On this site everyone pretty much hates trump. Discussing bidens flaws is probably more productive as there are more people defending him here.
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Think before you share that ad from The Lincoln Project
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These ads have had a measurable impact. They've directly lead to the Trump campaign spending money in the DC tv market just to make Trump feel better.
They helped lead to Trump spending 15 minutes last night talking about how he could barely walk down a ramp.
This isn't for the base- its for his soft support that is looking for a reason to not vote for him.
That ad is perfection. I would be throwing money at their editors to poach them.
Everyone is aware of who they are.
That's what makes their ads and messaging so effective and shareable - because you can easily use it to say "look, it's not just the liberals who want him out - even those from his own 'side' of the aisle want him gone".
Yeah, in 2 years time they're probably not going to be fighting for the same things you are - but for the next 5 months, they're the enemy of your enemy.
That's what makes their ads and messaging so effective and shareable - because you can easily use it to say "look, it's not just the liberals who want him out - even those from his own 'side' of the aisle want him gone".
Yeah, in 2 years time they're probably not going to be fighting for the same things you are - but for the next 5 months, they're the enemy of your enemy.
Thankfully only people in my friend circle posting these ads are white liberals who also applauded when Pelosi ripped up Trump's speech or think the Trump Baby balloon is edgy. It's all about theatricality and performative woke nonsense to these people. Surface level understanding.
And you've made the calculation in your mind, that empowering people who have a history of oppressing our communities is worth it because we can't make our own videos to influence those people? Do we not all know already how ridiculous trump is?
again, this is such a shallow point to make. The only thing that's going to decide this election is voter turnout, not these videos that make us laugh at the wannabe dictator. The Lincoln project has gone from complete obscurity to massive social media presence and we are giving horrible people a huge platform to use in the future.
they are effective for two reasons.
1) they get under Trump's skin causing him to get desperate which makes him do even dumber shit
2) the ads mostly air on Fox News airing the terrible shit Trump does on a daily basis to moderate Republicans (this won't change their vote but it will likely make them stay home and not vote this cycle)
We really should be taking notes from their ads. There usefulness will run out when Trump is gone.
1. There are literally a billion ways to get under trumps skin.
2. we can do this exact same thing without empowering an oppressive group of officials who will use their platform to continue the same systemic injustice everybody here claims to be against.
The irony is we're actually the useful idiots giving them a platform
These ads will directly suppress Republican voter turnout. They are laser focused. Additionally, they're having the bountiful effect of distracting Trump's time and money because he easily gets his feelings hurt.
That's true, also this is just about defeating trump and having the only few conservatives that are against trump to fight him, the majority just follow him as they have no spines and no respect for anything but him
laser focused? You think moderate republicans give a shit about if Joe Biden jogged up a ramp in 2006?
Distracting trumps time and money? Have we been paying attention? When is he ever not distracted? Obama can fart and hell send 100 tweets about how he's never farted in his whole life.
no we really can't. A lot of times the messenger matters as much as the message. If these were ads from some group affiliated with Democrats there's a good chance fox would just turn down showing the ads or Fox News viewers would just shut it out once it's clear the ads are explicitly linked to Democrats.
Yeah, I thought the strategy was to go for all the moderates in this election. These ads definitely target those moderates who lean more right.
I can't believe that you really have convinced yourself that there's a way to convince his Fox News base not to vote. Moderate Republicans will dump trump because of the chaos our country is in, not some stupid videos on twitter and Fox News.
they'll dump him because of the economy, covid and their perceived chaos of how he's handling the racial justice protests.
again, even if there is some minor good to come out of this, it's not worth empowering these people who oppress our communities. I have not heard one of you explain why you're okay empowering our oppressors.
And more particularly it's about getting those right leaning moderates to want to stay home and not vote.
Disregarding your absurd reduction, yes they care. They've been embarrassed beyond belief for four years. Many of these Republicans held their nose in 2016 and pulled the lever. Many will not do the same in 2020. We're talking about a very particular group, the same type or Republican that helped form the Lincoln Project. The message is incredibly effective because of the messenger.
Do you not believe in the efficacy of campaign ads? You should.
Can you not be a racist now or something? Lol
Can you not hate trans people now or something Lol
Can you not want to rob women of agency over their own bodies now or something? Lol
Can you not want to deny queer people fundamental rights now or something? Lol
It sounds like you like the message, but just don't like the messenger, but the messenger is what's making these effective.
They don't want a Republican to be the next President, they want Biden.
So the end goal, for at least the next 4 years is a shared one.
Do you not think that there's a greater empowerment being provided to Biden here, considering what the purpose of the ads are?
people have short term memories. unless we're getting another spike of Covid just before election, protests are still occurring on the daily and getting worse near the election , and there are no stock market recoveries however minor during the final stretch to election, it's fair to say it'd be out of the mind of the right leaning moderate. Therefore, it needs to be hammered in constantly.
so... let's say just for arguments sake you're right and it influences that targeted group.
you are okay with supporting this platform? You understand these are the same groups who will be using this platform to prevent racial justice reforms? To create bad economic and immigration policy? To change those same minds you're talking about?
See my reply above*
it's about not letting the people who kill my people have a platform going forward
These groups already have money. They already have a platform (Fox News and Twitter) which is how these ads are currently being shared. At this point, it's about using their platform to ensure there's a future for progressive platforms. If trump wins again, that future is gone. There will be no racial justice reform. In fact, we will go in the opposite direction. There will be no economic justice, we will slip further into an oligarchic system.
Their ads are made for an audience of one and they work beautifully in that regard. The Trump campaign wasted $500,000 to run pro-Trumpy ads in D.C. so Trumpy would feel better. They started the BunkerBoy hashtag which made him so mad, he did that disasterous photo op in front of a church.
Then they got him to drink a glass of water at a rally and talk about RAMPGAIT again. They can get away with playing dirty because they aren't Dems who are always held to a ridiculously high and hypocritical standard.
TLP is brilliant and I'll go back to worrying about them once Trump is gone.
Then they got him to drink a glass of water at a rally and talk about RAMPGAIT again. They can get away with playing dirty because they aren't Dems who are always held to a ridiculously high and hypocritical standard.
TLP is brilliant and I'll go back to worrying about them once Trump is gone.
Think of it like this - their ads are super effective now because they're a Republican group targeting a sitting Republican president.
That novelty is part of the reason why people here like it, and why it may be effective at cutting through to people on the fence/intending to vote Republican out of habit.
I'm presuming that your fear is that once/if Biden gets elected, then they'll just about turn on him and target him.
But then their messaging loses its novelty, it loses its edge - then they're just a republican group targeting a democrat. A democrat that they've endorsed to be the next President.
If Biden gets elected nobody will care that Lincoln Project helped it happen. It's not their platform and political beliefs being pushed by the Biden.
lol Come on... now you're already in your mind empowering this bullshit platform by saying they're saving the future of the liberal cause? What?
yall, we can fight trump and win, without giving horrible people a platform to use against us going forward. I genuinely am shocked so many of you feel differently.
The "support" we're talking about is a social media share. As I stated earlier in this thread, moving the Overton Window is just as important to progress as moving the left alone. When Trump is destroyed, something will emerge. I'd rather it be TLP than Tom Cotton, personally.
I refuse to cut off my nose to spite my face.
Let me bring this up as well...
the whole fucking Republican Party was against trump in 2016. Literally all of them. And what did that do?
the whole fucking Republican Party was against trump in 2016. Literally all of them. And what did that do?
But you're ok with giving my killer his knife to stab me in the back
In the general election? No they weren't.
I don't even know what you are arguing at this point.
I mean, you can be. Nobody is stopping you. Doesn't mean Republicans aren't terrible given what we've seen from Republicans. Lol
No I'm just tired of people empowering an establishment that has spent centuries oppressing us
no they weren't. Past the oppo research done by Jeb during the primaries, none actually truly tried to go after Trump with anything more than soft jabs and even those were during the primary.
Unlikely.
The voting populous has already decided they're in favor of more incremental change and a return to "normal" rather than progressivism. At this point, I just want Trump out of office, and I'm not going to do purity tests on anyone who has the same goal. We can deal with them after Trump is done letting coronavirus destroy this country.
Dems need some moderate/Republican voters on their side if they're gonna take out Trump.
For now they're the ones spending the money on them, democrats might want hire the people making the videos for the future.
Yes be careful and knowledgeable of who is funding them but also appreciate that somebody else is attacking trump, as trump has changed the game and you can't be nice anymore.
Fight fire with fire
Yes be careful and knowledgeable of who is funding them but also appreciate that somebody else is attacking trump, as trump has changed the game and you can't be nice anymore.
Fight fire with fire
Well you all know how I feel, if you want it support a platform backed by that pile of shit, do your thing.
thank you for letting me say my part and mostly keeping it civil. Sorry if I got a little out of hand.
goodday my wife is mad I'm on my phone.
thank you for letting me say my part and mostly keeping it civil. Sorry if I got a little out of hand.
goodday my wife is mad I'm on my phone.
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