I don't understand this. I always thought 64K demos are actually 64kB in size, where is this "technically 256 (of what)" larger than the OP demo?
Seriously curious.
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This demo is *256 bytes* big
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Seriously curious.
Those demos are 64 kilobytes in filesize while the demo in the OP is just 256 bytes in size. Thats 256 times smaller.
Its worth pointing out the difference in filesize because while the 64kb demos tend to look and sound stunning - the amazing thing about the 256 bytes demo is the fact that its actually running while beeing incredibly tiny in size. I doubt that you can go smaller than that.
Sure you can - a single routine from that intro should be way smaller than the whole package.
Music in demos these days is done with integrated synthesizers (used to be tracker modules with very basic waveforms or just MIDI IIRC). For example Tunefish, by Brain Control
Home
www.tunefish-synth.com
or V2 by Farbrausch
V2 by farbrausch - Synth (Analogue / Subtractive) Plugin VST
Features: 3 oscillators with sync - Osc1 (Saw/Tri, Pulse, Sin, Noise), Osc2&3: Tri, Pulse, Sine, Noise, FM, Ring Modulation. 2 filters -...
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Ahhh, yes indeed, that makes it clearer.
And +1 about how impressive this feat of an 256B executable is that actually displays animated graphics and plays sound!
I think that was pretty rare, no? Most 486 had 8MB.
I remember games coming out that required 8MB, but my parents had a 386 with 4MB. That sucked! You could still run the executable and the game most of the time, but it would just crash after a short while.
Also the same machine had a 'Turbo' button on the case that allowed me to beat MK2, by disabling it and cutting the processor speed in half (making Kintaro go slow-motion, haha)
For those who were into demos, in case you missed it, the holly grail was released some times back, the source code for Second Reality by Future Crew
github.com
GitHub - mtuomi/SecondReality: Source code and data of Second Reality by Future Crew in 1993
Source code and data of Second Reality by Future Crew in 1993 - mtuomi/SecondReality
github.com
Like others have said, RE2 was supposed to fit on one CD, but they overestimated how much space the audio would take and ended up having to put each campaign on a different disc. Anyone who's played the game can tell you that like 80-90% of the assets in each campaign are identical.
(source:https://www.denofgeek.com/games/resident-evil-2-accidentally-two-disc-game/)
If you're curious how the team pulled off fitting re2 on a cartridge, there's a great article you can read here:
Music in demos these days is done with integrated synthesizers (used to be tracker modules with very basic waveforms or just MIDI IIRC). For example Tunefish, by Brain Control
Home
or V2 by Farbrausch
V2 by farbrausch - Synth (Analogue / Subtractive) Plugin VST
Features: 3 oscillators with sync - Osc1 (Saw/Tri, Pulse, Sin, Noise), Osc2&3: Tri, Pulse, Sine, Noise, FM, Ring Modulation. 2 filters -...
Mind blown
For those who were into demos, in case you missed it, the holly grail was released some times back, the source code for Second Reality by Future Crew
GitHub - mtuomi/SecondReality: Source code and data of Second Reality by Future Crew in 1993
Source code and data of Second Reality by Future Crew in 1993 - mtuomi/SecondReality
And in case you don't know about this, here's Fabien Sanglard's excellent and detailed analysis of the source code: http://fabiensanglard.net/second_reality/index.php
I recommend his whole site.
i remember downloading a video from this scene I think, it was super duper small but it was a music video sort've thing with lasers coming out of a mountain and it was all in 3D, not that realistic looking but it was less than a megabyte! Wish I could find it again
What the everloving hell. Holy fucking shit, I cannot express enough how insanely impressive this. 256 bytes. Not even a damn kilobyte.
Check this out:
This program, that simply calls main and exits and does nothing else, is 36 times bigger than this demo.
I legitimately think it's a miracle that 4K demos get made. It's hard as hell to get a demo down to 4k. 256 bytes is another level. A couple of years ago, I wrote a PC Booter application from scratch, a micro kernel to teach myself how to boot my own code from the boot strap. My loader alone was like 10 KB.
Unbelievable.
How about this frame of reference for people to get how small this is: the maximum length of a single tweet is 280 characters, so you could fit the compiled code of the entire demo in a single Tweet.
(in fact, depending on what encoding Twitter uses, you may be able to fit it twice).
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I couldn't agree more. My assembly class was on the 68k and writing code for it is so clean compared to x86. The 6502 isn't bad either, but like you said, especially when dealing with the nes variant, you've only two registers and an accumulator, which can be difficult to work around for beginners. Start with a 68k, not only is the code nice and clean, but the documentation is phenomenal for a processor that came out in the 70s.
You mean the binary? The compiled binary is 256 bytes. The assembly code, even with comments removed, is larger than that.
Nope didn't know about this, he made nice books on Wolfie and Doomidoomdadidoom, i'll check it out.
[removed my comment :P i need to refresh, i 'll check it out full , should be interesting]
Yeah, I meant the binary, sorry. I didn't know how to get across "binary code" without people thinking of a tweet made of 0s and 1s in actual text, but I made it worse. :D
That is pretty amazing for sure!
Hehe, i also remember when games started to require 8MB of RAM. I specifically remember wanting to play Destruction Derby from a demo CD that i had. I (or my family rather) got 8MB RAM extra one christmas. I think it was like $220 or something, and that was more money back then than what it is now. Totally worth it though hehe =)
I actually have no idea if it was rare or not, i never checked into that, but our 486 DX2 66MHz came with 4MB of RAM. That was back in 1994. Many games at that time did run fine with 4MB of RAM.
Hehe, i also remember when games started to require 8MB of RAM. I specifically remember wanting to play Destruction Derby from a demo CD that i had. I (or my family rather) got 8MB RAM extra one christmas. I think it was like $220 or something, and that was more money back then than what it is now. Totally worth it though hehe =)
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Yeah 4MB was common even for a DX2 in 1993, so that's what you inherited in 94 :) ... but damn Strike Commander recommended 8MB... i skipped the 486, jumping from the 386 to the pentium 75 (what a jump) but i suffered until i got it.
Funny, i made a lot of demos on my old 386 that were going slow (specially 3D) ... but with the side effect they ran "butter-smooth" on the 486.
By the way, question to those who coded back in the days...
I was a Turbo Assembler devout, anyone else preferred it to MASM ?
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Always loved the demoscene mentality of making hardware do what was previously thought impossible, fitting tons of content into highly optimized code, using tricks and sleight-of-hand to persuade viewers into seeing more than they were, the competitiveness that brought out the best and most creative work between rivals, etc. The quality of art and music were just staggering too. Some of Peachy's work is seared into my brain, like this one...
...as are the tunes of so many .mod composers. Damn, time to dust off my old collection!
...as are the tunes of so many .mod composers. Damn, time to dust off my old collection!
This is seriously awesome I can't say much more really, KKrieger was already something but this, wow o.o
And seeing all the old PC talk makes me remember the good old Win95 clouds and:
Nothing about nostalgia overload in the morning :P
We used to have a Pentium 100mhz PC with I think 32mb RAM, a 100-500mb HDD and a CirrusLogic 3D Accelerator and a Sound Blaster 16, the details are a bit blurry in my memory but I remember being mind-blown as a kid when my brother installed Windows 95 for the first time after I only knew DOS back then.
And seeing all the old PC talk makes me remember the good old Win95 clouds and:
Nothing about nostalgia overload in the morning :P
We used to have a Pentium 100mhz PC with I think 32mb RAM, a 100-500mb HDD and a CirrusLogic 3D Accelerator and a Sound Blaster 16, the details are a bit blurry in my memory but I remember being mind-blown as a kid when my brother installed Windows 95 for the first time after I only knew DOS back then.