I'm merely pointing out that by definition, what happens at the very minimum in all dairy production cannot be called 'humane'. We might call euthanizing someone who is in great pain and has asked, of sound mind, to be allowed to die, a humane killing. We might call putting a pet to sleep when they are suffering greatly and cannot speak a humane killing. Slitting a cow's throat because it was born a boy or because it no longer makes enough milk cannot be considered humane.
It's in the spoiler.
I was just adding to the point in your post.
I read the spoiler, I wanted to see if there was anything here beyond that, of note.
You're not lactose intolerant, you're just not a baby cow/goat
That is what the video is about.
Ethical dairy or meat is not a thing, imo (hence why I've always written it in quotation marks), as it directly exploits animals and often ends in death. It is no longer necessary for many of us, at all. There is no solution where animals are directly being exploited that will satisfy the vegan philosophy, so we'll have to agree to disagree there.
That is the same thing, ultimately. The video is simply the extreme end of the suffering that supporting these systems cause.
I feel like veganism will greatly expand once vegan cheese that isn't gross or weird starts to become more prevalent.
It's not, it is not humane in any way to raise a living being for exploitation and slaughter.
you're shifting the blame. i pay for the product, it's up to the farmer to treat his animal well. if he doesn't there should be a law that fines him for not doing it so
would you be fine with the complete extinction of cows, pigs and chickens? just curious don't take it as an attack
Everything you just said applies even more so to animal agriculture, and on top of that you have the intentional abuse and killing of billions of sentient creatures. As we have no requirement to breed, exploit and kill animals, we are choosing to cause intentional harm and far greater harm overall for our own pleasure and convenience. This position is functionally the same as the guy who goes out and runs over dogs in his car and says "you can't criticise me because sometimes you accidentally hit something during your commute".
If you buy outside of local sources, you are supporting an industry that need a certain efficiency to meet demand. One that always results in suffering. From the extreme we see in the video, to the more regular suffering detailed in this thread.
Animals have gone extinct before. We could also still raise some if we wanted to conserve the species, as we do with other animals.
Haha, yeah, I've had to get a lot of new clothes. I don't mind, I feel so much better now. And through this process I also realized that I was likely lactose intolerant for a long time. Digestion issues completely disappeared when I made the change.
Do you feel the same way about dogs bred for fighting? At the end of the day, killing an animal that led a good life seems more of a betrayal than putting one out of its misery. At least the dog probably wanted its suffering to end.
I strongly disagree. I think it would be better for many of these animals to not live a life of suffering in the industries, at all. Being raised to live under exploitation and suffering to eventually be killed is not something we should champion as good thing just because "they got to exist".
It very much could be in time if technology developments allow it.
I don't know about cows or pigs, but factory farmed broiler chickens cannot really survive as a species because we've bred them to be so grotesque they can't breed properly and have short lifespans. Along with constant joint pain.
Then we will have to agree to disagree, because, unless it's absolutely necessary, I believe the exploitation and killing of animals for their produce is 100% untethical.
There are many things wrong with that, as discussed in this thread. Unless you need meat due to geography, climate, medical reasons, etc... your choice to continue to consume meat for pleasure is unethical and wrong.
Actually, you've done this exact thing before on this forum when I posted about the importance of channeling support to ethical food sources vs these barbaric commercial operations, only to have you accuse me of being "part of the problem". If anyone's getting their rocks off feeling superior, it's you, self-appointed, fire-and-brimstone prophet of veganism. (I haven't even brought up your ad hominem-style remarks about me in various movie threads.)
Bullshit
Why do you automatically take it for granted that ethical consumers such as myself haven't cut back considerably from levels of consumption closer to that of the destructive average? I guess if you hold yourself to be some special, crusading paragon, it would just be natural that your targets are all unenlightened barbarians.
