Asking liberals not to fawn over conservatives speaking out against Trump in any capacity is a big ask in this country, its basically porn for them even if they turn around and vote for the same policy.
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Think before you share that ad from The Lincoln Project
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I follow them on Twitter and they had a link to their podcast, so I decided to listen while I did some bounties in Destiny.
The first guest was a woman who started out describing how she opposed Obama and all of his policies... and that's when I noped out of it.
I know who they are, but right now, I'll take their ads and unfollow after the elections.
The first guest was a woman who started out describing how she opposed Obama and all of his policies... and that's when I noped out of it.
I know who they are, but right now, I'll take their ads and unfollow after the elections.
Rick Wilson got exposed last week as still rocking Confederate Flag camping gear while bashing Trump for being a racist. Just one of many examples of the #NeverTrumpers being absolute dogshit. For the Democratic candidate to have any sort of outreach to them would be a huge mistake. At most they are the briefest allies of convenience.
So you're saying don't share this? Seems criminal to not share it.
Did...did they just compare his entire presidency to erectile dysfunction? Fucking LMAO.
Trump is far deadlier than any normal Republican, right now we're allies, and they're literally making pro-Biden ads better than a lot of Democrats.
If we survive this we can argue with them again, but they seem to genuinely think a Democratic sweep is better for the country than a Trump second term. We're allies until this is over.
If we survive this we can argue with them again, but they seem to genuinely think a Democratic sweep is better for the country than a Trump second term. We're allies until this is over.
These anti-Trump GOP guys are useful tools rather than actual allies. Once their use is done they go back in the box with the rest.
Yea there is no way I will stop sharing these, this is the exact stuff that gets to Trump. Whoever makes these ads know exactly what they're doing
The people on this forum are not the target audience of the Lincoln Project. They have a very specific target audience in mind.
Lincoln Project's goal is to get moderate republicans in the suburbs to switch to Biden in the Presidential election, or not vote at all.
The thesis is that these moderate suburban conservative voters are very reluctant to vote for Trump, and so the ads are created with that audience in mind. They also think that many of these voters would ordinarily ignore these messages if they were coming from a democratic party campaign ad, but the fact that they come from disaffected republicans gives the moderate republican voters psychological permission to change their vote if they voted for Trump before.
To this end, they do the following:
- Run ads that target and bait Trump directly - on the assumption that if he watches them and says more dumb shit, it will alienate these moderate republicans even more (eg the #Trumpisnotwell ad)
- Run ads that hit Trump on his record as President (including the Economy, Pandemic response, constitution, racism and other errors), using language and tone that moderate republicans use (eg the Mourning in America ad)
You don't have to give them money, but until November 4 you better hope they succeed.
Lincoln Project's goal is to get moderate republicans in the suburbs to switch to Biden in the Presidential election, or not vote at all.
The thesis is that these moderate suburban conservative voters are very reluctant to vote for Trump, and so the ads are created with that audience in mind. They also think that many of these voters would ordinarily ignore these messages if they were coming from a democratic party campaign ad, but the fact that they come from disaffected republicans gives the moderate republican voters psychological permission to change their vote if they voted for Trump before.
To this end, they do the following:
- Run ads that target and bait Trump directly - on the assumption that if he watches them and says more dumb shit, it will alienate these moderate republicans even more (eg the #Trumpisnotwell ad)
- Run ads that hit Trump on his record as President (including the Economy, Pandemic response, constitution, racism and other errors), using language and tone that moderate republicans use (eg the Mourning in America ad)
You don't have to give them money, but until November 4 you better hope they succeed.
These people want all the hateful shit that all conservatives want, they just don't think Trump is smart enough to do it. They want to go back to the old days when Republicans passed hateful laws behind closed doors.
Getting rid of Trump is the best idea conservatives have right now, let's encourage them instead.
Sure, but fuck them. If they want to eat their own then let them. We take advantage for now and toss them to the side after it's over.
There are certainly valid reasons not to share the latest ad, chief among them is that it goes after his physical well-being. And that's never a good look, no matter how horrible the man is. And it also basically says, "Hey you're not a good president if you have a disability." The Lincoln Project does it because they want to get under Trump's skin, and they certainly did. And it serves a useful purpose for now.
We need all the soldiers in this fight we can muster. We don't have to agree with them on everything or most things, as long as we all agree that Trump has got to go. Our democracy is at stake.
We need all the soldiers in this fight we can muster. We don't have to agree with them on everything or most things, as long as we all agree that Trump has got to go. Our democracy is at stake.
Yep. And like it or not, we need those moderate republicans to turn. The idea that liberals can just ignore everyone else and still win presidential elections is a pipe dream that is not supported by history. Some people gotta flip. Appealing to moderates is important.
Right, once trump is out of office, I'll be right back to team "Fuck Joe Biden".
If they manage to nurture a healthy center right GOP after Trump is out of office, so be it. We'll cross that bridge when we get there.
The adage stays eternally true: There are no good Republicans.
I'm totally fine with various factions of the GOP fighting against each other, but they can all go straight to hell.
Society doesn't need, want, or benefit from conservatism is any way, ever.
I'm totally fine with various factions of the GOP fighting against each other, but they can all go straight to hell.
Society doesn't need, want, or benefit from conservatism is any way, ever.
They are easy allies of convenience until after election day. This argument that somehow we are legitimizing TLP as a platform of conservatism just because it is formed by conservatives, even though they do nothing to espouse conservative ideology and they really just aim their guns directly at DJT and the goons in the Senate that have enabled him, is laughable. No one is under any impression that we should take these guys seriously beyond how they attack Trump, which they do with unique effectiveness. Please correct me if I'm wrong though and show me how TLP is somehow inspiring people to become conservatives, or boosting the conservative platform in any way. 'They're made up of conservatives' isn't an answer.
Nobody is out there celebrating anyone for being in that party.
But right now, they're attacking the correct campaign in a way that other people either can't, or aren't, willing to do.
If on November 4th the current administration is a lame-duck one, then we can go back to making sure any flavor of Dubya-adjacent neocons get pushed out (because we didn't forget 2001 - 2008 or the great recession they caused).
But right now, they're attacking the correct campaign in a way that other people either can't, or aren't, willing to do.
If on November 4th the current administration is a lame-duck one, then we can go back to making sure any flavor of Dubya-adjacent neocons get pushed out (because we didn't forget 2001 - 2008 or the great recession they caused).
Lol uhhh liberals just spent 6 months kicking the shit out of leftists and poor people
But I guess they need moderate republicans like transphobe Rick Wilson
"The Enemy of my Enemy is my friend" doesn't mean you have to stop hating your enemy. It means you temporarily put your differences aside and work together to get rid of your common enemy before you go back at eachothers throat. Right now that common enemy IS Trump. So let them spend their money, let these ads go far and wide, and let them attack and propagandize their own base against their own candidate. It'll be a hell of a lot more effective than anything Democrats can ever hope to put together in a million years.
After November 4th passes, go back to fighting eachother. But this planet and progressive ideology around the world literally can not support another Trump Presidency with all the harm that comes with it. So do everything possible to turf the fucker and ensure his chances of re-election drop so far they turn negative.
After November 4th passes, go back to fighting eachother. But this planet and progressive ideology around the world literally can not support another Trump Presidency with all the harm that comes with it. So do everything possible to turf the fucker and ensure his chances of re-election drop so far they turn negative.
I'm so tired of the handful of posters who just post this shit over and over in every thread. The coalition of voters who nominated Biden is extremely diverse.
Did I say they weren't? I'm talking about powerful liberal voices not individual random people.
That's where I stand on the Lincoln Project. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily a friend, but they can be a useful tool against the enemies we happen to share. Doesn't mean we should join hands and sing Kumbaya with the never-Trumper Republicans, just that we can let others get their hands dirty for our own benefit here.
Also, I don't think many people here are. at least those that lean more Progressive and are minority groups are going to drop everything to trust "friendly Republicans" just because they are talkin' shit about Trump. For one, when you are of a group that has been kept down by people that lean Right, you tend to HATE them because of that. Something like in-fighting within the Republican Party isn't gonna saw black and brown people who have been kept down in America because of the many Right-leaning politicians keeping in place the racist framework of hundreds of years past, "just because... Tradition! Gotta keep the white man up and others down! God Bless AMERICA!!". If there is anybody OP should preach to, it's the wishy-washy Centrists.
Liberals hate socialists more than fascists, etc.
You know the deal.
nothing again you personally. i don't know you. But I do see people trashing any criticism from left, Bernie bro's, etc. with more vigor than they do never trumpers.
Gosh, I'm glad you have this thread to get this particular fantasy off your chest.
Mathematically, its impossible to win a presidential election with the support of leftist alone. There simply arent enough leftist voters. That's what people mean when it mentioned that moderates are needed.
Infact, liberals winning the 2020 election, a redistricting year, would present a golden opportunity to a more leftist agenda to start gaining ground.
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I won't be donating to them, but seeing as our goals are temporarily aligned, I'll think of it as an "enemy of my enemy" situation for the time being.
Of course if Trump gets the boot, they will refocus their efforts on getting a Republican elected who will share most if not all of the current Republican Party's ideological goals. The party that's enabled Trump every step of the way in furtherance of their own goals (tax cuts, deregulation) and election chances (lest the MAGAphiles turn on them). That's refused to hold him accountable at any point. And I won't be with them on any of that. But if their videos are effective in changing any minds on this year's election, I'd rather have them than not.
Of course if Trump gets the boot, they will refocus their efforts on getting a Republican elected who will share most if not all of the current Republican Party's ideological goals. The party that's enabled Trump every step of the way in furtherance of their own goals (tax cuts, deregulation) and election chances (lest the MAGAphiles turn on them). That's refused to hold him accountable at any point. And I won't be with them on any of that. But if their videos are effective in changing any minds on this year's election, I'd rather have them than not.
I think you missed how many Trump threads there are per day and how before Biden won practically nobody wanted Biden to win on the entirety of ERA. It was Warren and Bernie and Biden was favored even below Mayor Pete as I recall.
In fact I visit this website a lot and really anymore the only time people take issue with somebody on the further Left is when they say they won't vote for Biden, and I say to that, good, I will always take issue with that when Trump is president.
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