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L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,045
Stop this tiresome handwaving. You're not better than the rest of us just because you can boil a serious discussion down to this sort of nonsense, and you're certainly not doing anything to help the issue with it.
Okay. If you want to talk about if I'm doing no more to help the situation than "the rest of us", then you might want to bear in mind that I compiled the summary of the situation that was posted in the original thread (I believe other members sent me some suggestions for edits via PM, but I won't share their usernames without permission so I won't bother digging them out) and that I was also the one who offered to start the copypasta that @Diggeh is unfairly being blamed for (specifically to reduce the amount of effort needed to communicate about this issue. I don't include the summary until I was asked to because I felt it might seem like I was seeking attention). If it's poorly worded, that's on me; his only crime is wanting to get others to appreciate the issue.

Now, I'm not trying to grandstand here. All I did in either of those cases was sit around, read the thread, and type. It's not significantly different behaviour than posting in this thread. Yet what I've done is still quite a bit more than condensing the situation into one dismissive post as your narrative here is pushing.

"the rest of us" generally haven't done as much about this as Diggeh or I. I shouldn't dismiss the efforts of the reporters who investigated the issue, those who posted about the issue, or those who hold off on buying THQ Nordic games either. But in fact, a hell of a lot of people are putting in more effort to defend the fine reputation of gamers, or to try to ensure that they never have to remember the existence of their conscience. They're responding to a polite request to just consider who you're supporting with open hostility.

Those of us who are "certainly not doing anything to help the issue" can't do it on our own power. We need the assistance of others.

So putting this all together, when I say gamers don't care, I say this because I'm aware of how little effort it takes to be informative and help at least spread awareness, and because I resultingly know how precious few are making any effort whatsoever and how that compares to what those trying to shut those efforts down are putting in.

I also say it because I've followed the issue closely - as evidenced by me writing a summary on it - and so have a good sense of the thought behind THQ Nordic's response. Numerous times, individuals at the company passed the buck, even the ones who we knew to be involved insisting that it was simply on their subordinate. I know that they were aware beforehand and not only went ahead anyway, but scoffed at criticism while they were being bombarded with Nazi posters. I know that they literally had to scroll past a link advertising a board that sexualized underage boys in order to even post the AMA. I know that they tried to bribe at least one journalist by sending them unsolicited Steam keys. Which is why I say confidently that their final disaster response plan was simply to switch from an active coverup to silence and then let the apathy of the audience take over.

If I recall, even Imran noted something to the effect of that there isn't a great interest in articles about this sort of thing from his audience at Game Informer.

THQ Nordic relied on the fact that gamers don't care to protect them. If worked because gamers don't care. If that wasn't true, they wouldn't have gotten away so neatly with no sign that absolutely any concrete measure has actually been taken in response. And that's why I'm unsympathetic to the gamer victim complex that you and people much like you are spouting in these threads. That's why I'm unsympathetic to people who see that nothing is done and say "haven't they done enough?"
 

Weltall Zero

Game Developer
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
19,343
Madrid
Their actual crime from what I can tell is signal boosting a shitty pedo site. I'm not sure why you're comparing that with Nazism. It's not like this is happening in threads about the pedo site it's happening in every single THQ related thread, even the spongebob threads. It's doing more harm than good.

How out of the loop do you have to be to miss not one, not two, but three mass shootings linked directly to 8chan in mainstream news?
 

nillansan

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,520
Denmark
Maybe don't try to make a point by attacking a stereotype. If you're taking about toxicity in the gaming community, then say that. It's very simple and doesn't make you look like you're putting up a straw man to take the moral high ground.

Okay, sorry. I will be sure to be extremely explicit from here on out regardless of how well contextualized my posts are and I'll add the #notallgamers hashtag for good measure.

I'm very sympathetic to the concerns highlighted in this thread.

I appreciate that.

I think what you're doing is as harmful as the people who do nothing.

I really don't get this line of thinking.
 

Fularu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,609
It's kind of a shame when stability is being provided to developers by a corporation that knowingly signal boosted at best, a neo-nazi far right trash site and at worst platform for sharing child porn.

Also, if all the apology they ever gave was "Sorry we did not do research" instead of a genuine, "Yea we did for the lulz to attract attention and didn't think it through and it was huge fuck up on our part for which we are ashamed and hope never repeat such stupidity" then fuck them because, if it was any other publicly held company, where people are held accountable, the people responsible for this imbecility, would have been sacked.

No one here knows if internal disciplinary measures were taken or not. People just assume that since people weren't fired, then nothing was done. In HR you don't communicate how you treat internal matters outside of the company

But beyond that, labor laws in most western european countries are very very different from the US where you can fire someone for next to no reasons in many states. In France for example they would have to prove the fault was intentional or they will be taken to the cleaners in courts as it would be deemed a wrongful termination.

As it stands maybe THQ did something internally (this is almost certain since they had to publish an official statement regarding the events) or maybe they didn't, no one knows

But one thing is sure, they won't publicize whatever thing they did, up to firing said people after building a case for it
 

nillansan

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,520
Denmark
But maintstream news covered it. Maybe that doesn't count as much since they do broad coverage, so they would have only mentioned it like once. But Washington Post, Newsweek, Yahoo News, pretty big stuff.

Tried looking for something from CNN, but couldn't find anything, so maybe not big enough.

I was under the impression that the coverage was minimal and even if it was covered they would just gloss over most of the details. I know that Wingefors was on television downplaying the matter and the host didn't push the matter any further. Didn't help that they referred to 8Chan as a controversial site rather than actually explicitly stating that it's a site where pedophiles and nazis congregate.

Thanks for the information.
 

Kafkaswaffle

Member
Oct 27, 2017
708
I'm kind of surprised posters here haven't thrown more accountability on Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Valve, etc. They all did absolutely nothing and they profiting off of THQ while being in a position to hit them where it hurts the most if they want their games to be in their marketplaces. But this aspect never seems to enter the realm of discussion.
For some reason those users never reply to this.

It is neither helpful nor reasonable to transfer accountability over too many degrees of separation (six degrees of separation, yada yada). Of course, it is up to each individual to decide where to draw the line, but THQ Nordic GmbH and THQ Nordic AB (aka Embracer) as the directly involved parties should definitely be held accountable in my opinion.
 

Just_a_Mouse

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,030
Threads like this are a constant reminder of the hate seething just beneath the surface of gamer culture, even here we are not free from all the dog whistles and bad faith comments. Nobody should be giving THQN a pass for what they did.
 

Jashugan

Banned
Jan 25, 2018
2
User Banned (Permanent): Troll account
fuck it, first post here and i'm ready for this clusterfuck (just ban this account already lol)
 

Weltall Zero

Game Developer
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
19,343
Madrid
Well... I'm on your side, but you've pissed me with your nonsense "the problem is gamers are shit" rhetoric to the point that I'm done. Understand?

I don't care what you've said in other THQ threads. I shouldn't have to dig through your post history.

So in other words: you don't really give a shit about the discussion, let alone "elevating" it; you're just pissed that gamers were criticised, and want to shut that up.

But maybe I'm being unfair, and you do care a lot about this issue. Perhaps you simply solely blame THQ, and believe they alone should be the ones t-
It's time for Gothic 1/2 remaster. Or a full blown Gothic IV. I will be repeating this message in every THQN thread.
... oh.
 

Jebusman

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,087
Halifax, NS
Good grief. What a take. SMH.

You have made literally no effort in this thread to have any sort of a discussion other than attempt to tone police a sentiment that time and again proves to be true. We all know that you know exactly what they mean when people mention "Gamers", and your constant harping about it just makes it looks like you want to dismiss it without having to directly engage with it.

Have a bit of self reflection here and see what you're doing.
 

Captain of Outer Space

Come Sale Away With Me
Member
Oct 28, 2017
11,351
But maintstream news covered it. Maybe that doesn't count as much since they do broad coverage, so they would have only mentioned it like once. But Washington Post, Newsweek, Yahoo News, pretty big stuff.

Tried looking for something from CNN, but couldn't find anything, so maybe not big enough.
It was covered for about as much meat as there was to the story. The THQ CEO put out a half-hearted apology and basically refused to ever address the issue again and it seems like nobody on the inside that could offer more context for what happened with the groups involved (PR/Marketing and Board of Directors) to explain how it happened. I wouldn't be surprised if they threatened anybody from "leaking" things to the press and that was enough to keep anything else from coming out of THQ Nordic itself.

I'm kind of surprised posters here haven't thrown more accountability on Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Valve, etc. They all did absolutely nothing and they profiting off of THQ while being in a position to hit them where it hurts the most if they want their games to be in their marketplaces. But this aspect never seems to enter the realm of discussion.
They never did anything when GamerGate happened and that went on a lot longer, though it mostly involved small indies that usually aren't on the consoles and places like Steam and GOG are happy to host anything made by awful people as long as it sells and the devs haven't done anything illegal to get it on there. Just looking at the amount of people concerned about it compared to other issues, it makes sense that microtransactions were the first thing they'd do anything about on their platforms and even then, it's just listing the odds and nothing else. If they can't get THQ Nordic to do anything, then they certainly can't get the platform holders to do anything.
 

SturokBGD

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,414
Ontario
So in other words: you don't really give a shit about the discussion, let alone "elevating" it; you're just pissed that gamers were criticised, and want to shut that up.

But maybe I'm being unfair, and you do care a lot about this issue. Perhaps you simply solely blame THQ, and believe they alone should be the ones t-

... oh.
You can't be serious. Slow clap for you, I guess.

Have a bit of self reflection here and see what you're doing.
I find this incredibly ironic.

You know why the bad guys keep winning? Because we don't know how to talk to each other. Whatever.
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,045
You ever notice when someone doesn't follow up to your reply but does to the replies after yours?
 

SturokBGD

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,414
Ontario
- Is pissed that people point out that gamers don't give a shit about THQ's 8chan AMA.
- Does not give a shit about THQ's 8chan AMA.

Slow clap indeed.
And around we go.

Stop putting words in people's mouths.

You ever notice when someone doesn't follow up to your reply but does to the replies after yours?
I saw your post. I didn't disagree with it, but it didn't address my concern. Again, I shouldn't (and wouldn't) have to go digging through someone's post history to have a discussion. I quoted something specific.
 

crazillo

Member
Apr 5, 2018
8,186
No sympathy for their leadership at all from my side, but they do have a lot of interesting AA IP now and I expect to see many interesting games coming from them, although I think other companies had a stronger showing at Gamescom.
 

Gradon

Saw the truth behind the copied door
Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,471
UK
Okay. If you want to talk about if I'm doing no more to help the situation than "the rest of us", then you might want to bear in mind that I compiled the summary of the situation that was posted in the original thread (I believe other members sent me some suggestions for edits via PM, but I won't share their usernames without permission so I won't bother digging them out) and that I was also the one who offered to start the copypasta that @Diggeh is unfairly being blamed for (specifically to reduce the amount of effort needed to communicate about this issue. I don't include the summary until I was asked to because I felt it might seem like I was seeking attention). If it's poorly worded, that's on me; his only crime is wanting to get others to appreciate the issue.

Now, I'm not trying to grandstand here. All I did in either of those cases was sit around, read the thread, and type. It's not significantly different behaviour than posting in this thread. Yet what I've done is still quite a bit more than condensing the situation into one dismissive post as your narrative here is pushing.

"the rest of us" generally haven't done as much about this as Diggeh or I. I shouldn't dismiss the efforts of the reporters who investigated the issue, those who posted about the issue, or those who hold off on buying THQ Nordic games either. But in fact, a hell of a lot of people are putting in more effort to defend the fine reputation of gamers, or to try to ensure that they never have to remember the existence of their conscience. They're responding to a polite request to just consider who you're supporting with open hostility.

Those of us who are "certainly not doing anything to help the issue" can't do it on our own power. We need the assistance of others.

So putting this all together, when I say gamers don't care, I say this because I'm aware of how little effort it takes to be informative and help at least spread awareness, and because I resultingly know how precious few are making any effort whatsoever and how that compares to what those trying to shut those efforts down are putting in.

I also say it because I've followed the issue closely - as evidenced by me writing a summary on it - and so have a good sense of the thought behind THQ Nordic's response. Numerous times, individuals at the company passed the buck, even the ones who we knew to be involved insisting that it was simply on their subordinate. I know that they were aware beforehand and not only went ahead anyway, but scoffed at criticism while they were being bombarded with Nazi posters. I know that they literally had to scroll past a link advertising a board that sexualized underage boys in order to even post the AMA. I know that they tried to bribe at least one journalist by sending them unsolicited Steam keys. Which is why I say confidently that their final disaster response plan was simply to switch from an active coverup to silence and then let the apathy of the audience take over.

If I recall, even Imran noted something to the effect of that there isn't a great interest in articles about this sort of thing from his audience at Game Informer.

THQ Nordic relied on the fact that gamers don't care to protect them. If worked because gamers don't care. If that wasn't true, they wouldn't have gotten away so neatly with no sign that absolutely any concrete measure has actually been taken in response. And that's why I'm unsympathetic to the gamer victim complex that you and people much like you are spouting in these threads. That's why I'm unsympathetic to people who see that nothing is done and say "haven't they done enough?"

Thank you for this.
 

Jebusman

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,087
Halifax, NS
You can't be serious. Slow clap for you, I guess.


I find this incredibly ironic.

You know why the bad guys keep winning? Because we don't know how to talk to each other. Whatever.

I mean you're actively trolling by refusing to actually engage in this discussion. You literally were the one to come in and sidetrack the discussion away from THQN's actions and the people that support them, and instead focus on how its so unfair to label "gamers" all the same. It is straight up some #alllivesmatter bullshit.
 

Weltall Zero

Game Developer
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
19,343
Madrid
And around we go.

Stop putting words in people's mouths.

Your only posts in the most recent THQ thread (besides this one, where your sole contribution has been to rant in defense of poor gamers) are about Gothik remasters / sequels. Should I read deep concern about the topic at hand from those? It does not seem to have impaired your willingness to buy their games.

It's entirely transparent what you're doing here. You don't give a fuck about the AMA, which is perfectly fine. But don't have the gall to lecture others about how they approach the topic, because everyone can see precisely why you're doing it, and what's your issue with it. And it's literal, textbook #notallgamers.
 

SturokBGD

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,414
Ontario
I mean you're actively trolling by refusing to actually engage in this discussion. You literally were the one to come in and sidetrack the discussion away from THQN's actions and the people that support them, and instead focus on how its so unfair to label "gamers" all the same. It is straight up some #alllivesmatter bullshit.
Again with putting words in people's mouth.

You can't just hand wave a dissenting opinion by calling it "trolling". You can't just hit me with this "all lives matter" nonsense because you don't like what I'm saying (which isn't that, by the way).

Label me however you like, because I'm done here. I tried.
 

bakedpony

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,263
THQ Nordic is not just about the idiots who decided on the AMA. Those responsible should definitely be penalized.

If they actually brought out the goods, then kudos to them. At the end of the day, the award is for the games
 

nillansan

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,520
Denmark
You can't redefine 'gamer' the way you want to. Okay, you CAN, but you're not going to redefine it in other people's minds as long as we still use "games" and "gaming" the way we do right now.

I don't mean to come off as rude saying this, but some posters here need to get with the times, Gamer Gate happened/is happening and as a result it is expected that people redefine what it means to be a gamer (especially if you're a minority or woman) and as a minority I have to an extensive degree disassociated myself with gamers and the gaming community (ResetERA is the only site I participate on because it isn't complete shit and it's the only place I feel somewhat welcome), because I can't bear the racism and harrassment that comes with it.

Considering that, trying to use "gamers" to refer to a specific toxic portion of the rather large gaming community is a bad idea that makes you look hostile and stifles actual discussion.

I can't believe it is this hard to discern what and who I was referring to, just look at the people I was responding to. Context matters in this particular case. Again, I was responding directly to shitty people espousing typical anti-SJW rhetoric, things that I and many others associate with Gamer Gate. I just don't understand the outrage really.
 

tommy7154

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,370
Did they show anything for Biomutant? I was interested in that but haven't seen a damn thing on it in forever. Edit: I see with a search that they did at least show some of this. Good. It actually looks great.

And honestly the only thing I want is TimeSplitters. They shouldn't have won anything based on that alone. Please make the damn game.
 
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13,246
That first page is filled with some sad, sad replies, so it's good to see all the bans.

I know it hurts the souls of some people to even see the THQ boycott mentioned on Reset.
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,045
If I'm deeply upset that the image of gamers is poor, I have the following options.


1. Do nothing, allow the reputation to be as it is.

2. Try to actively be different and change the reputation by action.

3. Complain and hope that people think better of you afterward.
 

Velezcora

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Nov 16, 2017
3,124
Frankly it's ridiculous that we must devolve to such arguments every THQN thread. The reality is the people against THQN aren't even the problem. (A lot of you have the patience of a saint) it's the people who don't care who feel the need to argue about it.

Really what are you achieving here? You can't change the mind of people by yelling at them. Is this a defensive response to feeling bad about not caring? If you feel bad than stop buying the games? Either that or just accept your internal hypocrisy and move on?

If you really don't care about it then just like... chill. Don't participate in discussions on the topic and when you're discussing related things and somebody rightfully brings up the 8chan fiasco MOVE ON.
You can do this, I believe in you!
 

nillansan

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,520
Denmark
Good grief. What a take. SMH.

It's the very essence of what you asked for and apparently it's just not good enough. Now you're really coming across as being offended just for the sake of being offended.

You know why the bad guys keep winning? Because we don't know how to talk to each other. Whatever.

Then set a fucking example mate, those shit heels (#notallgamers) on the first page will be back in three days, show us how to engage and show us how to win. I've been asking for since we first exchanged words.
 

fireflame

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,275
Desperados is quite a good series overall. I would say the secobnd episode is the weakest episode, as it introduced 3d and some things weren'tworeking(guard giving alert when fibnding a mate drunk, animation to slow when attacking from behind stelathily, which gave time to guard to give alarm,etc.Helldorado polished that.
 

Deleted member 6730

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
11,526
I think we're long past the point where anybody needs informing about what THQ did.

Obviously, holding an AMA on 8chan was dangerously stupid and it's a good enough reason to be completely turned off by them. Not wanting to buy THQ Nordic games because they advertised themselves on 8chan is an understandable position to take and nobody's complaining about that. But like any other self-boycotts it's also your prerogative.

Mine, and I think everybody else's big concern was the potential that a major game company like THQN would normalize 8chan and the rhetoric they use. That the only audience that THQN would now want/allow is shitheads on 8chan and having a big game company on their side isn't a good thing. And that just didn't happen. Eventually 8chan would garner its own massive backlash through mainstream coverage due to tragic event completely disconnected from THQN. The site was shut down, the alt-right lost a major platform, and everybody not a nazi hates 8chan now. In that regard the threat of 8chan normalizing nazism is over, not that it's still not a threat but it's still a major loss for them. Hell, THQN washed their hands basically right away and they haven't done anything similar before or after since. That's why it's easy to move on from. Not is 8chan and what it represents gone, but THQN hasn't shown any consistent right-wing or alt-right behavior before or after since. So it comes across less of them being shitty alt-right organization and more of a stupid marketing stunt done out of apathy by the management. It doesn't make it less wrong, but does make it easy to move on from. And where you stand on this is going to depend on where how ready you are to move on. Some never will which is fine, but this also didn't make a dent in the greater discourse around 8chan and internet nazism so it's easy not to care about it.

Ultimately though I think the approach we're taking with THQN is starting to get increasingly unnecessary. This forum talks about shitty companies all the time. Chick Fil A, unlike THQN, consistently has shitty values and does active harm to marginalized groups. Yet, that doesn't make anywhere near as much noise as this. Nintendo literally caved to Gamergate by firing an employee who was a target of theirs. Where's there copypasta telling them they were complicit in helping Gamergate? Those are whataboutisms sure but isn't "why do you care about EGS more?" and "Disney wouldn't have done this" also whataboutisms?

Not wanting to personally support THQN because of 8chan? Absolutely understandable. Discussing fighting nazis pedophiles online? Awesome I love doing that too. But going into some unrelated thread otherwise, and posting literally the exact same thing long after the point of relevance? I think you're better off discussing fighting internet Nazism elsewhere because it's not going to make much of a difference on top of ruining people's excitement for whatever remake is coming out.
 
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Schnitzelfee

Member
Oct 25, 2017
361
Germany
Some of you really lost the track. Do you really think the general audience even knows about the 8chan BS?
This is a niche enthusiasts forum, the normal gamescom visitor has no idea about all the shit thats going down... And some act like this proofs that "gamers" (whatever that means) are the pure evil...
Get some perspective, really
 

MrConbon210

Member
Oct 31, 2017
7,649
I've never visited 8chan (clearly) or 4chan but aren't the sites like Reddit where there's different forums for each topic?

So on Reddit you would have r/gaming, that wouldn't mean people who go on r/gaming support the views of the users of r/TheDonald. Does the chan websites work like that?
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,045
I've never visited 8chan (clearly) or 4chan but aren't the sites like Reddit where there's different forums for each topic?

So on Reddit you would have r/gaming, that wouldn't mean people who go on r/gaming support the views of the users of r/TheDonald. Does the chan websites work like that?
It does, but 8chan is feature identical to 4chan as far as I know, aside from the ability to make your own board. Even the layout is identical; it presumably uses the same base software. There's no reason to be on 8chan's video games board, /v/, unless you want to do something that isn't allowed on 4chan's /v/. 4chan is the more popular board by far and if you want the leaks or anything else interesting that might come from the board you'd go there.

The only things that 4chan really clamps down are child porn, Gamergate, and maybe Nazi stuff outside of /pol/. 8chan is more tolerant or outright encourages those things. So that's what you're there for, and that's why the first reply to the AMA was "heil hitler".
 

TDLink

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
8,411
I think we're long past the point where anybody needs informing about what THQ did.

Obviously, holding an AMA on 8chan was dangerously stupid and it's a good enough reason to be completely turned off by them. Not wanting to buy THQ Nordic games because they advertised themselves on 8chan is an understandable position to take and nobody's complaining about that. But like any other self-boycotts it's also your prerogative.

Mine, and I think everybody else's big concern was the potential that a major game company like THQN would normalize 8chan and the rhetoric they use. That the only audience that THQN would now want/allow is shitheads on 8chan and having a big game company on their side isn't a good thing. And that just didn't happen. Eventually 8chan would garner its own massive backlash through mainstream coverage due to tragic event completely disconnected from THQN. The site was shut down, the alt-right lost a major platform, and everybody not a nazi hates 8chan now. In that regard the threat of 8chan normalizing nazism is over, not that it's still not a threat but it's still a major loss for them. Hell, THQN washed their hands basically right away and they haven't done anything similar before or after since. That's why it's easy to move on from. Not is 8chan and what it represents gone, but THQN hasn't shown any consistent right-wing or alt-right behavior before or after since. So it comes across less of them being shitty alt-right organization and more of a stupid marketing stunt done out of apathy by the management. It doesn't make it less wrong, but does make it easy to move on from. And where you stand on this is going to depend on where how ready you are to move on. Some never will which is fine, but this also didn't make a dent in the greater discourse around 8chan and internet nazism so it's easy not to care about it.

Ultimately though I think the approach we're taking with THQN is starting to get increasingly unnecessary. This forum talks about shitty companies all the time. Chick Fil A, unlike THQN, consistently has shitty values and does active harm to marginalized groups. Yet, that doesn't make anywhere near as much noise as this. Nintendo literally caved to Gamergate by firing an employee who was a target of theirs. Where's there copypasta telling them they were complicit in helping Gamergate? Those are whataboutisms sure but isn't "why do you care about EGS more?" and "Disney wouldn't have done this" also whataboutisms?

Not wanting to personally support THQN because of 8chan? Absolutely understandable. Discussing fighting nazis pedophiles online? Awesome I love doing that too. But going into some unrelated thread otherwise, and posting literally the exact same thing long after the point of relevance? I think you're better off discussing fighting internet Nazism elsewhere because it's not going to make much of a difference on top of ruining people's excitement for whatever remake is coming out.
Perfect post. Couldn't agree more.
 
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