Isnt it because that multiplayer game which happened in saints row universe tanked?
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THQ Nordic voted 'Best Games Company' of Gamescom 2019
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Its not the same thing as Reddit in that sense. There are different boards on 8chan, but they're all rooted in toxic shit posting (at best).
You're just going to have to take our word for it or go and see if for yourself. Its a website which prides itself on not "censoring" anything, and as a result a lot of the people who use 8chan are there to say things they're not allowed to say on other sites. You can imagine what that might include.
That's also crazy, but seeing as GTA Online is such a beast, it makes sense. Saints Row was one of their biggest hits and they just benched it for a generation
Agents of Mayhem?
Yeah it might do, but it's still crazy to me they didn't put a Saints Row game out
AFAIK, THQN is a subsidiary of a privately held company. But more to the point, the folks who were involved were higher up the management foodchain. Regardless, I appreciate your post as it pertains to providing me perspective about EU labour laws.
Self proclaimed gamers who are the type to rail against "SJW" politics, diversity, blah blah are fucking scum. No other ways about that fact.
Insofar as 8-chan is concerned, it WAS only niche primarily due to being delisted by google for child porn sharing long before THQN participated. Subsequent to that, it became the focus of mainstream when terrorists started posting their manifestos on it. So NO, 8-chan is NOT niche.
I also read a theory that becauseSaints row allowed to you so many crazy things, it would be hard to be creative and make a new game with less features or new ones(you could really do so many things and had super powers, so some think a new Saints Row would look poor in comparison)
Ayyyy that first page graveyard ! That's harsh, but whatever.
I won't be mad at that vote, I hate 8chan and all the heinous shit they represent, but that AMA wasn't a decisions coming from all the studios that publisher bought. Ain't cancelling all these people just because of the mistakes of a handdful of stupid CM and executives.
I won't be mad at that vote, I hate 8chan and all the heinous shit they represent, but that AMA wasn't a decisions coming from all the studios that publisher bought. Ain't cancelling all these people just because of the mistakes of a handdful of stupid CM and executives.
i-Lo
Dude, I don't say you are generally wrong... But... I am a 40 year old German dude that might know a bit how shit works here....
All you concerns are legitimate.... But... Gamescom gets visited by like 400.000 people....
And belive me, I do know the general audience of that circle of hell... They don't know shit...
And BTW, getting terrorists involved is like 50 steps to far
Dude, I don't say you are generally wrong... But... I am a 40 year old German dude that might know a bit how shit works here....
All you concerns are legitimate.... But... Gamescom gets visited by like 400.000 people....
And belive me, I do know the general audience of that circle of hell... They don't know shit...
And BTW, getting terrorists involved is like 50 steps to far
Yeah I'm sure that was a factor.
I think I read Saints Row 4 was supposed to be DLC for 3, but they expanded it to it's own game to cut costs.
That's why they take place in the same city and obviously share a ton of assets
I guess they'll reboot the series and start again, which is a little disappointing
Current Alexa ranks for Resetera:
# 4,327 global
# 2,298 USA
Alexa ranks for 8chan listed on Wikipedia:
# 3,832 global (June 2019)
# 1,208 USA (March 2019)
8chan's more mainstream than Resetera, especially in America.
I am not talking about Germany specifically but rather the fact that in the english speaking world, 8-chan gained mainstream recognition when far-right wing white nationalist terrorists started posting their manifestos. It is a pretty well known fact.
Thank you for posting this.
Or it's a case of people moved on.
The 8chan shit blew up at the time, was trending on twitter and a lot of people were talking about it hence why THQ Nordic put out the apologies and statements they did but like anything else in news people react and then they move and don't care anymore. After the shit died down Era was like the only site to hold on to the whole 8chan shit and even then it's been less and less posters bringing it up in every thread.
Whatever consequence people want THQN to have at this point probably won't come because the vast majority simply don't care anymore. It's as simple as that.
Yeah cool, but Germany isn't the English speaking world... And it isn't a source of much of terrorism either.... You compare not knowing random convention visitors that vote for a video game company to white supramists
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It blew up.... But not on the mainstream... And mostly on English speaking streamings on the net....
Guy's all I am saying is the general German video game nerd that voted at this poll doesn't know shit about what evil things that thq did... That's all... I don't defend it... I explain why they did win this
Or an Elder Scrolls game.
I think we reached the point where the big AAA games take basically a full generation to develop. Unless there's one studio per franchise on those, they're gonna keep missing gens.
Nah they don't, just look at CoD or Assassin's Creed, we've seen 5-7 of them this gen alone
It's more that everyone wants to make a service game with recurrent user spending
GTA Online has that so they have no incentive to make a new GTA yet, or story DLC, because they make more money doing the service side of things
Elder Scrolls will be a big job though as they'll probably need to move to a modern engine, but they have tried to push Fallout into the servicesphere with 76
I mean, he's not wrong. Everyone knows about it and all the copypasting does no good other than derailing all threads related to THQN. At this point mods should put up or shut up, either ban all THQN discussion or start banning for thread derailment.
Err...
While Germany is not an english speaking country, per se, numerous residents are versed in that language and I can't believe that in the age of internet that at least some would not know of 8-chan. Regardless, I doubt very much that most people (in Germany) know about THQN's fuckery as it happened prior to the first manifesto, written by NZ mass murdering terrorist, being published on the site.
Point is, communication on this site, which hosts members from all around the world, happens mostly in english. To that end, this is about raising awareness of THQN's lies and signal boosting a de-listed child porn sharing, racist, misogynistic, homo- and trans-phobic trash site. Gamescom, from what I understand, was mostly presented in English by people who knew full well what THQN had done (like Keighley).
And as for gaming culture, I stand by what I said before. Gaming culture is toxic trash. From east asian countries to america, that badge of disdain signifies mostly bigotry and hate for social progress and reform.
This thread was derailed twice due to people nitpicking uses of certain words. We really need to get our priorities straight.
Your mistake i-Lo is comparing the general German audience to the once posting on the international internet.... Most Germans never ever go outside of the German internet bubble.... Like Japanese... Or... Heh. Most Americans
You would be astounded how Internet illiterate most people are here
And yes, some know...but not the majority of400. 000 people going to a a fucking mainstream video-game convention.... Is that so hard to grasp....
I don't know a single person in real life that knows ANYTHING about this thq BS, and no joke, some of them are fucking professors at a university...
My whole point as I already said is that the mainstream here's knows shit about this whole episode cause it happened exclusively on the English internet....
You would be astounded how Internet illiterate most people are here
And yes, some know...but not the majority of400. 000 people going to a a fucking mainstream video-game convention.... Is that so hard to grasp....
I don't know a single person in real life that knows ANYTHING about this thq BS, and no joke, some of them are fucking professors at a university...
My whole point as I already said is that the mainstream here's knows shit about this whole episode cause it happened exclusively on the English internet....
This is true enough. However, I feel like when it comes to public apologies such as this, most people are just going to take the apology (empty as it may seem) and wait to see if they fuck up again before they decide to boycott or even really dwell on it.
Personally, I'll just buy their games used so that I don't have to think about the whole mess when I'm trying to play something.
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Okay, I think there is a miscommunication here. Let me ask:
1. What is the significance of the 400.000?
2. Are you saying not many Germans are aware that NZ shooter (or El Passo shooter) posted manifestos on a website?
I am not trying to conflate general public, or the large part that do not play video games with knowledge of what transpired between THQN and 8-chan. This entire thing has to do with the bubble that encompasses the game industry and its followers. Again, insofar as 8-chan and mainstream media is concerned, I am strictly talking about the terrorist posting their manifestos which made headlines in US and Canada.
And why are you talking about North American terrorism when talking about a general vote at a German video game convention?
The 400.000 I just mentioned to show how wide spread the audience is at gamescom, like, it's the everyday German gamer that doesn't know shit about what you are talking about
The 400.000 I just mentioned to show how wide spread the audience is at gamescom, like, it's the everyday German gamer that doesn't know shit about what you are talking about
And sadly no, most people here don't know shit about what you said. That's what I try to tell you for the last hour
Okay, so I see the disconnect now. So, according you, despite being part of Gamescom, the folks who voted are not in the know about what THQN did or 8-chan despite both being english speaking gaming press when it happened and the latter being in the english speaking mainstream news networks when an Australian (not North American) terrorist posted his manifesto on 8-chan before shooting up a mosque in New Zealand.
...right?
To add to this, because of the way that US gun culture is perceived in many European countries, few people give news about these mass shootings much thought. Most are resigned to the idea that the US is a country where that sort of thing just regularly happens, and all the different shootings tend to blend together. Not to mention the fact that many can't even be bothered to inform themselves about current social or political topics pertaining to their own country, let alone a foreign one.
I don't know how representative this is, but I downloaded the Süddeutsche Zeitung app so I could get some German practice, and I often get foreign stories from there a little before the domestic outlets (like news on Boris Johnson will come from there before BBC).
Did some quick googling and they have articles on 8chan too.
Did some quick googling and they have articles on 8chan too.
Thanks. Honestly, he much more consistent about this than I am right now, but I'll try to do what I can.
Well, it is late here too and so I shall hit the hay. Guess I shall pick this up later with you as I have serious reservations with your assessment.
Still, freut mich sie kennenzulernen
lets say, your a team of 30 devs, you worked your ass off, working 50+ hours a week, THQ picks up you game, your excited, you now working 60+ hours because your dreams bout to come true, then 2 idiots post on 8 chan, the dopes in charge won't fire them, but you still have a game, you and your team invested the last 3 years in, working crazy hours, and now the internet blacklisted your game, BC you had nothing to do with the OG idiots.
While i understand that the crushing majority of people that work and make decisions for THQN do not want to have any relation with Nazis and child pedophiles this award is a big disappointment in more ways than one.
It shows that there is a huge lack of empathy from a presumably large portion of gaming consumers.
The display of this lack of empathy here, of all places, by few fellow members is also sad but telling.
It makes possible for a few members of a company to royally fack up by associating with terrible human beings and then get away with it.
It proves that gaming journalism what mostly does is hype for the industry.
It solidifies the notion that "muh gaemz" are something far more important than understanding of the social issues and generally growing a spine.
Congrats Wingeforz for protecting your nazi enablers employees.
It shows that there is a huge lack of empathy from a presumably large portion of gaming consumers.
The display of this lack of empathy here, of all places, by few fellow members is also sad but telling.
It makes possible for a few members of a company to royally fack up by associating with terrible human beings and then get away with it.
It proves that gaming journalism what mostly does is hype for the industry.
It solidifies the notion that "muh gaemz" are something far more important than understanding of the social issues and generally growing a spine.
Congrats Wingeforz for protecting your nazi enablers employees.
Yeah, this is pretty much spot-on. I get why people are still upset about the 8chan thing, it was an incredibly dumb thing that never should've happened, but any further publicly visible corrective action from THQ is unlikely to come at best, and many other people have simply decided "fool me once" at this point and won't care as much unless THQ fuck up again. Bringing it up again and again is just gonna annoy the folks who have moved on, especially when other companies have done worse things and don't get nearly as much flak for it here.
Thing is, supporting developers who make good games takes precedence over doing a boycott because of the actions of a couple of idiots who had nothing to do with those games creatively, in my mind, I'm not gonna conflate buying THQ games as implicitly supporting nazis and/or pedophiles, things are not nearly that straightforward. It's not a hill worth dying on. Seriously, some people should either move on, or stop bringing the issue up at every opportunity, it's not change shit.
Not sure I'd have given them the award, but they have seemingly had an impressive output (I say "seemingly" because I haven't played anything of theirs). Particularly, I hear good things about Darksiders III. And then there are upcoming games like Biomutant... From just a library perspective, I can understand why they might get the award.
I agree with all of this.
It's not a general vote done by some of those 400k random attendees. The jury is manually selected from (mostly) german journalists, influencers and other ppl close to the Industry. You can even look up the names of everyone in that jury.
OK, that's fair, I honestly didn't knew that....
But I still think nobody should get a false image from all this
The devs behind Shadow Tactics are making it so I'm sure it will be excellent.
The first couple pages is a graveyard. Yikes. Some folks have a twitching report button finger I gather. Kind of has a chilling effect on discussion if people dont want to call out the posters who have a "oh boy this gon b good" mindset and would rather smash that report button to silence any potential discussion altogether.
But on topic: this is bizarre. How did they beat out other european studios? Is the state of gaming in that region so limited that this company could win with such a lack of genre defining content? Also did they ever formally apologize for their involvement with 8ch and make concrete efforts to never engage in that community or any other communities like it again? It really does not do the medium any favors when companies are willing to engage with people who fulfill the stereotype of game fans as emotionally stunted irrational individuals who fiercely gatekeep instead of trying to legitimize the medium as art.
But on topic: this is bizarre. How did they beat out other european studios? Is the state of gaming in that region so limited that this company could win with such a lack of genre defining content? Also did they ever formally apologize for their involvement with 8ch and make concrete efforts to never engage in that community or any other communities like it again? It really does not do the medium any favors when companies are willing to engage with people who fulfill the stereotype of game fans as emotionally stunted irrational individuals who fiercely gatekeep instead of trying to legitimize the medium as art.
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