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Lukemia SL

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Jan 30, 2018
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You kind of can't talk about those things here anymore, so it would seem easier to just ban discussion. Literally expect that when the Shenmue 3 OT is made, it will devolve into Shenmue 3 fans liking child porn within minutes basically. I guess they continue to allow the topics just to make a statement about the situation each time.

Have any of the recent Shenmue 3 threads have any of these types of posts? Haven't been in the latest one.
 

ThaNotoriousSOD

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
802
Don't forget about all the things you're supporting when you consider any THQ Nordic games.

Here's a helpful summary post of all the events for the uninitiated.

Mod statement: "To address a few recurring points: We will not be banning games published by THQ Nordic and subsidiaries like Deep Silver. You are instead welcome to continue raising the issue in threads relevant to the publisher and its games."

_______________________________________________________________

These games are being published by THQ Nordic. For those who may not be aware or who may have forgotten, THQ Nordic had a marketing effort where it intended to gain attention using a website that is known primarily for its support of child pornography, as well as for support of Neo-Nazism, doxxing, and other extremely damaging behaviours.

THQ Nordic's provided no response to this fiasco except for an apology claiming they did not do enough research. As the website is unlisted by Google, they had spoken to the board owner about removing "nasty stuff", and content was viewable both before and during the campaign, this claim is beyond belief. The individuals responsible are known not to be rogue PR interns, but go up to THQ Nordic's board. THQ Nordic has not been dealt with the individuals responsible.

Consider that by supporting these games, you are supporting a publisher that is complicit with child pornography.


Yikes, somehow I had missed all of that. Fuck em, I won't give them any of my money.
 
Oct 25, 2017
56,663
Because they're one of the biggest video games publishers. I don't think era would appreciate not being able to talk anymore about Shenmue 3, Saints Row, Metro Exodus, A Plague Tale, Dead Island, Darksiders and much more. Not to mention almost all non-first party european retail releases.
Didn't know they did a plague tale
Have any of the recent Shenmue 3 threads have any of these types of posts? Haven't been in the latest one.
alil yea but shenmue threads get so lil traffic even on here it's you don't notice most ppl in a shenmue thread are the hardcore I can't wait ppl
 

Spaltazar

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
2,105
Normalposting



It's not derailed tho
yeah i worded this a bit clumsily. what i mean is just post on topic (in the case of discussion about shenmue 3) and engage with others that stay on topic. i don't mind people pointing out thq's shitty things at all. stupidity of that level certainly deserves call out, but i can also have an on topic discussion about their stuff without always engaging in the discussion about the 8chan disaster
 

Arcus Felis

Unshakable Resolve
Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,123
Don't forget about all the things you're supporting when you consider any THQ Nordic games.

Here's a helpful summary post of all the events for the uninitiated.

Mod statement: "To address a few recurring points: We will not be banning games published by THQ Nordic and subsidiaries like Deep Silver. You are instead welcome to continue raising the issue in threads relevant to the publisher and its games."

_______________________________________________________________

These games are being published by THQ Nordic. For those who may not be aware or who may have forgotten, THQ Nordic had a marketing effort where it intended to gain attention using a website that is known primarily for its support of child pornography, as well as for support of Neo-Nazism, doxxing, and other extremely damaging behaviours.

THQ Nordic's provided no response to this fiasco except for an apology claiming they did not do enough research. As the website is unlisted by Google, they had spoken to the board owner about removing "nasty stuff", and content was viewable both before and during the campaign, this claim is beyond belief. The individuals responsible are known not to be rogue PR interns, but go up to THQ Nordic's board. THQ Nordic has not been dealt with the individuals responsible.

Consider that by supporting these games, you are supporting a publisher that is complicit with child pornography.
This post should be made into a threadmark.

Needless to say, I won't buy anything from THQ Nordic after the support they have shown to a child pornography website.
 

Deleted member 3815

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,633
Fuck THQ Noridic and their games.

They made it full well clear where they stand and I will not stand idly by and support them nor will I be quiet about it either.

The sheer fact that the video game industry and the gaming journalist just shrugged their shoulders and went meh are just as bad.
 

mutantmagnet

Member
Oct 28, 2017
12,401
The most heated gaming moment of all time.


Sadly, sexist swat campaign supporters making announcements have competition with a company bringing console exclusivity tactics to PC gaming. We'll see which one makes gamers rise up more.


Should just ban all discussion about THQ games if the threads end up like this.


THQ and Epic Games have shit the bed.

I don't even recall games related to EA getting this vitriol and that distinction is justified.
 

Spaltazar

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
2,105
This post should be made into a threadmark.

Needless to say, I won't buy anything from THQ Nordic after the support they have shown to a child pornography website.

add this bit! "Everyone is welcome to criticize THQ Nordiq for any past mistakes, but do not make accusations against your fellow community members simply because they are still interested in discussing their products or announcements. Any further posts doing so may be subject to moderation. " and i am game
 

YaBish

Unshakable Resolve - One Winged Slayer
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Oct 27, 2017
5,341
Because they're one of the biggest video games publishers. I don't think era would appreciate not being able to talk anymore about Shenmue 3, Saints Row, Metro Exodus, A Plague Tale, Dead Island, Darksiders and much more. Not to mention almost all non-first party european retail releases.
Didn't know they did a plague tale
A Plague Tale: Innocence is published by Focus Home Interactive, which is an independent publisher, is it not?
 
Feb 19, 2018
1,650
Official Staff Communication
Everyone is welcome to criticize THQ Nordiq for any past mistakes, but do not make accusations against your fellow community members simply because they are still interested in discussing their products or announcements. Any further posts doing so may be subject to moderation.

Thank you so much for taking that stance mods. It's reassuring to know that people interested in games released Nordic and the companies they own (which is a massive number of titles if you look at European publishing through Deep Silver) can actually discuss and talk about them here now and in the future without running the constant risk of getting thrown ad hominems at them just for wanting to discuss said games.

add this bit! "Everyone is welcome to criticize THQ Nordiq for any past mistakes, but do not make accusations against your fellow community members simply because they are still interested in discussing their products or announcements. Any further posts doing so may be subject to moderation. " and i am game
This is very much needed as well.
 
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Horo

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Nov 17, 2017
590
User banned (5 days): Trolling, dismissing valid criticisms with disingenuous comparisons, engaging in backseat moderation.
We need a solution to this to be honest. Can't we just make sure that there is a segment dedicated in the op of every THQN related post about the whole affair to inform those unaware, and at the same time let the people who want to talk about the games/don't care do so in the thread itself?

This is supposed to be a dedicated gaming forum after all, and threads like these were after all partly what gave neogaf it's bad reputation as a hostile and unfriendly place, and isn't avoiding Gaf's mistakes one of era's major goals?
 

Spaltazar

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
2,105
We need a solution to this to be honest. Can't we just make sure that there is a segment dedicated in the op of every THQN related post about the whole affair to inform those unaware, and at the same time let the people who want to talk about the games/don't care do so in the thread itself?

This is supposed to be a dedicated gaming forum after all, and threads like these were after all partly what gave neogaf it's bad reputation as a hostile and unfriendly place, and isn't avoiding Gaf's mistakes one of era's major goals?
meh i dunno. people should be free to call out thq imo. is it really so hard to ignore these comments and just engage with the ontopic people?
 

mutantmagnet

Member
Oct 28, 2017
12,401
I really don't understand why they haven't dropped the brain geniuses that signed off on the 8chan AMA yet.
Getting a seat on the board of directors is partially based on social connections. You still have to secure a vote in a publicly traded company but the way these votes are collected you can barely call the system democratic.

The next time a revote has to be done he still won't be removed in that manner even if there were shareholder activists making noise for various reasons. There has to be an observable material lost in wealth to force THQ to remove those 2 people in high leadership positions.
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,037
We need a solution to this to be honest. Can't we just make sure that there is a segment dedicated in the op of every THQN related post about the whole affair to inform those unaware, and at the same time let the people who want to talk about the games/don't care do so in the thread itself?

This is supposed to be a dedicated gaming forum after all, and threads like these were after all partly what gave neogaf it's bad reputation as a hostile and unfriendly place, and isn't avoiding Gaf's mistakes one of era's major goals?

Are you unfree to talk about the games here, or are you simply unfree to do without also seeing discussion of the publisher? I'm not sure we should be providing a safe space where you don't have to think about who you're supporting.

Ultimately, the root of the problem here is THQ Nordic. They did the best of their fans a disservice when they looked at a den of Neo-Nazi terrorism and child abuse and said "that's our target audience, let's talk to them."
 

Deleted member 2791

User requested account closure
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Oct 25, 2017
19,054
thanks for the info, i planned on buying it next week.

Just so you know, you need to avoid games released in Europe by all of these publishers:
- Atlus
- Bethesda
- Capcom
- SEGA
- Microsoft
- Paradox
- Koei Tecmo
- Focus Home Interactive
- Codemasters
- NIS America
- Spike Chunsoft
- Square Enix

on top of the companies that Koch Media partnered with on a single game basis, such as Yu Suzuki's studio for Shenmue 3.
 
Oct 29, 2017
5,354
Or the people who gives them free marketing? ever wondered that it might actually be the reason why gaming media was mostly quiet about this whole affair? They agreed that avoiding giving 8chan free promotion by talking about them was more important than punishing THQN for consorting with them. And to be honest, i agree.

What "market" are you catering to who looks at "yo they hosted an event with a child pornography website" and says "oh boy I better buy their games!"?
 

Zero-ELEC

The Wise Ones
Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,565
MĂ©xico
We need a solution to this to be honest. Can't we just make sure that there is a segment dedicated in the op of every THQN related post about the whole affair to inform those unaware, and at the same time let the people who want to talk about the games/don't care do so in the thread itself?

This is supposed to be a dedicated gaming forum after all, and threads like these were after all partly what gave neogaf it's bad reputation as a hostile and unfriendly place, and isn't avoiding Gaf's mistakes one of era's major goals?
This is gaming, tho. It's absolutely relevant.
 

TaySan

SayTan
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Dec 10, 2018
31,446
Tulsa, Oklahoma
We need a solution to this to be honest. Can't we just make sure that there is a segment dedicated in the op of every THQN related post about the whole affair to inform those unaware, and at the same time let the people who want to talk about the games/don't care do so in the thread itself?

This is supposed to be a dedicated gaming forum after all, and threads like these were after all partly what gave neogaf it's bad reputation as a hostile and unfriendly place, and isn't avoiding Gaf's mistakes one of era's major goals?
No one's stopping you from talking about the games. We have the right to also talk about the publishers actions
 

goldenpp73

Banned
Dec 5, 2017
2,144
We need a solution to this to be honest. Can't we just make sure that there is a segment dedicated in the op of every THQN related post about the whole affair to inform those unaware, and at the same time let the people who want to talk about the games/don't care do so in the thread itself?

This is supposed to be a dedicated gaming forum after all, and threads like these were after all partly what gave neogaf it's bad reputation as a hostile and unfriendly place, and isn't avoiding Gaf's mistakes one of era's major goals?

This isn't really a gaming forum in the pure sense, it's very much social and politically driven with a dash of gaming enthusiasm as well. I agree with your sentiment but saying as such gets you on the list of 'no politics in muh gamez' and so forth. You kind of can't just come here for the hobby part which i'd say is obvious when people won't even click a Youtube video unless someone verifies they have a totally clean record. Era ultimately has a good agenda, it just also means you can't just focus on the content when interfacing with the community.
 

ianpm31

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,529
Some of era is effectively saying boycott most AA games in the industry. The reach goes quite far. It's quite ironic coming from a dedicated gaming forum. A forum that is getting tired of the AAA model.
 

S1kkZ

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,389
Just so you know, you need to avoid games released in Europe by all of these publishers:
- Atlus
- Bethesda
- Capcom
- SEGA
- Microsoft
- Paradox
- Koei Tecmo
- Focus Home Interactive
- Codemasters
- NIS America
- Spike Chunsoft
- Square Enix

on top of the companies that Koch Media partnered with on a single game basis, such as Yu Suzuki's studio for Shenmue 3.
well, then i guess i will save a ton of money in the future (not really, since all of those above really dont make games i want to play/buy).
 
Oct 25, 2017
11,706
United Kingdom
Just so you know, you need to avoid games released in Europe by all of these publishers:
- Atlus
- Bethesda
- Capcom
- SEGA
- Microsoft
- Paradox
- Koei Tecmo
- Focus Home Interactive
- Codemasters
- NIS America
- Spike Chunsoft
- Square Enix

on top of the companies that Koch Media partnered with on a single game basis, such as Yu Suzuki's studio for Shenmue 3.

People are gonna miss out on a lot of games if they really stick to their boycott lol
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,037
Some of era is effectively saying boycott most AA games in the industry. The reach goes quite far. It's quite ironic coming from a dedicated gaming forum. A forum that is getting tired of the AAA model.
I dunno man, Devolver Digital is somehow still out there without needing to support 8chan to survive.
 

unknownspectator

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
2,192
If people here want to support the devs without supporting the publishers, i have a solution at least for console users: buy used. yeah, the devs won't recieve any money but the money you will spend will likely go to the publishers anyways.
 

Diego Renault

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Nov 1, 2017
1,339
I came here to speculate about the unanounced THQ nordic games, but 50% of this thread is now derailed. WTF is this shit?

I suggest the following: If people want to talk about that 8chan pr stunt, they should make a dedicated thread about it. Threads about THQ Nordic's games and announcements should be free of any derailments.
 

Deleted member 31817

Nov 7, 2017
30,876
The fact that gaming journalists still havent taken thqn to task and the fact that thqn never actually fixed the shit they pulled....

Just bafflingly frustrating

This time it is actually partially about ethics in game journalism and those same people are dead quiet lmao
 

Spaltazar

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
2,105
I came here to speculate about the unanounced THQ nordic games, but 50% of this thread is now derailed. WTF is this shit?

I suggest the following: If people want to talk about that 8chan pr stunt, they should make a dedicated thread about it. Threads about THQ Nordic's games and announcements should be free of any derailments.
this post is what happens when the mod disclaimer someone posted higher up in this page is not set as a threadmark in every one of these threads. it should really be rule to put that into every thq thread going forward
 

Deleted member 31817

Nov 7, 2017
30,876
Some of era is effectively saying boycott most AA games in the industry. The reach goes quite far. It's quite ironic coming from a dedicated gaming forum. A forum that is getting tired of the AAA model.
Thqn picked up a ton of IPs. Maybe another company could scoop them again.
 

Ms.Galaxy

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
1,653
Official Staff Communication
Everyone is welcome to criticize THQ Nordiq for any past mistakes, but do not make accusations against your fellow community members simply because they are still interested in discussing their products or announcements. Any further posts doing so may be subject to moderation.

I don't want to sound like I'm backseat modding or anything but may I ask that we have additional guidelines on members that hand wave the issues as " simple drama" and dismiss others' concerns? I can understand the desire and interest to speak about these IPs, I've try not to insult those that do buy THQ games, but people calling it stupid or drama feels a bit insulting for those who were personally affected by what THQ did.
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,037
The fact that gaming journalists still havent taken thqn to task and the fact that thqn never actually fixed the shit they pulled....

Just bafflingly frustrating

This time it is actually partially about ethics in game journalism and those same people are dead quiet lmao
THQ Nordic has largely been riding on the assumption that by ignoring it, the apathy of the gaming audience would allow them to get through unscathed. This involves ignoring gaming journalists who try to talk to them, giving them little fuel to continue the story from this.

Positions like this:
I came here to speculate about the unanounced THQ nordic games, but 50% of this thread is now derailed. WTF is this shit?

I suggest the following: If people want to talk about that 8chan pr stunt, they should make a dedicated thread about it. Threads about THQ Nordic's games and announcements should be free of any derailments.
ultimately feed THQ Nordic's success, as gamers demonstrate that they are apathetic enough to allow this to slide.
 
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