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So will this only be watchable in JP theaters or is a US streaming service picking this and the Rebuild films up (because it's been so long I need a ReFresher).
Oh, answered by KarmaCow. Thanks!
Oh, answered by KarmaCow. Thanks!
Voted yes--there's already precedent with the manga.
I will accept this, but a similar theory is already floating around for another popular series right now, so I'd rather it be different.
I will accept this, but a similar theory is already floating around for another popular series right now, so I'd rather it be different.
As much as I'd like that tease at the end of the manga (the final bonus chapter) to be relevant to the plot, Yoshiyuki Sadamoto has admitted that he made the manga without consulting with Anno and that chapter was basically just fanon/speculation on the nature of that new character, rather than him actually knowing anything we don't.
That being said, it has been enough time since then that Anno could have been influenced by it and incorporated it into the ideas for the final movie. We will see soon enough. (hoping the rumors of a Amazon Prime Italy release a month after Japanese theater release pans out, and fansubbers can bring it to English).
No i don't think it will. I think all the sequel stuff is just flair or metaphor and not actual plot.
Prediction:
They're going to heavily hint at it without fully confirming it and it will be SO obvious but people will still argue about it for YEARS.
They're going to heavily hint at it without fully confirming it and it will be SO obvious but people will still argue about it for YEARS.
This is where I'm at, I've been on Team Sequel since 1.0 and I think the only way it is not a sequel it's because Anno wanta to scree with people one last (more?) time
Bye-bye all of Evangelion? The last Rebuild film was originally scheduled to release in 2008, and Anno had been said to have been working on them (in some capacity) since 2002! This is the longest goodbye I've ever seen.
On topic, I stand by sequel theory being real, and also believe it will not be confirmed, or at all referenced in this final film. I think 3.0 shows we're far past the point of things mattering or making sense; even for this franchise.
On topic, I stand by sequel theory being real, and also believe it will not be confirmed, or at all referenced in this final film. I think 3.0 shows we're far past the point of things mattering or making sense; even for this franchise.
I honestly didn't realise there was anyone out there who didn't think it was a sequel. I didn't think it was a theory.
Same boat. I thought it was basically confirmed that's exactly what was going on? Have they not actually explicitly said that to be the case? That makes the manga ending and most of 3.0 make a lot less sense if it's not a sequel/time loop thingy going on.
If you want to join in on convos like this yeah sure, the only shitty part is it's no where online legally, so you gotta hunt down DVD's that are somewhat pricy and hard to find.
So I finally watched End of Evangelion.
What the fuck was that? It felt like people bitched so much about the original ending that the writer(s?) said "fine" and wrote the most edgy ending they could find, cobbled together by fan-wank 90s internet message boards. There was some good stuff in there, but yeesh. I wasn't much a fan of it.
I far prefer the show ending. It was weird, but it felt more in line with the trajectory of the show.
The first half of EoE was based on the original storyboards for episode 25 (if you rewatch episode 25, you can even see some movie scenes referenced there), although the second half was original.
That does make some sense. The first episode of EoE seemed more in-line with where I thought things were going. It's the second part where things went sideways for me.
Maybe my distaste for the back half comes from not fully understanding what was going on. Going to read up on it a bit and hopefully revisit it later.
EoE admittedly is a lot to take in. But to put it very simply:
Yes, I realize how silly it is to say that that is putting it briefly, but it is haha. I also realize that this explanation may still make very little sense and/or not change your mind on the ending. I'm just a humble fan putting forward the most commonly held interpretation of it all.
The ancient organization Seele wanted to eliminate human suffering caused by the divisions and misunderstanding between people. They essentially wanted to make the ultimate "tower of babel" so that perfect understanding and harmony would be achieved. Their twisted way of interpreting how to do that was to return all Earth life to its original state, that of a single composite soul, and an amorphous goop of primordial ooze. With everyone's souls merged, logically there would be no war, death, or sadness.
They maneuvered events such that Shinji became the trigger for this by pushing him to a point of absolute despair, which lead him to wanting himself and the world to die. This was interpreted quite literally by the catalyst for this process, the ascended and merged form of Rei and Kaworu (in other words, Lilith and Adam, the origin of human and Angel life respectively, as Misato explained in the movie), and so they fell right into the plan Seele set up.
Everyone was made into one, and during the transitional phase something between madness and pure bliss was felt in this state, hence all the creepy sexual imagery. Shinji eventually realized that a world without divisions between people was meaningless, as without others, the self cannot know joy, or sorrow, or anything at all except its own infinite being and nothing else. What is there to strive for in a world without strife? What joy can be found if you are the sole existence in your universe? (these revelations happen in, and are more deeply explored in EoTV, which many theorize happens in the middle of EoE, including myself)
Thankfully, because of the extreme long shot gamble Yui Ikari (Shinji's mother) made shortly after he was born, Shinji was able to change instrumentality even after it had been forced upon the world. Yui is implied in the flashback episode to be related to Seele in some way iirc, and likewise we can surmise she knew of their intentions. So she made sure to be the one to transfer her soul into Unit 01, since she knew it would be used as an important key in instrumentality.
This, along with Rei and Kaworu's own desire to let Shinji have a choice in the world that would come, allowed him to undo some of the damage he had done. Namely, by allowing a "backdoor" out of instrumentality, if anyone felt the same pointless ness of existence as part of the composite soul of humanity, and wanted to return to the physical and mortal world again, they were given the option to do so.
The final scene takes a lot of thought to wrap one's head around, and it certainly flies a bit in the face of the somewhat positive ending just before it where Shinji accepts the pain of living for the chance of experiencing its joy as well. Suffice to say that things won't be easy from here on, but the possibility exists for life to get better, and humans now have the choice between immortality as a single unchanging being, and to live as they were if they want.
They maneuvered events such that Shinji became the trigger for this by pushing him to a point of absolute despair, which lead him to wanting himself and the world to die. This was interpreted quite literally by the catalyst for this process, the ascended and merged form of Rei and Kaworu (in other words, Lilith and Adam, the origin of human and Angel life respectively, as Misato explained in the movie), and so they fell right into the plan Seele set up.
Everyone was made into one, and during the transitional phase something between madness and pure bliss was felt in this state, hence all the creepy sexual imagery. Shinji eventually realized that a world without divisions between people was meaningless, as without others, the self cannot know joy, or sorrow, or anything at all except its own infinite being and nothing else. What is there to strive for in a world without strife? What joy can be found if you are the sole existence in your universe? (these revelations happen in, and are more deeply explored in EoTV, which many theorize happens in the middle of EoE, including myself)
Thankfully, because of the extreme long shot gamble Yui Ikari (Shinji's mother) made shortly after he was born, Shinji was able to change instrumentality even after it had been forced upon the world. Yui is implied in the flashback episode to be related to Seele in some way iirc, and likewise we can surmise she knew of their intentions. So she made sure to be the one to transfer her soul into Unit 01, since she knew it would be used as an important key in instrumentality.
This, along with Rei and Kaworu's own desire to let Shinji have a choice in the world that would come, allowed him to undo some of the damage he had done. Namely, by allowing a "backdoor" out of instrumentality, if anyone felt the same pointless ness of existence as part of the composite soul of humanity, and wanted to return to the physical and mortal world again, they were given the option to do so.
The final scene takes a lot of thought to wrap one's head around, and it certainly flies a bit in the face of the somewhat positive ending just before it where Shinji accepts the pain of living for the chance of experiencing its joy as well. Suffice to say that things won't be easy from here on, but the possibility exists for life to get better, and humans now have the choice between immortality as a single unchanging being, and to live as they were if they want.
Yes, I realize how silly it is to say that that is putting it briefly, but it is haha. I also realize that this explanation may still make very little sense and/or not change your mind on the ending. I'm just a humble fan putting forward the most commonly held interpretation of it all.
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Will Unit 01 finally destroy that lame Unit 13? Will we learn more about the four Adams?
Will Ramiel make it to school on time?
Will Ramiel make it to school on time?
You know if you took Shin Godzilla's basic layout you could make a relatively cheap Eva live action movie that could be decent.
The second half is telling the same story as the tv ending, it's just showing Third Impact on the outside while the tv ending shows how it's playing out in the characters' heads.
On my last rewatch I actually came away, for the first time, preferring the TV ending to EoE. Even though they're getting at the same thing, the tv ending feels more measured (Shinji unsure of his worth and whether there's a place for him in the world vs. Shinji despising himself and ordering everyone to die as he dies) and optimistic. Even though the outcome is the same, the tv ending feels like growth, like Shinji worked to come to a realization about himself, while the end of EoE almost feels like resignation (and because the lead-up is so much bleaker, Shinji's turn at the end feels abrupt). I think the biggest difference though is that because the tv ending gives you so much time in Shinji's head you get to hear him work through his shit. Whereas in EoE, Shinji is not really much a player at all; he's catatonic for the first half, spends most of the second half screaming, and then his head trip doesn't last for much more than 5 mins. Like he just doesn't do anything for the movie.
I love EoE but the tv ending feels like a more complete conclusion to the journey imo.
This is why putting them together is best hehe. There are versions of this concept that exist, such as Concurrency of Evangelion although I haven't watched that one since my brother and I've made our own and I don't want to unduly influence myself with another interpretation before I can release ours.
Has it really been nearly a decade since that last one came out? Man, where did the time go? And it's gonna be awhile for the subs (fansubs at least are out).
Did Funimantions release the Rebuild include original special features or just either their own crap or barebones editions?
Did Funimantions release the Rebuild include original special features or just either their own crap or barebones editions?
It's gonna be fucking awful trying to dodge spoilers of this for the eternity it will take for us to get a western release.
I'm preparing myself for that mentally and so anything above it will be a plus to me.
Definitely. I've said it before, IMO Rebuild is where the whole trend of — "It's a 'remake'... lol no, it's actually a sequel — surprise motherfuckers" trend actually started. We'll have to see exactly how that plays out and if they want to explicitly **confirm** it though...As for the theory. I don't see how you have lines like this and not have it be a sequel.
...because tbh this is the only thing I'm truly expecting — a buttload off new questions and maybe even some multiverse shenanigans or some shit so they can keep the franchise going.
I'm preparing myself for that mentally and so anything above it will be a plus to me.
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That's cool, I just want a place to let it all out.
I remember in the old place the spoiler thread for 3.0 was nuts.
I'm seeing people on Twitter saying the movie premieres in a few minutes, maybe we wait another couple hours to be sure the spoilers are real?
The subtitles and descriptive audio leaked already via a hearing/visually impaired app.
