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How a character like Walt can be labeled as psychotic? Do you know what psychotic means?
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This scene in breaking bad.
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What?
How a character like Walt can be labeled as psychotic? Do you know what psychotic means?
Hopped off #TeamWalt when he chose continuing cooking meth over reconciling with his ex-partner and allowing him to pay for Walt's cancer treatments. Even on my second watch I could shake off Walt making the decision to cook in the first place, as well as him icing the dealers. But when you're given a way out by someone who is genuinely altruistic and flatly turn it down, then it's difficult to support any morally-bereft decisions you made thereafter.
Ironically, whether it's Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul, Ken never wins.
Walt's cancer was a permission slip to shirk his mask and let his true nature emerge. This clip is an early indication of that.
Walt's cancer was a permission slip to shirk his mask and let his true nature emerge. This clip is an early indication of that.
While that's true, I think the final season also has to justify him getting back into the whole thing after getting himself clear of Gus, which both highlights what a terrible person he is, but how absurd the constant one upping is.
I'm sure it's been said, but this is the same guy who lured his archnemesis into a retirement home so he could blow him up with a pipe bomb. It's one of many elements that deliberately illustrate the man he always was inside, but was too timid to bring out.
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It's ok. I like your work, art in star wars games has been incredible.
Walt is a selfish, horrible person. I think a moment like in the OP is when we see him fully give into it, he doesn't care that it might hurt people or is bombastic, it's him giving into his desires without a care for anyone else. That's who he is, and it just comes out more and more as the series progresses.
let's be real, ken had this coming. if Walt could kill two birds with one stone, to do this for his family and to blow up Ken's BMW.. I'm not exactly going to bat an eye at this one.
I don't like that scene either, but mainly cause I don't believe Walt would have had the balls to have done that at point of the show (literally at the end of the second episode, no?). Season 3 Walt? For sure. Season 2 Walt, yea probably. Early season 1 Walt? Hell no.
As others have been pointing out, Walt is a terrible and very petty person. The only thing possibly out of character is that he had the courage to do something like that at this point, not that he wouldn't want to or enjoy doing it.
Also, small thing, but people are using "psychotic" wrong in this thread. Psychosis is a mental illness and not a negative character trait. Walt wasn't psychotic.
Also, small thing, but people are using "psychotic" wrong in this thread. Psychosis is a mental illness and not a negative character trait. Walt wasn't psychotic.
He basically does. There are some great video essays about BB you should check out, and one of them is about this very thing.
The show itself hints at it tons.
I think it might be one of these. I'm at work so I can't check, but I remember these being good anyway.
Assuming you've seen the whole show, give em a watch.
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Yeah, it's a random not very thought out thought that I decided to make a thread about.
Theres been a lot of good analysis and opinion on the scene though, so this thread has been pretty good.
Likewise, I think being able to look 50 for the last 30 years has really been able to cement your look in Hollywood, giving the audiences a consistent, relatable experience. Hearts in Atlantis was a particular highlight.
Ken deserved it! #TeamWalt
Yes I know Walt is a bad guy but it is okay to root for the anti hero or bad guy in a work of fiction
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You're not supposed to cheer this guy on, he makes fucking meth for a living, lol I worry about people..
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you kinda are. that's kinda the point of a tv show. you cheer on Walt. you cheer on Tony. because you're invested in the story. that doesn't mean the things that they do are okay outside of the television story.
you kinda are. that's kinda the point of a tv show. you cheer on Walt. you cheer on Tony. because you're invested in the story. that doesn't mean the things that they do are okay outside of the television story.
No, that's not the point. The point was to show the lengths a man might go when he thought he would die.
I never cheered on Tony. He's a terrible person.
I don't need to be a cheerleader. I'm more interested in the humanity in the characters.
It's scary to me that people cheer on the murderers.
Where did I say I was disgusted? I love breaking bad. Walt is a great character, and a terrible person. Same with Tony.
Instead let's talk about how people look at walt as a hero and skyler as a villain. The misogyny in those takes show up constantly in real life relationships.
That's the scary thing to me. If anything, I'm disgusted at fanbases that are overtly sexist while propping up terrible men as the heroes.
oh definitely. there is a lot of completely insane hero worship regarding these characters, and a lot of really gross villainizing too.
but that's all been discussed a lot. and that's fine. i just think maybe we've gone full circle now and saying "Walt did something positive once" or even "Walt could have had a noble intention once" is met with extreme disgust. i just don't think it's good for conversation. we're not these characters' cheerleaders, in either direction. but we are following them for a reason. we like it.
but that's all been discussed a lot. and that's fine. i just think maybe we've gone full circle now and saying "Walt did something positive once" or even "Walt could have had a noble intention once" is met with extreme disgust. i just don't think it's good for conversation. we're not these characters' cheerleaders, in either direction. but we are following them for a reason. we like it.
He went into Tuco's place and bombed his building in Season 1. That's his Season 1 story. He didn't give a fuck anymore. He could do whatever he wanted and not worry about consequences. He just had qualms about killing people for moral reasons, which went away when he became used to it.
Congrats on finally seeing Walt's character for what it is, all these years later. Nice job.
Bro, did you watch the show? Walt is pretty much the villain.
It's crazy when
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Walt died there.
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This is important. People should get informed about what being a psychotic is.
Just because she's not a deranged drug lord doesn't mean she isn't insufferable.
it's a showing of what a man can do in the right situation, no man is just good and no man is just evil
He discovered his malicious side and that's what he's capable of
He discovered his malicious side and that's what he's capable of
I just remembered that the real Anthony Hopkins sent a gushing fan letter to Bryan Cranston that got leaked.
And he was not happy about it being out there.
And he was not happy about it being out there.
Wow a lot of posts in this thread are downright nasty and demeaning towards the OP. I think some people read a few too many exaggerated ''deep'' pseudo psychology character breakdowns of Walter White. And of course now it looks really elite when you show how you figured out and 'get' he psychology of Walter White.
Please, Walter White wasn't a psychopath or a sociopath. Did he fuck up? Yes. Was he a flawed person? Oh, absolutely. But a deeply rooted evil person he is not.
Psychopaths do not feel remorse or empathy. There are several moments in the show where you see these traits on Walter.
I didn't like the scene too. It's very unrealistic. You can't just set a car on fire at a petrol station and just get away with it like Walt does in the show. It felt like a forced crowd pleaser to me tbh (oppressed character overcomes the bully).
Please, Walter White wasn't a psychopath or a sociopath. Did he fuck up? Yes. Was he a flawed person? Oh, absolutely. But a deeply rooted evil person he is not.
Psychopaths do not feel remorse or empathy. There are several moments in the show where you see these traits on Walter.
I didn't like the scene too. It's very unrealistic. You can't just set a car on fire at a petrol station and just get away with it like Walt does in the show. It felt like a forced crowd pleaser to me tbh (oppressed character overcomes the bully).
it's a gross oversimplification of the character to chalk everything Walt does up to "he's just an evil mustache twirling psychopath/sociopath". Is he somewhere on the spectrum? Likely. But so are millions of functioning members of society who never harm a fly. Turn off the power & water in your city for a few weeks and you might be shocked at what "good people" are capable of. On the old site I'd often use the analogy of a soldier in war to highlight the effects of suspending morality and nurturing the darker parts of one's humanity, particularly when the person feels they have justification.
I never bought that Walt was always a psycho. It always felt to me like he was playing an imaginary character until he became it.
Like the best scene that gets that across is just after he first meets Tuco, and he has a weird adrenaline comedown in the car. Then later on he inhabits Heisenberg more easily, finally becoming him in seasons 4 and 5 when even kid killing doesnt phase him anymore.
Remember when he killed Crazy 8? Didn't seem like a psycho then
So yeah that scene in OP is kind of dumb imo.
Like the best scene that gets that across is just after he first meets Tuco, and he has a weird adrenaline comedown in the car. Then later on he inhabits Heisenberg more easily, finally becoming him in seasons 4 and 5 when even kid killing doesnt phase him anymore.
Remember when he killed Crazy 8? Didn't seem like a psycho then
So yeah that scene in OP is kind of dumb imo.
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