I'd also add an undeniable hatred of the poor combined with a lust for the rich
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Think before you share that ad from The Lincoln Project
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Very elegantly stated. If we are to make true progress, reshaping the opposing party to a position of sanity is part of that progress. There will be two parties for the foreseeable future, and the Overton Window must shift to achieve lasting change.
That's a bit of a strawman. Chaos Legion isn't celebrating Neo cons. He's acknowledging that to achieve your stated goal, the Overton Window must be shifted back to sanity. You can't jump from Trump to Centrist Democrats.
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The modern Republicans have never been sane.... Every single one of their Presidents have been monsters... and their nominees too
Conservative => racism, bigotry, prejudice
but not the converse.
Yeah man the people not wanting them Dems to be filled with Bush era neocons are just maniacally obsessed with purity and not as any rational human might be concerned with the prospect of these people essentially seizing most of the party levers as the fruition of our long consistent slope of always ceding political ground to the right over generations including a hyper-focus on electoralism which in effect serves to conveniently sequester and defang the political impetus that might otherwise go into direct action (which we are literally seeing rn).
Y'all are maybe just too used to being the dominant cultural narrative and maybe the constant drip feed of corporate media suffusing your cultural consciousness, concealing a lot of egregious stuff that the state does, and setting the hurdles so low you could effectively cross them without even picking up your feet, isn't actually helping you how you think it is. More than purity it's just the serious attempted effort to be ideologically consistent lol. I'm truly sorry that that's such a threat to some people.
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Its almost like you have pre judged conservatives.
there's lineage and decades of oppression & evil to judge the ideology on but go off
You're one or two posts from saying "Radical Left" and I'll have my bingo!!
I don't see why The Lincoln Project's conservative origin should matter. Unless they're actively supporting awful causes with the money they raise, it's hard to consider their ads as anything but a net positive.
The ads attack Trump in ways that undermine his messaging and expose his hypocrisy. They're speaking the language of his base, which is a much better angle than appealing to their humanity or trying to let grim facts to speak for themselves, for obvious reasons.
Trump's cult of personality depends on the persona he projects in public, a cruel idiot's version of a strong and competent man, which is really nothing more than a swaggering, blustering bully. The ads expose him as the feeble pushover he is.
The ads attack Trump in ways that undermine his messaging and expose his hypocrisy. They're speaking the language of his base, which is a much better angle than appealing to their humanity or trying to let grim facts to speak for themselves, for obvious reasons.
Trump's cult of personality depends on the persona he projects in public, a cruel idiot's version of a strong and competent man, which is really nothing more than a swaggering, blustering bully. The ads expose him as the feeble pushover he is.
I can't believe in the year of our lord 2020 we have people trying to convince us that after generations of conservatives actively fighting against every minority and LGBT group people are still trying to convince us that conservatives can change. If conservatives would change, they'd stop being conservatives.
If wishes were horses.
Conservatism isn't going to just disappear. I would rather the opposition party not fall into the hands of tea parties for progress to be stalled for the betterment of the country.
Both examples of items that are deeply engrained in religions across the world and further intertwined with those from non-secular backgrounds.
I mean, the Democratic nominee is a deeply religious Catholic. Who has supported abortion rights at the cost of his faith/religion (how many times has he been refused the Sacrements)? There's a deeper conversation about religion behind this that I'm not going to entertain, but I don't necessarily assume all conservatives are shitty people simply because of what they were raised to believe.
I strongly disagree with them but also will not generalize all religious people / socially conservative people as shitty individuals.
It's amazing how you managed to interpret my post to mean the opposite of what it actually meant because you were so excited to puke out that rant. Why don't you reread it and explain to me how it means I want the Dems to be filled with Bush era neocons.
I also enjoy how "electoralism" is the new pejorative meme that I'm going to be seeing every 20 seconds. "Those effete liberals who vote, how bourgeois of them."
You'll also have to explain to me about how not minding that Republicans are fighting each other means I want BLM protestors to go home.
You are like...ten years too late if you think the republicans haven't fallen into the tea party.
Again, if conservatives wanted to change, they'd abandon the label conservative.
Have you read the Republican platform?
Stopping gay marriage
Making sure companies can fire people cause they are LGBTQ
Limiting birth control
Limiting voting access
Limiting refugee and asylum cases
Limiting permanent immigration for work so we can pack the workers up and ship them back when not needed
Empowering law enforcement agencies that are disproportionately going after minorities
This is just some of the stuff they are willing to put forward and stand by.
These people aren't just content with keeping their beliefs to themselves, but rather want their religious beliefs enforced on others. What do social conservatives want from politicians and parties that they support if it isn't to push their shitty beliefs (and yes wanting anti-abortion enforced on women and wanting to oppress members of the lgbtq community through oppressive legislation are shitty beliefs)? And then you toss in conservative's hallmark hatred of the poor and down trodden, and you have an ideology that is abhorrent.
There's a reason why Canada's former piece of shit Conservative PM now sits as chairman for an organisation filled to the brim with Conservative assholes from across the world, who share a singular goal in getting parties that share their ideology elected into high offices.
International Democracy Union - Wikipedia
What a nice group of dipshits they have collected. The likes of the BJP, Orban, GOP, and the Tories all working together to spread their filth globally. It's nightmare fuel.
When, in the last half-century, have conservatives not supported the most toxic, hateful, and damaging positions and policies? When were they, as a group, on the right side of history regarding economics, foreign policy, science, education, minority rights and women's rights, the LGBTQ+ community, etc.
Climate change, the AIDS crisis, the Iraq War, creationism vs evolution in schools, abstinence-only education, gay marriage, LGBTQ+ discrimination, birth control, gun control, deporting immigrants, corporate lobbying, the COVID pandemic ... when did they get any of it right?
At this point in history, conservative means regressive. At least in the US.
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I don't agree with many of his policies and world views, but George H. W. Bush was certainly sane, and his failings were shared by most of the democrats of the time if we effort not to rewrite history. Returning the opposition party to actual intellectual conservatives would be a massive victory for progress. That doesn't mean we stop at neocons, just that it's a necessary step.
Well the Republicans (Trumps version of it), one could argue, are not really conservatives. Its some kind of weird unholy alliance of the Religious Right, anti Government viewpoints.
Trump is giving the Religious Right everything they wanted politically (mainly Judges) and he appeals to all the people that are so sick of the status quo of government.
The US has always been a bit weird. The elected politicians always seem to be more right than the actual population. This is probably due to how election finances are allowed.
So this election may be a one and done for voting Trump out. But after that happens, all these groups still exist and how the Republicans rebound will be interesting.
...Did we forget the atrocities George W Bush committed? If you are trying to go "Well the democrats were guilty too", uh no shit that's why Democrats also need to be called out for their shitty decisions.
Social conservatism is literally the definition of shitty wtf dude
How are the Trumpian Right not conservative? What do conservatives stand for?
Dude, your post didn't mean anything. The criticisms that one makes of their opponent is inherently a part of the political discourse because it's the stuff you think is meaningfully worthy of criticizing them on! This kind of shit is how we tacitly let conservatives set the frame of the discussion and then wonder why they seem to punch above their weight/demographic size w/r/t apparent political influence. What do you think is the result, in our politics, of constantly leaving the door open to the 'good' conservatives who are ultimately seeking to do everything awful that they ever did just quietly and politely behind closed doors? Thinking this shit is good isn't functionally all that different from all but calling Mitt Romney 'one of the good ones', or whatever other ghoul they're excited to whitewash today because he seems relatively nicer.
And you're talking pejorative memes when just bandying a vapid term like "purity testing" around. Cool. (Also, read a fucking book or something, ideally not of the kind containing magic or robots).
George H. W. Bush’s Presidency Erased People with AIDS. So Did the Tributes to Him
For many queer people who were adults during the first Bush Presidency, the week of commemorating Bush’s death has brought back the sense of living in a political reality separate from the rest of the country—an invisible one.
Looking Back On President George H.W. Bush's Legacy On Abortion
Former President George H.W. Bush is praised by anti-abortion rights groups but he once supported Planned Parenthood and began as a moderate, reflecting a larger GOP shift amid pressure from religious conservatives.
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"SANE"
Dick Cheney was his Secretary of Defense lol
Dan fucking Quayle was his VP
"sane"
I don't think going back to killing millions in the middle east is something america should strive for
lmao I also missed a letter. Sorry I'm dumb. George HW Bush was despicable but he's no W
...were all of those posts really just building up so you could argue semantics?
Geroge H. W. Bush was also not a good person. And if you want to push back further Reagan was an awful human being who killed off an entire generation of LGBT+ in the AIDS crisis.
"Sane"George H. W. Bush’s Presidency Erased People with AIDS. So Did the Tributes to Him
For many queer people who were adults during the first Bush Presidency, the week of commemorating Bush’s death has brought back the sense of living in a political reality separate from the rest of the country—an invisible one.www.newyorker.com
I am well aware of his devastatingly misguided positions and inaction in that area. I accounted for it clearly in my post.
Still waiting to hear your explanation of how realizing the value of Republicans putting their resources into attacking Trump instead of Biden, without approving of those Republicans ideologically, relates at all to your word salad.
And in response to your last sentence, allow me to remind you that verbosity and jargon do not equate to intelligence, which is unfortunate for you.
What is this even? The entire point is to embarrass Trump and not let him in for 4 more years. The people running it specifically hate Trump. If there is one motivation you can always count on it's hate.
I don't understand the purpose of this. Do you think we don't know the people behind this and their reasons? Is this another type of "purity test"? I don't care if Bush and Cheney run ads together if they hurt Trump.
I don't understand the purpose of this. Do you think we don't know the people behind this and their reasons? Is this another type of "purity test"? I don't care if Bush and Cheney run ads together if they hurt Trump.
The fact that you are pretending that he was merely misguided rather than actively malicious says more about you honestly.
They are useful for what they are. They are not for most progressives or liberals, they are effective for the wing of republicans that is looking for any reason to dump trump. They are a tool to be used to win in November.
Whatever it takes.
Whatever it takes.
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