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Things that NEED to be improved in Horizon: Forbidden West
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actually fighting a metal devil
the first game had a great build up for a final battle against that thing and then the last enemy is a...deathbringer
the first game had a great build up for a final battle against that thing and then the last enemy is a...deathbringer
- Cut the dialogue options and stiff cutscenes in favour of something that feels a bit more premium.
- Improve some of the performances
- Work out those shiny-ass skin shaders.
- Find a better way to traverse the world than needing to find and corrupt a machine.
- More melee options
not every game needs romance. Romancing in games are a detriment not an addition.
ehh i dont get the hate on Aloy but im ok with her still as the MC or if they have to change her then make it part human/ part nanomachine MC and make the series even more bombastic and sci fi-ish for something radical
i really wanted flying mounts
i really wanted flying mounts
I'd say put it in! there's lots of games starring men where's there's a token romance but a ton of games with leads that are women don't get any ormance at all
But Aloy showed interest in other characters. Varl being the most obvious example.
It would fit her character and the game.
Agreed.
If they want to call it an RPG, make it an RPG. Give me either meaningful choices in narrative, in character build (better melee options for example), or both.
This. The most memorable story bits in the game were those you had no control over.
Also make an open world that's worth exploring.
Horizon has the most potential of any game franchise in all of video games. The foundation laid is tremendous. Improvements to obvious things like animation, mo-cap, and presentation aside (because it's a given), improvements I want are mostly gameplay related.
1) most tools should have a combat element and traversal element. For example, the rope caster should double up as a way to cross canyons/ravines, atop and across trees, etc.
2) interactive environments. I'm not saying the whole world needs dynamic elements, but having destructible rubble in spots, or triggering avalanches with sling bombs would be a cool idea.
3) some sort of aerial travel. Whether it is mounts, or a glider, having the option to travel by air is a must.
4) a real climbing mechanic, or improving upon Death Strandings traversal mechanic that requires planning and use of tools to get anywhere you see on the map. Designating preset climbing points and paths is dated. Let us approach the world as more of a sandbox.
5) better melee combat. This is self-explanatory.
1) most tools should have a combat element and traversal element. For example, the rope caster should double up as a way to cross canyons/ravines, atop and across trees, etc.
2) interactive environments. I'm not saying the whole world needs dynamic elements, but having destructible rubble in spots, or triggering avalanches with sling bombs would be a cool idea.
3) some sort of aerial travel. Whether it is mounts, or a glider, having the option to travel by air is a must.
4) a real climbing mechanic, or improving upon Death Strandings traversal mechanic that requires planning and use of tools to get anywhere you see on the map. Designating preset climbing points and paths is dated. Let us approach the world as more of a sandbox.
5) better melee combat. This is self-explanatory.
• Greater diversity in main quests/side quest missions
• Give NPCs some personality rather than having them all be mannequins
• Give NPCs some personality rather than having them all be mannequins
I would like to tame more mounts and even flying mounts towards the end of the game.
I would like to see human enemies have better AI as quite simply put it was trash tier in the first game, also would like to see npcs in town not look so stiff and not speak like robots and have better facial expressions.
New stances for combat and being able to use the enviroment against foes like pulling trees down on t-rexs etc
More side quests and more random powerful monsters that drop high end equipment.
More lore I really liked the flashbacks and playback so much more of that.
Either way I expect it to improve upon the original but damn if the above comes true it's potentialy game of the forever for me.
I would like to see human enemies have better AI as quite simply put it was trash tier in the first game, also would like to see npcs in town not look so stiff and not speak like robots and have better facial expressions.
New stances for combat and being able to use the enviroment against foes like pulling trees down on t-rexs etc
More side quests and more random powerful monsters that drop high end equipment.
More lore I really liked the flashbacks and playback so much more of that.
Either way I expect it to improve upon the original but damn if the above comes true it's potentialy game of the forever for me.
-human enemies should be smarter and feel like they have truly distinct AI from the machine enemies (who should be powerful but not that clever and not that good at teamwork). taking a cue from the NPC communication stuff from the last of us would help a lot here.
-melee combat doesn't need to become a huge deal, and they shouldn't add a lock-on, but a LITTLE more combo variety would be nice; maybe a gorgeously animated critical spear strike to reward you for a perfectly timed last second dodge
-the skill tree needs a big rework; a bunch of skills should've been given to you by default. on the other hand i'd love to see entire skill trees for powering up the Focus/shield armor/hacking spear.
-alterations to enemy conversion stuff; for a ton of reasons I think it'd be smart to kinda nerf this so Aloy can only have one truly friendly machine at a time (and the rest would just have to be aggroed with the less-overpowered corruption arrows), but also make it so that that one friendly machine is a big big deal (mount customization and mounts that follow you around as companions would be cool, and I think if Aloy is gonna be chatty when she's by herself it would be good to give her an AI companion; these things could all fit together nicely)
-equipment unlocks need to trickle out with story progress instead of being dumped on you as soon as you arrive at the main hub. I think the hunting/farming for ammunition is great but new weapons/armors are so impactful that they should be story/sidequest progress reward imo
-weapon/armor mods should be much more unique and qualitative and not just beefing up certain stats/resistances; players would develop favorite builds that aren't just about minmaxing one specific stat per item
-sidequest rewards should be way more unique and impactful than just experience and a box of cheap resources; making story progress and sidequest progress give you unique equipment and unique modifications would be great and help the game lean a little closer to 'adventure' game than to strictly numbers-oriented RPG
-yeah the climbing could probably stand to be better; I don't need a ton of verticality but I want better animations for getting over small ledges than hopping like crazy
-breath of the wild sorta stuff where you can start brushfires, etc would be cool
-melee combat doesn't need to become a huge deal, and they shouldn't add a lock-on, but a LITTLE more combo variety would be nice; maybe a gorgeously animated critical spear strike to reward you for a perfectly timed last second dodge
-the skill tree needs a big rework; a bunch of skills should've been given to you by default. on the other hand i'd love to see entire skill trees for powering up the Focus/shield armor/hacking spear.
-alterations to enemy conversion stuff; for a ton of reasons I think it'd be smart to kinda nerf this so Aloy can only have one truly friendly machine at a time (and the rest would just have to be aggroed with the less-overpowered corruption arrows), but also make it so that that one friendly machine is a big big deal (mount customization and mounts that follow you around as companions would be cool, and I think if Aloy is gonna be chatty when she's by herself it would be good to give her an AI companion; these things could all fit together nicely)
-equipment unlocks need to trickle out with story progress instead of being dumped on you as soon as you arrive at the main hub. I think the hunting/farming for ammunition is great but new weapons/armors are so impactful that they should be story/sidequest progress reward imo
-weapon/armor mods should be much more unique and qualitative and not just beefing up certain stats/resistances; players would develop favorite builds that aren't just about minmaxing one specific stat per item
-sidequest rewards should be way more unique and impactful than just experience and a box of cheap resources; making story progress and sidequest progress give you unique equipment and unique modifications would be great and help the game lean a little closer to 'adventure' game than to strictly numbers-oriented RPG
-yeah the climbing could probably stand to be better; I don't need a ton of verticality but I want better animations for getting over small ledges than hopping like crazy
-breath of the wild sorta stuff where you can start brushfires, etc would be cool
The fact that you and I are the same page gives me hopeless optimism that the devs also want what we want 😂 Come on GG!
Edit: also, I have another request, please take a page out of Metroids playbook and scatter upgrades throughout the world. Instead of a skill tree, rewarding exploration is the way to go (I don't dislike skill trees, just believe there are more interesting ways to utilize the beautiful world they create).
remove it from those games too. Romance in games is a trend that adds nothing, it's just shallow padding.
those resources could go somewhere else like.
-expanding the world
-better quests
-expanding the combat
Etc.
Honestly? Nothing. It was my second favorite game last gen after TLOU2. The intensity and variety to combat was really enjoyable and thrilling with the different weapons it felt and played like Ratchet and Clank on a bigger more epic scale. I wouldn't mind more interactivity with the NPCs but I recognize that they weren't out to make an RPG. It was more of an action game with large areas to explore. As far as what I hope for I would like to see 4k 60fps and obviously there will be new enemies to defeat. Any other new mechanics will just be icing on the cake.
- No 'worse than ME1' dialogue stuff.
- Make melee more viable, or at least on par with the DLC additions.
- No crafting bigger bags from grinding rng loot drops from foxes and turkeys like it's Far Cry 3.
- Do something about whistling.
- Have Aloy not talk for at least 20 seconds when walking about.
- Add BotW style climbing, or at the very least something like Sekiro's hook to navigate vertical spaces quickly.
- Maybe go the DOOM Eternal route and sort of force you to use your whole kit in combat, rather than go "here are all your elemental arrows and traps and slingshots but just hide in grass, whistle, get a stealth hit, then just either melee the hell out of a monster and stunlock it or shoot the right glowy weakpoint with the right arrow".
- Human enemies suck, scrap them or change how they work.
- Make sidequests more interesting than the "Timmy's fallen down the well' stuff HZD had.
I don't want all long range combat and think that's limiting.
A lot of situations called for just repeated arrow use and that can get old.
Make it less like a Far Cry game. I hated having to scurry everywhere for plants and rocks in order to craft stuff.
eh, taking out romance since most game romances are bad is like when games made escort missions have invincible escorts like in bioshock infinite and last of us because people don't like escort missions
why don't the people who write games just make them better?
I agree. I want melee just to remain a supplemental aspect. The fact all the different kind of traps and tools had good uses was a really unique part of how they focused on the ranged combat.
Yep thats a great idea, encourages the player to explore and to also be rewarded.
Also fingers 🤞
I'm guessing the people complaining about side characters are referring to the present sections. The past characters need you to uncover several audiopoints apiece to fill them out.
PS4 has a huge user base. They'd be silly to omit those players
I suppose if you're playing on easy that's the case but even normal in the later parts requires you to use every weapon in conjunction with one another or you get stomped unless you're really trying to cheese things using the stealth or "mind control" arrows. Personally I think the limitation of focusing on long range combat combined with the studios expertise in such things made for some of the best combat in an open world or just Western made games in general.
I've only played Uncharted: Lost Legacy but... yes. I'm usually not a fan. An option at least to turn it down or reduce it would be very nice.
They can improve fight against human, traversal, animation in gameplay(they wanted to do R&D on motion matching), economy , they will improve the current world story knowng the first was to established Aloy as a character, improve the open world and tons of other things.
They explained at GDC 2018 what they can improve in this video and other one. They know exactly what they need to do to improve the game.
They know it was a weakness of the first game. This team was created for the second game.
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Human enemies were a chore. Not sure what's the best way of fixing that, maybe add some batman-esque gadgets? Lol
I quite liked the bow focus- because Aloy is a hunter , not a warrior , which is what everyone asking for full-AAA melee wants to turn her into. Unless there's a specific story beat where Aloy encounters people who teach her to handle different weapons, I'd prefer she not just become an expert with a halberd, or a morningstar just from investing some skill points into it.
Speaking of which, Guerilla needs to make up their mind how RPG'y they want the game to be. The way HZD worked, if you 100% everything, you'd get enough skill points to unlock all the skill trees, so your "build" would all end up the same anyway- with only variation being which enhancements you used for which weapon. They either need to double down on this (by maybe tying specific skill progression to specific questline/activity, or increase the number of skills, so that you can't get everything in a single playthrough, encouraging actual builds.
Same thing with conversation choices- they were largely vestigial in HZD, so it'd be nice to have some consequences for how things are handled. Maybe a reputation system between tribes/factions? With Aloy (presumably) being a stranger in a much more dangerous land, she should experience more distrust from the locals, as she's very much a free agent in a new setting.
I quite liked the world-building and open world stuff was mostly okay, except for bandit camps. I would prefer datapads to have less ads and more actual world-building though.
Less "leaving the playable area" messages, please. Just make sheer cliff walls, I like those a lot better than yet another un-reachable valley on the horizon.
I quite liked the bow focus- because Aloy is a hunter , not a warrior , which is what everyone asking for full-AAA melee wants to turn her into. Unless there's a specific story beat where Aloy encounters people who teach her to handle different weapons, I'd prefer she not just become an expert with a halberd, or a morningstar just from investing some skill points into it.
Speaking of which, Guerilla needs to make up their mind how RPG'y they want the game to be. The way HZD worked, if you 100% everything, you'd get enough skill points to unlock all the skill trees, so your "build" would all end up the same anyway- with only variation being which enhancements you used for which weapon. They either need to double down on this (by maybe tying specific skill progression to specific questline/activity, or increase the number of skills, so that you can't get everything in a single playthrough, encouraging actual builds.
Same thing with conversation choices- they were largely vestigial in HZD, so it'd be nice to have some consequences for how things are handled. Maybe a reputation system between tribes/factions? With Aloy (presumably) being a stranger in a much more dangerous land, she should experience more distrust from the locals, as she's very much a free agent in a new setting.
I quite liked the world-building and open world stuff was mostly okay, except for bandit camps. I would prefer datapads to have less ads and more actual world-building though.
Less "leaving the playable area" messages, please. Just make sheer cliff walls, I like those a lot better than yet another un-reachable valley on the horizon.
Fuck the PS4 and make two different versions. I really hope that the sequel isn't hamstrung because it has to be playable on PS4. We know Guerrilla had grand visions that the PS4 could not deliver.
yeah, I am aware of why the biggest blockbusters wont be next gen exclusives for something like 2 or more years. But I still fucking hate it.
I beat it on hard so often the best survival was to attack from a very safe place with arrows as they are the easiest to craft.
Having some better melee options I think would be nice.
1) Make the towns feel more alive, Horizon is one of the few games I have played in which the towns feel dead, you can only speak to merchants and the sidequests you find felt forced to me, the way npcs walk and look just took me out of the game when exploring towns.
2) Make the facial animations not uncanny valley, specially in sidequests the facial animations were completely uncanny valley to me.
3) Improve the hud, specially the in game markers, they are so big that I had to turn them off and use the compass to navigate the open world.
4) Change the way you save in the game, the fireplaces did not add anything to me, I would prefer if the game just let me save anywhere.
5) Improve the way you traverse the world, the mounts felt wonky to use and unclimbable short rocks/mountains/walls were too common.
6) Add gyro controls and make it 60 fps.
7) Add more interesting abilities to the skill tree or just remove it, the grand majority of the unlockable skills felt like abilities alloy should have by default.
8) Have a way to remove "tutorial" weapon quests, they just clutered the quest hud to me.
9) Improve the "footsteps" animations when using alloys detective mode, and please use it less or just remove it in the sequel, I am getting bored of following footsteps in open world games.
10) Improve the way you loot materials in the open world, for example when mounting a machine triangle is used to loot plants and also to stop mounting, so it was common that I would unmount instead of looting something.
11) Make the loot to upgrade weapons more meaningful, by mid game I had so much loot that did the same thing that I had to constantly throw away items.
12) Let me upgrade armors, if I remember right you can only buy them and there is a definitive one.
13) Remove choices from sidequests if that makes the writing better, or in general improve the writing of the sidequests.
The game was a solid 8/10, but it can improve a lot.
2) Make the facial animations not uncanny valley, specially in sidequests the facial animations were completely uncanny valley to me.
3) Improve the hud, specially the in game markers, they are so big that I had to turn them off and use the compass to navigate the open world.
4) Change the way you save in the game, the fireplaces did not add anything to me, I would prefer if the game just let me save anywhere.
5) Improve the way you traverse the world, the mounts felt wonky to use and unclimbable short rocks/mountains/walls were too common.
6) Add gyro controls and make it 60 fps.
7) Add more interesting abilities to the skill tree or just remove it, the grand majority of the unlockable skills felt like abilities alloy should have by default.
8) Have a way to remove "tutorial" weapon quests, they just clutered the quest hud to me.
9) Improve the "footsteps" animations when using alloys detective mode, and please use it less or just remove it in the sequel, I am getting bored of following footsteps in open world games.
10) Improve the way you loot materials in the open world, for example when mounting a machine triangle is used to loot plants and also to stop mounting, so it was common that I would unmount instead of looting something.
11) Make the loot to upgrade weapons more meaningful, by mid game I had so much loot that did the same thing that I had to constantly throw away items.
12) Let me upgrade armors, if I remember right you can only buy them and there is a definitive one.
13) Remove choices from sidequests if that makes the writing better, or in general improve the writing of the sidequests.
The game was a solid 8/10, but it can improve a lot.
Make the world feel alive and believable. I thought everything felt like a movie scenery, like a house would tilt over if I pushed it because it was actually made of cardbox. The same goes for the characters and the various awkward interactions you had with them. The sci-fi plot is great but I also want to remembersome good stories of the present day.
I just want more detailed worlds
all the sony open world games suffer from what seems like villages as opposed to cities
i want a damn big city to explore with tons of npcs
make the world feel alive
also i want gadgets that let me platform and unlock areas like zelda.
more mindful platforming and rewarding adventuring
more npcs and cities
more puzzles
all the sony open world games suffer from what seems like villages as opposed to cities
i want a damn big city to explore with tons of npcs
make the world feel alive
also i want gadgets that let me platform and unlock areas like zelda.
more mindful platforming and rewarding adventuring
more npcs and cities
more puzzles
More of the same would be good for me. Maybe an even more diverse set of biomes? But really I just kind of want more robo dino's to fight and more side quests and activities outside of the main story, which I thought was excellent in the first game. the entire world was incredibly intriguing too. So if they can continue that I'd be more than happy.
A pipe dream would be to replace the voice of aloy, but I know that's not going to happen.
A pipe dream would be to replace the voice of aloy, but I know that's not going to happen.
Better melee for one.
I'd also love some deeper RPG mechanics, and more interesting loot and rewards for the various main and side content in the game.
I'd also love some deeper RPG mechanics, and more interesting loot and rewards for the various main and side content in the game.