Normally would agree but everything related to ps5 trailer view count is news, sooo
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This fake E3 month sucks because there's no curation (Guerrilla Collective, Future Game Show, PC Gaming Show)
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So like not one of you have discussed OP's Other issue and my MAIN issue, the repeats
Any time a game is repeated could have either been time saved or could have gone to another game.
Is it really that hard for planners to be like "oh shit you're showing that game off too? Let's try to show something else?" Can't help but feel people are still getting left out when they shouldn't be.
No shit Holmes, that's not an excuse. If there isn't that much new stuff to show that's great, end it earlier and don't drag it out!
Op mentioned that Curation was important and none of you have disproved that. Curation did happen, but the issue here is that it lacking, not non existent.
Any time a game is repeated could have either been time saved or could have gone to another game.
Is it really that hard for planners to be like "oh shit you're showing that game off too? Let's try to show something else?" Can't help but feel people are still getting left out when they shouldn't be.
No shit Holmes, that's not an excuse. If there isn't that much new stuff to show that's great, end it earlier and don't drag it out!
Op mentioned that Curation was important and none of you have disproved that. Curation did happen, but the issue here is that it lacking, not non existent.
The PS5 show had a ton of indies.
It did not make any BLM statements during the show.
And to be fair the indies Sony showed mostly looked AAA.
First: Calling those games shit is the real shitty move.
But I don't think disliking the videos because you are shown games you don't like is a problem either. They're "selling" this as different PC gaming shows when they are not. They are a collection of different Indie Game shows, but I suspect they don't want to title them like that for marketing reasons. I know I wouldn't spend the 20 minutes I threw yesterday down the drain watching a reel of games I just don't care about. I won't lose a minute today, if something that's interesting to me gets announced between or after X minutes of indie games I don't care about I'll just watch the trailer later. But none of what I said means those games are shit. It's a critique of the show, not the games themselves. Also, the show may be good for people wanting to show their games to the public, but that doesn't mean it's enjoyable for the viewers.
But I don't think disliking the videos because you are shown games you don't like is a problem either. They're "selling" this as different PC gaming shows when they are not. They are a collection of different Indie Game shows, but I suspect they don't want to title them like that for marketing reasons. I know I wouldn't spend the 20 minutes I threw yesterday down the drain watching a reel of games I just don't care about. I won't lose a minute today, if something that's interesting to me gets announced between or after X minutes of indie games I don't care about I'll just watch the trailer later. But none of what I said means those games are shit. It's a critique of the show, not the games themselves. Also, the show may be good for people wanting to show their games to the public, but that doesn't mean it's enjoyable for the viewers.
It's a bunch of people working together, like Kinda Funny
There's been like 8 hours of streams this weekend from several outlets
No, this is what the OP said: " It's painfully obvious there was no curation at all". That is completely different from what you said.
To which many, including myself as someone who previously had a game at the PCGS, said that they are incorrect, and that there absolutely is curation.
I admit that these multi day large streams like IGNs, and the Guerilla Collective, i largely tune out and rely on media coverage to see the highlights. It's too much of a time investment, and too much of it is filler
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PC Gaming show last year announced Evil Genius 2, shown the first look at Vampire Bloodlines 2, Chivalry 2, a new trailer of Shenmue III, announced the gorgeous CrisTales, and probably other stuff I forgot.
This year was mostly repeat, and listing the genres as they are hide that we've already seen most of those games either the previous years or at other shows. Again, the biggest announcement was a PSVita port that was available to buy 30 minutes before the actual show.
I don't know why you can't just say "none of the A and indie games interested me" and just leave it at that.
To be fair, even the Sony show had three games where the premise revolved around the main character dying and and coming back over and over and over.
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because no matter how much era people are willing to make a strawman and refusing to read a few lines of the OP keep saying that, it's not the case :)
I guess I read OP wrong then.
To be perfectly honest is seems to me that were just splitting hairs since we all know that there is a problem with the curation but ok.
OP should revise the OP
So showing a new trailer for an already announced game last year was okay because it was a game you were interested in, but not okay this year because you weren't
Gotcha
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Serious question tho, how many eyeballs do you think an indie game gets in these shows? you get a demo, or a trailer for a minute or so, and then its on to the next game, by the time the next game is on display, the previous game is already forgotten.
we had 3 massive indie game events on one day
June 13th
PC game show - 52 games shown in 75 minutes
Future game show - 35 games shown in 80 minutes
Guerrilla Collective day 1 - 44 games shown in 90 minutes
then on the 14th
Guerrilla Collective day 2 - 69 games shown in 120 minutes
that is 200 games in two days.. how much exposure do you think a game will get when its thrown at you like this.
There is no talk on any of these games because you need to watch a boringly presented show that is an hour to two hours long and you are lucky that you find a game you get interested in. its an overload to the viewer. I watched one of the easy allies reaction streams of one of these events and afterwards they maybe had one or two games they could talk about in a recap and they had issues even talking about those since it was such a dump of games (not in quality, but in load) that gets thrown at you.
I have not looked into this at all - just saw it in passing as I was waking up - https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020...-virtual-e3-condensed-in-a-single-handy-site/
Apologies if crap or insubstantial or problematic in any way. I did not read through it at all.
Edit - Guess I should tag OP - Passing Assassin
Apologies if crap or insubstantial or problematic in any way. I did not read through it at all.
Edit - Guess I should tag OP - Passing Assassin
Nah. For me since inception, the PC Gaming Show was the only part of E3 I actually tuned in for games and not to shitpost about big companies being way up their own asses. Didn't change much this year and I still enjoyed it.
Honestly, I feel like most problems with the other shows just come down to their lack of experience more than anything.
Honestly, I feel like most problems with the other shows just come down to their lack of experience more than anything.
I was excited to catch the streams, but I ended up tuning out shortly after the 4 non-descript card battling trailers which were all clumped in at the beginning of Guerrilla Collective Day 1. It really killed my enthusiasm for any of the other shows.
I honestly didn't even know there had been shows since the PS5 because I've heard absolutely nothing. That's a shame.
I mean, you keep telling people to read the OP, but you somehow seem to ignore all the people who have done so and are pointing out that your claim that there is no curation for these shows is objectively wrong. Weird how that works?
I think what can be even more helpful (if you are lucky) is the secondary/ knock-on effect of a games writer or influencer seeing your game at one of these shows, and having their interest piqued enough to follow up on it. Just being part of such a show by itself obviously isn't a guarantee that your game will succeed, but it can (if you are lucky) be quite helpful. Which is the best you can hope for, after all.
Did you watch last year's? Because it followed the same exact formula, complete with inspired and uninspired games.
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bruh
if the nitpick is to change "there's no curation" to "curation sucks", the point of the OP doesn't change and is still "curation should be much better"
yes, like all of the shows since the first one, and no, it was better, for the reasons i already said in an earlier post here
This thread seems to be made every single year
Didn't the one indie game that didn't look AAA, Bugsnax get panned for its graphics?
I think the hate is overstated. Advertising like this always helps but you bring up enough good points that these companies should carefully consider.
For example, it actually is a good idea to be present on as many of these streams as possible. No one expects most people to watch the same streams so it makes sense to maximize exposure. But because there is a risk of some people watching the same streams you don't want them publicly bad mouthing the game in front of those watching it for the first time.
The best way to resolve this is make sure you have different content.
Most games that did repeat used the footage like Haven. And even for me that was boring.
But there was some games that came out with an entirely different videos. Evil geniuses 2 had done that. More importantly for me Almighty Kill Your Gods had done this because the first video left a poor impression. Changing things up can help getting across your ideas.
For example, it actually is a good idea to be present on as many of these streams as possible. No one expects most people to watch the same streams so it makes sense to maximize exposure. But because there is a risk of some people watching the same streams you don't want them publicly bad mouthing the game in front of those watching it for the first time.
The best way to resolve this is make sure you have different content.
Most games that did repeat used the footage like Haven. And even for me that was boring.
But there was some games that came out with an entirely different videos. Evil geniuses 2 had done that. More importantly for me Almighty Kill Your Gods had done this because the first video left a poor impression. Changing things up can help getting across your ideas.
Your biases are apparent. Thanks for sharing your terrible Fox News distorted view point.
I love indie games, therefore I enjoy these shows. However, they need to space them out and be cognizant of what is in each. There is no reason to see the same game three times in a weekend. There is no reason to show 200+ games over a single weekend. Space it out. Do a show every month, allowing a game to be publicized closer to release. Seems like these shows do better with shadow drops as compared to "wishlist this and it may release later this year".
so guerrilla collective had the most games on a single day, 69, and that showing got 1500 views, total.
the first show, with 44 games had 2950 views .. that is very little exposure for 113 games
I have to add that the reaction streams like those of easy allies probably added far more than those core streams (edit: altho after checking, their PC gaming show stream only had 290 views) , but still I think these shows to more harm than good, especially when you have them piled ontop like this
Neither is thinking before speaking. If you're going to talk out of your ass and then being a dick about it, even when you're wrong, expect people to call you out on it.
This month sucks because we have real shit going on in the world that no video game announcement can take our minds of but also because this drip feed of games is stupid.
If this was any other year we would've already gotten console, games, price and maybe even date announcement for the PS5 and the XSX plus from EA, Ubi and every other big developer. Nintendo would have also shown their cards.
Anyone saying this is better is kidding themselves.
If this was any other year we would've already gotten console, games, price and maybe even date announcement for the PS5 and the XSX plus from EA, Ubi and every other big developer. Nintendo would have also shown their cards.
Anyone saying this is better is kidding themselves.
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Agreed. I don't mind having a ton of trailers in a fast paced show, that's why I tune in. I just note whatever's interesting and then wishlist the games on steam.
The issue becomes apparent when I note games for the third or fourth time in two days because they keep repeating trailers/footages.
I'm all for Indie showcases as I play and enjoy a bunch of them on the regular, but it does seem that the quality bar was much lower this year. There was some stuff in there that looked like actual shovelware peppered around (verging on asset flip vibes tbh).
But the PC focused showcases have always been indie games first and foremost. I don't get this sudden annoyance that they were 98% indie game showcases
my biases? but i agree with what they said
have you watched it? it was pretty direct
How dare smaller dev team get exposure like that, huh.
really, why are you whining about this? It's a good thing for the industry
really, why are you whining about this? It's a good thing for the industry
Dunno. I think people are missing the reveals and looking everywhere for something.
The thirst is real. Maybe.
Generally, if you're looking for a show that reveals the big flashy PC exclusives, Gamescom is your best bet. That said, there were still complaints during last Gamescom when there were apparently too many strategy and simulation games even though that's largely the last bastion of big budget PC gaming.
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You'd be dead if you were taking a shot every time a Souls-like or a Slay the Spire knockoff was shown.
They showcased some of the same games they had last year but everything was totally new content.
It's definitely unusual for the pc gaming show to have done this because this is the first time they ever did this but keep in mind this is something the bigger conferences do repeatedly and they too many times don't show anything new which is even worse.
Heck the PS5 event hyped up GTA5 even though they had nothing worth announcing.
These showcases and conferences need more than curation. They need better judgement on when and how to repeat showing off a game.
They need to show off new content to keep things fresh for enthusiasts and mitigate bad first impressions.
If a game gets repeated a year or 2 later it needs to have a firm release date that justifies that time slot being taken up after being shown off.
The one exception to this are first party games.
There were 100k+ viewers watching on Twitch on day 1 with the various restreams going on.
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Agreed as well. I said curation to use a general term but it's more trying to diversify content and pace well the shows between old and new stuff.
sure, still tho, its not a lot. especially with the amount of games. its easy to get lost in the crowd as an indie game and the same thing happens at these events.
now if it where a dedicated show during the summer, each friday, a new 10 to 15 games in a 30 to 45 minute stream like a nintendo direct, you would generate buzz for those 10 games each week. you can then give those 10 to 15 games a week a platform to shine on.
these events just felt like a truckload of games just gets dumped in a few days just to get rid of them, and barely anything gets picked up by the press or fans.
how many indie games form those shows have you seen discussed here?
I agree the repeat of trailers among the shows is probably the worse part, but also I figure they're probably not working together or anything.
My problem are splicing low energy 10-15 minute gameplay demos and talks between trailer showings. Other than that idk, I'm okay with what was shown these past days. I wasn't expecting a whole lot, but got a bunch of games added to my wishlist. PC Game Show felt the same as it ever was tbh lol
My problem are splicing low energy 10-15 minute gameplay demos and talks between trailer showings. Other than that idk, I'm okay with what was shown these past days. I wasn't expecting a whole lot, but got a bunch of games added to my wishlist. PC Game Show felt the same as it ever was tbh lol