events for the uninitiated.

Mod statement: "To address a few recurring points: We will not be banning games published by THQ Nordic and subsidiaries like Deep Silver. You are instead welcome to continue raising the issue in threads relevant to the publisher and its games."

If you use Steam and want to ignore all games that THQ Nordic publishes, go to their publisher page while you're logged in, then click on the little gear icon below where it says "Beta" and choose "Ignore this creator."
_______________________________________________________________

These games are being published by THQ Nordic. For those who may not be aware or who may have forgotten, THQ Nordic had a marketing effort where it intended to gain attention using a website that is known primarily for its support of child pornography, as well as for support of Neo-Nazism, doxxing, and other extremely damaging behaviors.

THQ Nordic's provided no response to this fiasco except for an apology claiming they did not do enough research. As the website is unlisted by Google, they had spoken to the board owner about removing "nasty stuff", and content was viewable both before and during the campaign, this claim is beyond belief. The individuals responsible are known not to be rogue PR interns, but go up to THQ Nordic's board. THQ Nordic has not dealt with the individuals responsible, and they released an embarrassingly bad "apology" that addressed nothing.

Consider that by supporting their games, you are supporting a publisher that is complicit with child pornography.

Just wanted to thank you for the work you're doing. Keep it up 👍
 

Trisc

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,488
I mean, yeah, no one likes Era outside of Era, and even Era doesn't like Era that much.
I stick around because the mods don't let folks in this place spread racist, misogynistic, and queerphobic rhetoric. That kind of attention from the mod team is, IMO, really important. For as much as I roll my eyes at the seemingly endless negativity that crops up on the site, there are good communities and good folks I've met here, and I never feel unsafe or unwanted when I play games with other Era folks.
 
Oct 27, 2017
683
User Banned (5 Days): Backseat Moderation
One person banned on the first page posted "ignore my post, here for the replies" Another was an image of them clicking the WATCH option. What type of discussion do you think either person was going to be contributing to?
I dont want to derail the thread, but banning their ability to express *anything* doesnt seem like a tenable solution. At worst the posts could be ignored and at best they could be engaged by other posters who can bring them back to topic. Era has a problem with allowing people to engage in discussion or regulate themselves, this limits the growth of the community and the dimensions of discussion and leading to understanding. Those posters could be trying to be funny(which should be allowed since not every topic needs to be 100% serious and discussed with zero humor) but they are also valuable comments in that they are speaking sarcastically about how the community risks becoming an echo chamber where everyone just finds something to be angry at and it becomes a competition to see who can get angrier.

Posters should be made accountable for their posts, and this can be done by other members of the community instead of through mods swooping in and just banning that person altogether. We risk making bans into "punish this thing I dont like" rather than "this person is voicing genuinely harmful opinions with nothing to back them up and shouldn't be rewarded with a platform after refusing to engage in reasonable arguments that other people provided in response to that person" if we bypass that altogether and just ban the person, we shrink the community and any possible takes that those posters could've had once they got their jokes out of the way, or god forbid those snarky comments could've made people laugh which we need more of in this awful world.

To return things back on topic: I think this whole situation strengthens the argument for game studio regulatory bodies. There should be a standard on where you can and cannot advertise in and there should be an accountability mechanism. Developers shouldn't just have fan pressure, they should be fined or have some sort of regulation to prevent dangerous people using gaming to spread their rhetoric. Game companies should be punished for boosting dangerous communities. They should show evidence of having done research before advertising or at the very least make substantial efforts to make up for their slip ups.
 

Deleted member 10737

User requested account closure
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Oct 27, 2017
49,774
I think we're long past the point where anybody needs informing about what THQ did.

Obviously, holding an AMA on 8chan was dangerously stupid and it's a good enough reason to be completely turned off by them. Not wanting to buy THQ Nordic games because they advertised themselves on 8chan is an understandable position to take and nobody's complaining about that. But like any other self-boycotts it's also your prerogative.

Mine, and I think everybody else's big concern was the potential that a major game company like THQN would normalize 8chan and the rhetoric they use. That the only audience that THQN would now want/allow is shitheads on 8chan and having a big game company on their side isn't a good thing. And that just didn't happen. Eventually 8chan would garner its own massive backlash through mainstream coverage due to tragic event completely disconnected from THQN. The site was shut down, the alt-right lost a major platform, and everybody not a nazi hates 8chan now. In that regard the threat of 8chan normalizing nazism is over, not that it's still not a threat but it's still a major loss for them. Hell, THQN washed their hands basically right away and they haven't done anything similar before or after since. That's why it's easy to move on from. Not is 8chan and what it represents gone, but THQN hasn't shown any consistent right-wing or alt-right behavior before or after since. So it comes across less of them being shitty alt-right organization and more of a stupid marketing stunt done out of apathy by the management. It doesn't make it less wrong, but does make it easy to move on from. And where you stand on this is going to depend on where how ready you are to move on. Some never will which is fine, but this also didn't make a dent in the greater discourse around 8chan and internet nazism so it's easy not to care about it.

Ultimately though I think the approach we're taking with THQN is starting to get increasingly unnecessary. This forum talks about shitty companies all the time. Chick Fil A, unlike THQN, consistently has shitty values and does active harm to marginalized groups. Yet, that doesn't make anywhere near as much noise as this. Nintendo literally caved to Gamergate by firing an employee who was a target of theirs. Where's there copypasta telling them they were complicit in helping Gamergate? Those are whataboutisms sure but isn't "why do you care about EGS more?" and "Disney wouldn't have done this" also whataboutisms?

Not wanting to personally support THQN because of 8chan? Absolutely understandable. Discussing fighting nazis pedophiles online? Awesome I love doing that too. But going into some unrelated thread otherwise, and posting literally the exact same thing long after the point of relevance? I think you're better off discussing fighting internet Nazism elsewhere because it's not going to make much of a difference on top of ruining people's excitement for whatever remake is coming out.
extremely well said. i have pretty much the exact same opinion on the matter but i'm not good enough with words to say it as well as you did.
 

Seafoam Gaming

One Winged Slayer
Member
Nov 3, 2017
2,692
Personally I still find it fucking stupid that they did the AMA at all and want nothing to do with their games because of it, at least not until they do something like 3D Realms and stand up and donate to anti-abuse/anti-hate causes and whatnot to atone for what they did. But the thing that makes even me realize that unfortunately people won't take this seriously outside of here is just some stuff I saw from the aftermath and onwards.

When it originally happened, a lot of my friends didn't even know it was a bad thing as they never heard of the website before. To them it was like "4Chan but edgy" so the creepier and vile implications weren't as obvious and thus they didn't take it seriously. Some of my friends outright called me paranoid because I pointed out how pretty freaking terrible THQ posting on that site was and it wasn't like they went on a much less offensive site like iFunny for meme purposes and called it a day. I think if it happened a few months later when more people learned about the awfulness of the site from other events, they would have as mad as I was since of the awareness and how the site's now shut down because of just how terrible it is.

It doesn't help that this site's reputation made some people in a discord I was in not even believe the AMA even happened as they didn't want to believe anyone who used this site, so they just thought it was overly exaggerated. Of course when news sites reported on it later a few of them did go "oh shit this is really bad", but when the half-hearted apology came out a while later almost all of them, friends and non-friends basically were like "OK they owned up, that's your first strike so I'm cool with it"

And that's the thing. To others the AMA was a first strike. Not another event in a long list of bad events and there wasn't any inside report that exposed any more bad info about the company or why they did it to begin with, (which I was hoping someone would talk to the press about so we know why the fuck they'd think nobody would be mad at them for it, but I guess they keep stuff tight lipped there unfortunately.) nor something that has been followed up on with something else that was equally terrible.

Thus since they've done absolutely everything they could to never mention or do anything close to that again, those people just forgot/dismissed it as no big deal. The fact that this website's the only major place I know of that speaks up about it still (Alongside some good people like Irman and Frank Cifaldi on twitter) is another sign of that, and honestly that's pretty sad as an abuse victim myself to see that incident acted like no big deal or like another meme. (Nothing that happened to me went online thank god, but I really feel pain thinking of anyone who did have that happen and had that shit end up on the vile site, which is why a post someone made a while ago in the first thread really resonated with me)

In fact, let's go back to the meme bit. You wanna know how many people on my feed were meming up the "Shoutouts to Mark" bit? More than I anticipated, and they pretty much used that as a reason to not take the situation seriously or think it was a big deal because "lol funny oopsie". Pretty darn annoying and I still see some people on Twitter use the AMA as a meme to this day. Along with that are the usual detractors who don't take stuff on this site seriously at all and have thus made things here a meme, such as literally everything ban-worthy that people posted on the first two pages of this very thread and the copypasta that has been in every thread related to THQ so far. (which even I find annoying, not gonna lie) Again, pretty sad and I think that along with the lack of any new updates as to why/how this happened is what led this to being buried. You bet that if a major news site broke the story about the behind the scenes of this AMA or something along those lines the general public would take this more seriously as it's no joke.

In the end though, THQN isn't some game developer who we can easily avoid or a small scale publisher, they're one of the biggest game companies in all of europe. They're also a huge publisher which means the awful people who did the AMA aren't the ones developing the games they actually release. Heck, if what Irman mentioned when this first came out is true, said developers were equally as pissed that their publisher did something so stupid, so it's not like every single employee at the company or their dev partners are in agreement with the policies of that website. It's just when THQ is as big as they are, you can't really split and do your own thing in protest... Which really sucks.

Black Forest Games made my favorite indie games of the mid 2010s with Giana Sisters and now that they're bought by THQ, it'll be a lot more sucky to try and support them, since I'm flipping a two-sided coin with half of each side corrupted, meaning that even if I buy whatever they cook up next I'll support the same publisher who thought an AMA was a good idea. Heck, as people in this thread have pointed out, they do have legitimately good quality games coming out in the next year, from developers with no involvement with this actual shitshow. ...But since their publisher is so bad, I can't really feel safe supporting them unless they're serious about not doing that again. Of course it would be easy if they'd just respond to people like Irman who've asked them dozens of times why they did that, but since they're continuing to ignore any press who ask questions on that I don't think the tone will change anytime soon. And thus, the public won't really be bothered either. Not because they agree with the website THQ had the AMA on (god no, at least most sane people), but because they either aren't aware of it or think that they've brushed it aside and have changed their ways.

TLDR: Unless a partner exposes the whole behind the scenes or unless they do something like this again, the general consumer base will assume that all's well and it was an honest mistake, even though it was clearly not. That's pretty much my final take on this and while I'll be avoiding games from them for the near future, (as much as I looked forward to Biomutant before this went down) I'm still not going to think every single dev they acquired are doing work for the devil or agree with the awful policies of that site, as I'm pretty positive nobody behind Darksiders and Spongebob think that AMA was the best thing in history. In fact, they probably were just as mad if not moreso than we are. I'll just hope that they actually crack down and take action instead of hoping for it to blow over, but I'm also not going to get angry at Best Buy for stocking their newest game.
 
Oct 29, 2017
1,662
It's a shame the idiots who did the stupid 8chan thing work for THQ but their developers, who had nothing to do with that, still deserve credit for the great games they are putting out, the reason why I'm still buying their games.
My sentiments exactly. I love the darksiders series, and I'll finally get to play destroy all humans and spongebob bikini bottom since I missed out on those on the ps2. Honestly, THQ is one of my favorite publishers right now. I won't condemn the entire company because of a few asshats.
 

Joeyro

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,757
I've never seen anyone talk about the 8chan fiasco out of Era, so this doesn't really surprise me.
 

boontobias

Avenger
Apr 14, 2018
9,539
Pretty much say this in every THQN thread, but I'm still waiting to see which of their upcoming games "Cease Your Faggotry" and "Hans Jew Hunter" reminded them of in the AMA
 

LebGuns

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,127
Are you fucking kidding me? Are people this fucking tone deaf or just don't give a shit to support THQ? I don't give a shit if they make good games, fuck supporting these 8chan loving fucks.
 

Mushirigo

Member
Jun 9, 2019
84
Sweden
So either you get companies doing crap like THQ Nordic, or AAA companies sucking out all teh fun of games because money. Game industry is fun atm.
 

LuisGarcia

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
3,478
I think we're long past the point where anybody needs informing about what THQ did.

Obviously, holding an AMA on 8chan was dangerously stupid and it's a good enough reason to be completely turned off by them. Not wanting to buy THQ Nordic games because they advertised themselves on 8chan is an understandable position to take and nobody's complaining about that. But like any other self-boycotts it's also your prerogative.

Mine, and I think everybody else's big concern was the potential that a major game company like THQN would normalize 8chan and the rhetoric they use. That the only audience that THQN would now want/allow is shitheads on 8chan and having a big game company on their side isn't a good thing. And that just didn't happen. Eventually 8chan would garner its own massive backlash through mainstream coverage due to tragic event completely disconnected from THQN. The site was shut down, the alt-right lost a major platform, and everybody not a nazi hates 8chan now. In that regard the threat of 8chan normalizing nazism is over, not that it's still not a threat but it's still a major loss for them. Hell, THQN washed their hands basically right away and they haven't done anything similar before or after since. That's why it's easy to move on from. Not is 8chan and what it represents gone, but THQN hasn't shown any consistent right-wing or alt-right behavior before or after since. So it comes across less of them being shitty alt-right organization and more of a stupid marketing stunt done out of apathy by the management. It doesn't make it less wrong, but does make it easy to move on from. And where you stand on this is going to depend on where how ready you are to move on. Some never will which is fine, but this also didn't make a dent in the greater discourse around 8chan and internet nazism so it's easy not to care about it.

Ultimately though I think the approach we're taking with THQN is starting to get increasingly unnecessary. This forum talks about shitty companies all the time. Chick Fil A, unlike THQN, consistently has shitty values and does active harm to marginalized groups. Yet, that doesn't make anywhere near as much noise as this. Nintendo literally caved to Gamergate by firing an employee who was a target of theirs. Where's there copypasta telling them they were complicit in helping Gamergate? Those are whataboutisms sure but isn't "why do you care about EGS more?" and "Disney wouldn't have done this" also whataboutisms?

Not wanting to personally support THQN because of 8chan? Absolutely understandable. Discussing fighting nazis pedophiles online? Awesome I love doing that too. But going into some unrelated thread otherwise, and posting literally the exact same thing long after the point of relevance? I think you're better off discussing fighting internet Nazism elsewhere because it's not going to make much of a difference on top of ruining people's excitement for whatever remake is coming out.

Could not agree with this more. Great post.
 

OldMuffin

Member
Nov 1, 2017
1,179
Makes sense since they're one of the bigger European publishers and this is a European show. Also they do have access to a lot of cult classic IPs, so nostalgia might be in play.
 

Mendrox

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
9,439
Are you fucking kidding me? Are people this fucking tone deaf or just don't give a shit to support THQ? I don't give a shit if they make good games, fuck supporting these 8chan loving fucks.

Uhm, I would wager to say that normal people that don't visit forums nowadays (except for Reddit if you could call that a forum) won't know anything about what happened here. So yeah. Having had a few talks at GC...it's not a topic at all.

Desperados 3 looks great btw
 

RoaringMdog

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,080
The Netherlands
Good for them. Looking at their upcoming titles i can definitely see why they would get this title. Got a ton of their stuff pre-ordered, i love how they're trying to bring old franchises back and i can't wait to see what else they're cooking up over there.
 

oliverandm

Member
Nov 13, 2017
1,177
Copenhagen, Denmark
The competition would have been fierce if a criteria had been "a lack of ethics". But it wasn't. Also wholeheartedly agree with Spyder_Monkey. So congratulations! They did have a good showing!
 

Sebalt

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,206
I think we're long past the point where anybody needs informing about what THQ did.

Obviously, holding an AMA on 8chan was dangerously stupid and it's a good enough reason to be completely turned off by them. Not wanting to buy THQ Nordic games because they advertised themselves on 8chan is an understandable position to take and nobody's complaining about that. But like any other self-boycotts it's also your prerogative.

Mine, and I think everybody else's big concern was the potential that a major game company like THQN would normalize 8chan and the rhetoric they use. That the only audience that THQN would now want/allow is shitheads on 8chan and having a big game company on their side isn't a good thing. And that just didn't happen. Eventually 8chan would garner its own massive backlash through mainstream coverage due to tragic event completely disconnected from THQN. The site was shut down, the alt-right lost a major platform, and everybody not a nazi hates 8chan now. In that regard the threat of 8chan normalizing nazism is over, not that it's still not a threat but it's still a major loss for them. Hell, THQN washed their hands basically right away and they haven't done anything similar before or after since. That's why it's easy to move on from. Not is 8chan and what it represents gone, but THQN hasn't shown any consistent right-wing or alt-right behavior before or after since. So it comes across less of them being shitty alt-right organization and more of a stupid marketing stunt done out of apathy by the management. It doesn't make it less wrong, but does make it easy to move on from. And where you stand on this is going to depend on where how ready you are to move on. Some never will which is fine, but this also didn't make a dent in the greater discourse around 8chan and internet nazism so it's easy not to care about it.

Ultimately though I think the approach we're taking with THQN is starting to get increasingly unnecessary. This forum talks about shitty companies all the time. Chick Fil A, unlike THQN, consistently has shitty values and does active harm to marginalized groups. Yet, that doesn't make anywhere near as much noise as this. Nintendo literally caved to Gamergate by firing an employee who was a target of theirs. Where's there copypasta telling them they were complicit in helping Gamergate? Those are whataboutisms sure but isn't "why do you care about EGS more?" and "Disney wouldn't have done this" also whataboutisms?

Not wanting to personally support THQN because of 8chan? Absolutely understandable. Discussing fighting nazis pedophiles online? Awesome I love doing that too. But going into some unrelated thread otherwise, and posting literally the exact same thing long after the point of relevance? I think you're better off discussing fighting internet Nazism elsewhere because it's not going to make much of a difference on top of ruining people's excitement for whatever remake is coming out.

This is really a great post, 100% agree.
 

ThreepQuest64

Avenger
Oct 29, 2017
5,735
Germany
I think we're long past the point where anybody needs informing about what THQ did.

Obviously, holding an AMA on 8chan was dangerously stupid and it's a good enough reason to be completely turned off by them. Not wanting to buy THQ Nordic games because they advertised themselves on 8chan is an understandable position to take and nobody's complaining about that. But like any other self-boycotts it's also your prerogative.

Mine, and I think everybody else's big concern was the potential that a major game company like THQN would normalize 8chan and the rhetoric they use. That the only audience that THQN would now want/allow is shitheads on 8chan and having a big game company on their side isn't a good thing. And that just didn't happen. Eventually 8chan would garner its own massive backlash through mainstream coverage due to tragic event completely disconnected from THQN. The site was shut down, the alt-right lost a major platform, and everybody not a nazi hates 8chan now. In that regard the threat of 8chan normalizing nazism is over, not that it's still not a threat but it's still a major loss for them. Hell, THQN washed their hands basically right away and they haven't done anything similar before or after since. That's why it's easy to move on from. Not is 8chan and what it represents gone, but THQN hasn't shown any consistent right-wing or alt-right behavior before or after since. So it comes across less of them being shitty alt-right organization and more of a stupid marketing stunt done out of apathy by the management. It doesn't make it less wrong, but does make it easy to move on from. And where you stand on this is going to depend on where how ready you are to move on. Some never will which is fine, but this also didn't make a dent in the greater discourse around 8chan and internet nazism so it's easy not to care about it.

Ultimately though I think the approach we're taking with THQN is starting to get increasingly unnecessary. This forum talks about shitty companies all the time. Chick Fil A, unlike THQN, consistently has shitty values and does active harm to marginalized groups. Yet, that doesn't make anywhere near as much noise as this. Nintendo literally caved to Gamergate by firing an employee who was a target of theirs. Where's there copypasta telling them they were complicit in helping Gamergate? Those are whataboutisms sure but isn't "why do you care about EGS more?" and "Disney wouldn't have done this" also whataboutisms?

Not wanting to personally support THQN because of 8chan? Absolutely understandable. Discussing fighting nazis pedophiles online? Awesome I love doing that too. But going into some unrelated thread otherwise, and posting literally the exact same thing long after the point of relevance? I think you're better off discussing fighting internet Nazism elsewhere because it's not going to make much of a difference on top of ruining people's excitement for whatever remake is coming out.
Well said. I agree with this.
 

Ushay

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Despite their dangerously stupid PR behaviour in the past, I still think in terms of pure gaming output, they are doing well.
Lets hope they make more of an effort to not seem insensitive to their audience in the future.
 

Sumio Mondo

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In a way, there's something ironic about a nazi supporting company winning an award in Germany.
 

Kewlmyc

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Oct 25, 2017
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Makes sense, as they had a lot of game to show off at the show.

It's cool if you want to boycott THQ Nordic for their stupid marketing stunt, and it's cool if you want to tell everyone that you're boycotting them. My only issue comes with villainizing anyone who is looking forward to one of their games. As if looking forward to a remake of Destroy All Humans or freaking Spongebob means that you support pedophilia or some other stupid nonsense people on this forum will say.
 

Arcus Felis

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I stand corrected, since I genuinely thought the gaming press did willfully ignore that event. Thus, I have been spreading misinformation, and for that I apologize.

I'm still disappointed in THQ Nordic and by the lack of actual consequences for their association with 8chan. I think their actions speak volumes about them (well, about the ones who organized and green-light this, at the very least).

At least this website is finally over (well, until they regroup on a new one, I have no illusions about that).
 
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