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This fetishized in-game ad from Cyberpunk 2077 raises some questions about how the game may depict LGBT (NSFW) [See Staff Post Before Posting]
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In a world all about cyber enhancements becoming the norm etc, it more likely to be a prosthetic.
Do we have more context for the photo besides it being an ad in a dystopian cyberpunk future? The reaction here seems way overblown. I am part of the LGBT community and I am not ready to jump to any conclusions regarding the photo. This is a potentially hundred-hour+ long game and we're going to sit and nitpick one photo in a game with no idea how it fits into the entire world? At this point, it seems people are ready to throw pitchforks at CDPR. If you don't want to buy the game because of their previous behavior as a company, then sure, that is totally valid. This seems to be grasping for anything to hate them for though.
If only ads in our world were so bold. Can you imagine a trans person being stylized/the figure head of something like red bull or Bang? Tbh this poster seems progressive moreso than phobic.
Futhermore the "mix it up" tagline I really feel like thats got more to do with the drink flavors but I can see how that might be offensive, however without context it's truly difficult to say.
It's a good find though OP for sure something to keep an eye on in the future.
Futhermore the "mix it up" tagline I really feel like thats got more to do with the drink flavors but I can see how that might be offensive, however without context it's truly difficult to say.
It's a good find though OP for sure something to keep an eye on in the future.
Because the implication of the image is that transgenderism is 'mixing it up'
Its like some of you can find 6000 conspiracies where game devs are fucking you by making you pay for DLC, but suddenly everythings a coincidence when it comes to Sexism, LGBT issues or Racism
Ah yeah, totally, wouldn't kill for them to give context right now, but I'm pretty sure they won't. I use the "wait and see" because knowing CDPR they will remain silent about this until they reveal more of the game at their own pace, mostly in video/hands-on form, nothing written.
There had better be a narrative element directly rebuking the fetishization of trans identities in this setting, else CD Project is gonna have a tough time convincing me that this imagery is directed against the system that objectifies and systematically oppresses trans people and is not just cheap "exotic" world building flavor made at the expense of a vulnerable minority.
It's a video game I still want to play and I'm still excited for it. But they have some pretty weird stuff in here.
I'm sorry and I don't mean to come off as crass or ignorant but does authorial vision mean nothing? Universes don't all have to be squeaky clean utopias where there aren't issues.
I'm also not keen on the idea that we're so quick to point toward this one in game thing being transphobic. It's an advert in a game about fetish and excess and transhumanism and body modding.
I'm certainly sympathetic toward how mistreated minority groups are but everyone here has been so quick to deride this as transphobic yet no-one actually has context for this image.
I wouldn't give CDPR the benefit of the doubt given their history but I just am just not seeing the inherent "transphobic" content of this ad.
I always imagine posts like this being written by a 5'7" toddler
Sorry, but Idk what is wrong with that picture. Are you telling me it is wrong for a guy to dress like that for a futuristic punk city's advertisement?
Imo there isn't just one way to be trans. There are some trans ladies out there who engage in this fetishisation and some who completely don't. I think it fits in with the in your face advertising of a cyberpunk future. That said, I'm not trans, so I can't speak for trans people. I think the bigger issue is this in context of the previous issues around CDPR. Like somebody above said, if this was in an Attwood novel, nobody would think twice about it.
Tbh it just seems like a more overtly sexualised version of "Red Bull gives you wings!" than anything. I doubt they've put that much thought into a throwaway fake advertisement.
Perhaps, but this doesn't really have much to do with actual gender fluidity. If it did then it wouldn't be using an unrealistically large penis bulging out of tight clothing.
A trans person, yes, but a trans person with the biggest dick in humanity's history on full display? Might as well put Big Gay Al from South Park at the head of a gay pride campaign.
And the "mix it up" tagline is to do with the drink flavors, but they're reinforcing it by showing the "mix up" of a woman with a big dick. That's what advertising tends to do; "Red Bull gives you wings" isn't meant to be taken literally, for example.
I see, that makes sense. It still could be nothing though. But well, I guess it's better for everybody if it gets changed.
Also for those saying it might be a prosthetic, it's still way too anatomically incorrect lol, a penis doesn't have such a low pubic implant place.
I'm a bit confused too. Isn't it good that they have transgender people on a sexy poster to sell energy drinks like we have hot women selling energy drinks today? Like it's normal and accepted to be transgender in Cyberpunk? Or is it bad because they fetishize it?
I totally get why people are not giving CDPR the benefit of the doubt here based on past issues.
I sure as shit would not give Rockstar the benefit of the doubt if this had been their game.
I sure as shit would not give Rockstar the benefit of the doubt if this had been their game.
Didn't get it until I saw the outline. Wow... I am extremely excited for this game and extremely concerned. How the fuck did they think this was acceptable? They need to start paying some PoC and LGBTQ consultants fuckin' quick, because they're obviously incapable of being thoughtful about marginalized groups as they keep proving.
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Why is it a fetish? If that's how someone wants to be expressed who are you to call it over sexualized?
If this thread is outraged because a girl has a penis and NOT the tag line, then I think there is a different phobic issue at hand.
To assume it's purely being sold as a sex fetish is a huge jump. It looks purley like a red bull ad.
Objectification of trans people isn't progressive at all, though. This is like saying having a semi-naked woman in an add is a good thing because she's the face of a big company.
It's like saying that PS Vita ad is feminist.
The person in the ad does not exist and therefore does not have the free will to make that decision. The ad is purely objectifying.
Lets ask the drawing it's opinions. How did the drawing feel being fetishized for straight people?
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To each their own, some go out of their way to find issues and nitpick stuff. Call me naive, I'm not even sure what the ordeal specifically in this case is:
A poster of a supposed female with an erected penis in a cyberpunk world where we've seen people hack into the web by plugging in a wire into their head, where someone's arm turns into a knife with a flicker of their wrist.
Unsure what people are going for with context is important, you're right it is important which is why CD Project should be aware of the context of LGBT in media before going for something obviously so myopic and tactless.
There are a few previews of CP also suggesting racism in some of the depictions of characters and language.
Yeah I just saw those earlier which just further cemented this as them not giving a fuck
So I think CPR's intention is making this ad to be played for laughs, but to a point, I think LGBT+-culture will be fetishized and marketed by companies in the future while also still othering the people in the mainstream.
Edit: This is already the case for a lot of things being lifted and popularized from black and queer culture but being given no credit.
Edit2: Also I don't mean to paint body modification and gender alignment surgery as some fashion statement of trans-culture, but I think it will be pushed as such by marketing firms to popularize it which warps the reasoning of why an actual trans-person elects for the surgery into a trendy fad fashion statement.
Edit: This is already the case for a lot of things being lifted and popularized from black and queer culture but being given no credit.
Edit2: Also I don't mean to paint body modification and gender alignment surgery as some fashion statement of trans-culture, but I think it will be pushed as such by marketing firms to popularize it which warps the reasoning of why an actual trans-person elects for the surgery into a trendy fad fashion statement.
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so basically out rage culture and assumed negative intent it is... in a future obsessed with body modification you are all imagining a message behind an unrealistically big dick on a women
you realise dick girls are a very common fetish and that in a world where people can shave their body as they like some fetishes are gonna come to life, be it dick girl or cat girls or anything else, but you people have to think it's an attack on trans people.
Defenses of "it's a cyberpunk game, everything is supposed be shitty and wrong" are bad. Cyberpunk is a criticism of the failings of society in a sci-fi setting. You know, punk. Counterculture. Drawing a huge dick on a woman isn't a criticism of anything. It's just a shitty throwaway joke.
I'm confused why you're emphasizing PHOBIA. Just to make sure we're on the same page here, this is the definition of the word transphobia:
It doesn't literally mean "being scared of trans people." They're not ghosts.
The trans woman with a bulging erection is such a transphobic, and even porny, trope that even if CDPR didn't have a history of transphobia I'd be wary of this fake ad. I've had to live my life watching trans women get ridiculed for having a dick and jokes being made on the "shock value" of having a woman with a bulge. It being a fetish doesn't make it better lmao you fucking dumbass
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