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Zocano

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Oct 26, 2017
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Lot of characters in Darksiders have different arcs that could be discussed in spinoffs.

  • Samael's rejection by the Destroyer and his enslavement
  • Draven defying the Lord of Bones and his conquest to control the Eternal Throne
  • Uriel and her last flight of Angels being eternally damned on a destroyed Earth

Reading "Genesis" makes me think it will be the original contract the Charred Council made with the Four to kill the rest of the Nephelim? Would be kinda boring in a way since it would just be Death killing Absalom (again) but that's what that made me think of.
 

Siresly

Prophet of Regret
Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,568
It used to be funny when THQ Nordic vacuumed up all these studios and IP's. Now it's just sad. I liked Bugbear.
Whatever games these are (apparently it's a Destroy All Humans remake and Darksiders: Genesis, whatever that is) they might as well not get announced as far as I'm concerned. I hope it's Söldner though.

Highly doubt THQ Nordic will ever take sufficient action. Have they even done anything at all?

Philipp Brock (PR & Marketing Director) and Reinhard Pollice (Business & Product Development Director) appear to have been the two main people responsible, and they remain with the company as far as I'm aware. I have no faith in a leadership that does nothing when people fuck up this severely, and I have no idea why I'm supposed to have faith that their fucked up sensibilities won't remain and continue influencing the company. They boosted a site full of Nazis and pedophiles, that hosts mass-murdering terrorists and sympathizers. This is not something that just washes off. This stink should follow THQ Nordic across the universe in perpetuity.
 
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It used to be funny when THQ Nordic vacuumed up all these studios and IP's. Now it's just sad. I liked Bugbear.
Whatever games these are (apparently it's a Destroy All Humans remake and Darksiders: Genesis, whatever that is) they might as well not get announced as far as I'm concerned. I hope it's Söldner though.

Highly doubt THQ Nordic will ever take sufficient action. Have they even done anything at all?

Philipp Brock (PR & Marketing Director) and Reinhard Pollice (Business & Product Development Director) appear to have been the two main people responsible, and they remain with the company as far as I'm aware. I have no faith in a leadership that does nothing when people fuck up this severely, and I have no idea why I'm supposed to have faith that their fucked up sensibilities won't remain and continue influencing the company. They boosted a site full of Nazis and pedophiles, that hosts mass-murdering terrorists and sympathizers. This is not something that just washes off. This stink should follow THQ Nordic across the universe in perpetuity.
Didn't need know they had bugbear. They made ridge racer unbounded last gen.
 

LabRat

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Mar 16, 2018
4,229
darksiders genesis? the last one came out 6 months ago! hard to believe they would announce a new game in the series this quickly, but if they do it i hope they at least give the devs a proper budget this time. maybe it's a completly different genre or something.
also i would be sad if get destroy all humans instead of saints row or timesplitters, how many people were asking for a destroy all humans sequel?
 

Gundam

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
12,801
It's time to split (off from 4chan because even they don't want to host our pedo shit)
 

TheMrPliskin

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Oct 26, 2017
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I dunno about that, honestly. These people are in the marketing department, and all evidence shows that they knew what they were doing and they're still continuing the plan by ignoring responsibilities. After all, these events take months of planning before going for it, they were well aware of what 8chan was, all this was a deliberate act, which means they likely did research on how the AMA would effect their business. They knew that the AMA would catch headlines, they knew it would cause outrage, but they also knew how the general gaming community as a whole would react to it after the initial headlines, with a meh and a moving on. At the same time, they get a dedicated base in 8chan now that will purchase their products and defend them on social media since they felt attack by those who were critical of THQ.

It's disgusting to admit it, but they played their cards well and it makes me worry that other game companies, or companies in general, might follow in their footsteps. Image something like, pulling random companies out of the air here, Hugo Boss doing an AMA on r/The_Donald or Wendy's doing a comedy sketch with Milo. Just, that shit can happen because marketing is all about getting the most attention out there and public rage in the age of social media is the best free marketing one can get.
Yeah there's no doubt that they definitely knew there was a high likelihood they could just ride it out and face no real consequences, everything about the way it was handled shows that was the outcome they were hoping for. But even considering that was a likely option it's still a galaxy brain move to actually go ahead with it.
 

Slam Tilt

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Jan 16, 2018
5,585
I don't think there's anything wrong with liking THQ Nordic's games, that's an emotional reaction outside of your control as much as any. People aren't perfect, and I imagine that some people who might be upset by the 8chan issue will still struggle with buying a particular game that's zeroed in on their interest.

But if you're feeling the sting of conscience because others are talking about the issue and you don't want to, or it's affected their purchasing decisions and not yours, that's good. That's what's supposed to happen. You're supposed to feel bad. Hopefully you can use it as motivation to make more responsible decisions in the future. If you try to shut down the conversation because it's making your uncomfortable, your attitude is directly responsible for the apathy that allows THQ Nordic to ride this out.
As someone who honestly can't remember whether or not I've ever played a THQ game (does de Blob on the OG Wii count?), I find the continuing forum fights whenever a THQ Nordic thread pops up fascinating.

The way I see it, some people act as if THQN holding an AMA on 8chan makes them entirely culpable for everything 8chan has ever done or ever will do. From where I'm sitting, though, the AMA was less an act of endorsement and more of mere advertising -- someone at THQN's marketing department figured that a good number of their players had alt-right tendencies, so they decided to go where their audience was, with the support of like-minded folks at upper management. So to me this is no different than Nike or Acer advertising on Alex Jones' Infowars... except nobody was demanding that Nike or Acer fire anyone over their blunders.

Is it right to continue bringing up THQNordic's PR blunder and holding it over their heads? I don't know -- I think that's a matter for each individual to decide. But I do think there needs to be a distinction between a company briefly associating with a notorious organization and a company continuing to endorse a notorious organization -- and as far as I know, THQN hasn't done anything with 8chan after their AMA and the subsequent backlash. But maybe people are just using THQN as a proxy for their outrage because they can't do anything against 8chan itself.

Again, I am not a fan of either THQ nor 8chan. I just find the continuing arguments over the matter very fascinating, from the perspective of an armchair sociologist.
 

Jebusman

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,081
Halifax, NS
As someone who honestly can't remember whether or not I've ever played a THQ game (does de Blob on the OG Wii count?), I find the continuing forum fights whenever a THQ Nordic thread pops up fascinating.

The way I see it, some people act as if THQN holding an AMA on 8chan makes them entirely culpable for everything 8chan has ever done or ever will do. From where I'm sitting, though, the AMA was less an act of endorsement and more of mere advertising -- someone at THQN's marketing department figured that a good number of their players had alt-right tendencies, so they decided to go where their audience was, with the support of like-minded folks at upper management. So to me this is no different than Nike or Acer advertising on Alex Jones' Infowars... except nobody was demanding that Nike or Acer fire anyone over their blunders.

Is it right to continue bringing up THQNordic's PR blunder? I don't know -- I think that's a matter for each individual to decide. But I do think there needs to be a distinction between a company briefly associating with a notorious organization and a company continuing to endorse a notorious organization -- and as far as I know, THQN hasn't done anything with 8chan after their AMA and the subsequent backlash. But maybe people are just using THQN as a proxy for their outrage because they can't do anything against 8chan itself.

When you associate yourself with a known den of literal child pornography, in a way that makes it's extremely known that you know full well what 8chan is before doing the AMA, and NOBODY at the company has seemingly faced any punishment for it, you literally cannot take that in any way other than an endorsement. When directly confronted with the knowledge that the company was advertising and engaging with literal self admitting pedophiles, to do NOTHING about it is insane.

Like, this is 8chan we're talking about here. The site that exists because even 4chan had limits.

There shouldn't even be a discussion about this. The person who ran that AMA should not have a job at THQN anymore. The company's refusal to do fuck all about it speaks volumes.

The Nike/Acer comparison doesn't even make sense. Nike wasn't actively trying to advertise on Infowars. They were buying general ad time on youtube and then pulled it when people started pointing out that those ads were being run on the infowars channel. If someone at Nike went out of their way to advertise on Infowars, then yeah people would be demanding that someone get fired for that.
 
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Slam Tilt

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Jan 16, 2018
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User Banned (1 Month): Dismissing concerns surrounding paedophilia
When you associate yourself with a known den of literal child pornography, in a way that makes it's extremely known that you know full well what 8chan is, and NOBODY at the company has seemingly faced any punishment, you literally cannot take that in any way other than an endorsement.
I don't claim to know everything about the AMA or 8chan, but I think "a known den of literal child pornography, in a way that makes it's extremely known that you know full well what 8chan is" carries with it a very high burden of proof. Does 8chan put a banner on their homepage that says "pedophiles welcome here"? Or is this a case of some clueless schmuck in marketing who just figures "according to my kid's friends, it's some web site that's popular with a lot of our players"? Because my brief encounters with online marketing people tells me that they can be incredibly dense.
 

Jebusman

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Oct 27, 2017
4,081
Halifax, NS
I don't claim to know everything about the AMA or 8chan

Then why the fuck did you come into this thread to essentially run defense for THQN? At least read up a bit on how it all actually went down before dropping a hot take that essentially amounted to excusing THQN for associating with a site that harbors CP.

Google won't even surface 8chan in search results anymore because of the CP association. Every bit of that AMA indicated whoever was running it was 100% aware of what 8chan was before going in. This wasn't a random "oh I had no idea" situation. Hell if you find out your kid associates with 8chan in any way you probably want to have a sit down with them real soon.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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As yall may know, Im the biggest DAH fan around and

As much as I dislike THQ.. (they did make BWU which was ok)

Ill buy DAH1 remake if its as good as 2. Though 2 is the best game on the Ps2 so itll be hard to beat
 

TheUnseenTheUnheard

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
May 25, 2018
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Shoozle

Banned
Dec 2, 2017
319
UK
Gimme some Titan Quest goodness. Love the support THQ Nordic have been providing it and just releasing expansions the day they are announced. I know Crate is working on Grim Dawn which I love, but I appreciate the setting of TQ more and hope it goes places in the future.
 

ArjanN

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Oct 25, 2017
10,106
Reading "Genesis" makes me think it will be the original contract the Charred Council made with the Four to kill the rest of the Nephelim? Would be kinda boring in a way since it would just be Death killing Absalom (again) but that's what that made me think of.

If it's not Darksiders 4 I could see this one being a different genre. like a top down 4 player thing, or an RPG like BatlleChasers.
 
Oct 25, 2017
7,624
canada
The biggest hurdle for DAH is to understand why its humour worked.

After getting into those games I went and watched most 1950's B-movies and studied more 1960s culture. DAH humour is referential humour, its not just crude jokes. Nailing that humour is MAJOR.

They need the OG VA's as well.

Music must be on point.

Physics should be a mix between the speed of BWU, ragdoll effects of DAH2, and environmental dmg of DAH1.
 

3bdelilah

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Oct 26, 2017
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What are the odds that one of them is Darksiders 4? How well did DS3 perform?
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,876
Las Vegas
Google won't even surface 8chan in search results anymore because of the CP association.

Yeah. Although it seems it was only temporary (from wikipedia)

In August 2015, 8chan appeared to have been temporarily blacklisted from Google Search for at least an hour due to what Google described as content constituting "suspected child abuse content."

To be honest I'm too scared to google anything 8chan related to test this out.
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
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Oct 25, 2017
49,969
I don't claim to know everything about the AMA or 8chan, but I think "a known den of literal child pornography, in a way that makes it's extremely known that you know full well what 8chan is" carries with it a very high burden of proof. Does 8chan put a banner on their homepage that says "pedophiles welcome here"? Or is this a case of some clueless schmuck in marketing who just figures "according to my kid's friends, it's some web site that's popular with a lot of our players"? Because my brief encounters with online marketing people tells me that they can be incredibly dense.

What make this post absurd is that THQ Nordic's AMA had a link above it advertising /trapshota/, as 8chan's /v/ did at the time. The posting box is also on the top of boards in 4chan's setup, which 8chan strictly replicates.

So while Slam Tilt here asking if it had a banner saying that "pedophiles are welcome here" is stupid, what's amazing is that the answer is actually yes. The people involved had to pass over said banner to post the AMA and to post in it.

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L Thammy

Spacenoid
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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah. Although it seems it was only temporary (from wikipedia)

In August 2015, 8chan appeared to have been temporarily blacklisted from Google Search for at least an hour due to what Google described as content constituting "suspected child abuse content."

To be honest I'm too scared to google anything 8chan related to test this out.
It's still blocked. First link is still Wikipedia, followed by articles about how 8chan should not be ignored and is tied to recent racially-motivated violence.
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
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Oct 25, 2017
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I just find the continuing arguments over the matter very fascinating, from the perspective of an armchair sociologist.[/SPOILER]

I'd also like to point out that if you don't stop to at least look up some of the information on a heated subject before you try to play the detached intellectual superior, you're probably a lot dumber than you think you are.
 

Harp

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,206
I'd pay for an Amalur remaster on switch so long as it ran well. If it's dipping under 25, I'll pass.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Destroy All Humans would be interesting. Never felt that series got anywhere close to it's potential, especially compared to Pandemic's work on Mercenaries.

Reeeeally ready for that Timesplitters revival though.
 

Nerokis

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Oct 25, 2017
5,561
It's disgusting to admit it, but they played their cards well and it makes me worry that other game companies, or companies in general, might follow in their footsteps. Image something like, pulling random companies out of the air here, Hugo Boss doing an AMA on r/The_Donald or Wendy's doing a comedy sketch with Milo. Just, that shit can happen because marketing is all about getting the most attention out there and public rage in the age of social media is the best free marketing one can get.

I don't agree with this. THQN is a publisher, not a reactionary with a Patreon. Being associated with a website that exists in the worst niche imaginable does nothing positive for recruitment efforts, for morale across various subsidiaries, for investor confidence, for future acquisitions and business relationships, for the long-term value of their brand, for future coverage. Making inroads with 8channers isn't some great benefit to their financial prospects.

The dude who set the whole thing up was at THQN before it was THQN, and clearly the professionalization of the company lagged behind its overall growth. The fact that there was some amount of calculation behind the move doesn't mean it was well calculated.
 

Khanimus

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
40,157
Greater Vancouver
Fuck em. No need to waste my life on these nazi/pedo-courting fuckbags.

My sympathies to the devs who have been unwillingly caught up in a PR nightmare by association with their parent company, but I'm under no obligation to say anything nice beyond 'fuck THQNordiq'.
 
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Oct 28, 2017
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They could announce the final fantasy 7 remake and I would cancel, which sucks because I want more mid tier games but..... no
 

Captain of Outer Space

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Oct 28, 2017
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Yeah there's no doubt that they definitely knew there was a high likelihood they could just ride it out and face no real consequences, everything about the way it was handled shows that was the outcome they were hoping for. But even considering that was a likely option it's still a galaxy brain move to actually go ahead with it.
Yeah, they're getting away with it because they're an obscure publisher with a name from a company that went out of business several years ago and most of their games are not big names or big budget projects that dominate the discussion like Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Ubisoft, EA, Capcom, and Activisions games do. People don't really care about THQ Nordic, much less any stunts they pull for more than a few seconds. I don't think bigger pubs would even consider the idea they had because they have enough people acting as a buffer to stop it from getting that far.
 

Silky

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,522
Georgia
Yeah, they're getting away with it because they're an obscure publisher with a name from a company that went out of business several years ago and most of their games are not big names or big budget projects that dominate the discussion like Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Ubisoft, EA, Capcom, and Activisions games do. People don't really care about THQ Nordic, much less any stunts they pull for more than a few seconds. I don't think bigger pubs would even consider the idea they had because they have enough people acting as a buffer to stop it from getting that far.
That's why it's so easy to not give a shit about THQN honestly. They're another mid-publisher in a sea that's already very competitive. It's easy to ignore them.