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CliveLH

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Jun 22, 2019
2,225
All modern videogames are directly run from the local SSD/HDD storage. The Blu ray is only there for installs.

So why exactly can't we plug any Blu ray USB drive to a PS5 Digital Edition or Xbox Series S to turn them into more regular consoles down the line ?

As far as I know, USB3.0 is more than enough to support a 4K Blu ray's bandwidth.

I understand they don't want to make things to complicated for customers, but is there any other reason why we can't just plug any USB Blu ray drive and play games be it through backward compatibiliy or with next-gen games ?
 

MinusTydus

The Fallen
Jul 28, 2018
8,196
Why support external hard drives when you can sell proprietary memory cards for hundreds of dollars a pop?

Misread.

If your drive fails down the line, you are taking repair/replacement money away from them if you could plug-and-play with any Blu-ray drive.

They don't want you turning your DE into a "full" system without paying the upcharge. It's money. That's the reason.
 
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ElFly

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Oct 27, 2017
2,734
All modern videogames are directly run from the local SSD/HDD storage. The Blu ray is only there for installs.

So why exactly can't we plug any Blu ray USB drive to a PS5 Digital Edition or Xbox Series S to turn them into more regular consoles down the line ?

As far as I know, USB3.0 is more than enough to support a 4K Blu ray's bandwidth.

I understand they don't want to make things to complicated for customers, but is there any other reason why we can't just plug any USB Blu ray drive and play games be it through backward compatibiliy or with next-gen games ?
it would make it easier to pirate games
 

Kolx

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Oct 25, 2017
8,505
Because then you'd just buy a cheap external drive, and save some money over the disk version. They don't want you to do that.
 

Kyry

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Oct 27, 2017
836
The point is to not allow other stores to compete with their own on the digital only SKUs
 

Bandage

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Oct 25, 2017
11,626
The Internet
To lock you in to their store ecosystem for more money so they can eventually take those games away from you because all digital is a scam.
 

Spork4000

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
8,488
That would blow the doors wide open for piracy, that and the point of the digital system is for you to give them more money per purchase, that's why they're so cheap.
 

Stike

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Oct 27, 2017
2,035
In addition to the aforementioned arguments, they probably also saved some licensing costs by not being able to play movie blu-rays
 

Plinkerton

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Nov 4, 2017
6,058
The reason the discless versions are cheaper is because they'll make it up in digital sales.

That's the reason they won't allow external disc drives.
 

Dust

C H A O S
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Oct 25, 2017
32,160
That is not the point of these digital only systems. They want you to buy only from digital store and lock you into ecosystem.

The $100 price difference is precisely because of that, physical allows you to buy used or trade in. Digital on launch months of a game is nothing but full price and cut for Sony.
 

Windu

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Oct 25, 2017
13,617
Piracy maybe easier with a external disk drive? That's really the only reason I can think of.
 

Vinc

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Oct 25, 2017
7,387
Technically speaking, no, there's 0 reason. Maybe Microsoft will eventually allow it if the S doesn't do that well, I could possibly see that. That said, the whole point of selling these at a significant loss is that you can recoup it by locking customers into the digital ecosystem.
 

Eoin

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Oct 27, 2017
7,103
The implicit bargain you make with Sony and Microsoft when you purchase one of these machines is that you save a bit of money buying them, at the cost of being locked into their purchasing ecosystem.

They will never release external drives. They will never make external drives compatible for games.

Licensing fees, I guess? Not so versed for a technical explaination.
Most of the licensing costs for drives are paid on a hardware level, so are included in the price of the drive. Manufacturers of machines that support external drives don't have to worry about paying hardware licensing costs associated with the drive. (They do have to pay a smaller playback licensing fee if the drive is used for movies though).
 

Yerffej

Prophet of Regret
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Oct 25, 2017
23,496
I'd just get a good BR player at that point. It will probably last longer anyway.
 

Eoin

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Oct 27, 2017
7,103
In addition to the aforementioned arguments, they probably also saved some licensing costs by not being able to play movie blu-rays
They're probably going to do what they did with PS4 and Xbox One, and require anyone who wants to play DVD or Blu-ray movies to take an extra step to enable that functionality, so even with the disc models they'll save on license fees for anyone who doesn't use them for movies.
 

Omeganex9999

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Oct 25, 2017
765
London
That is not the point of these digital only systems. They want you to buy only from digital store and lock you into ecosystem.

The $100 price difference is precisely because of that, physical allows you to buy used or trade in. Digital on launch months of a game is nothing but full price and cut for Sony.

This. It defeats the purpose of creating an all digital console. If you buy that one, you pay less because Sony will make most of their money back the moment you buy a couple of games at launch.

Would you be okay with paying $100+ for an external disc drive? Because it won't be cheaper than that.
 

Bowl0l

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Oct 27, 2017
4,608
Since when USB Bluray readers are plug and play devices that doesn't require firmware installation?
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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If security is in the disc drive, for this to work you'd need to buy an official Blu-ray drive. I doubt the margins are there to make it worth Sony/MS manufacturing one.

You've just gotta make your choice when you buy the system.
 

Axel Stone

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Jan 10, 2020
2,771
Genuine question: how would the ability to plug in an external drive make piracy easier? It's not like you can just stick a disc burning drive in the console and start copying games to disc.
 

Favio Bolo

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Aug 17, 2020
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the point of the discless sku is to have people buying ALL their games from the store. it's not really about the cost of the hardware

i'm sure it's something you will be able to do with custom firmware
 

cowbanana

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Feb 2, 2018
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They're only selling these consoles to lock you into their digital stores, with no other option. The products don't exist because the companies are nice. It is a trap, but many people will fall for it.
 

Edward850

Software & Netcode Engineer at Nightdive Studios
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Apr 5, 2019
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If you just wanted it to play movies, sure why not, though it's unlikely to be in the scope of the consoles so I would say it's unlikely to happen just for that.

As for games you have a problem. I don't know how it works for the PS4/5, but on Xbox it's straight up impossible. The hardware is built in such a way that the optical drive has to prove trust. This trust is encoded to the hardware, which is why you can't swap out the drive, and making a USB replacement means this trust would have to be generic (or non existent if you are expecting off the shelf drives) and thus exploitable. Such an exploit would in turn allow someone to fake the licence keys for a game with relative ease.

It couldn't happen.

Fun fact, exploiting the DVD drive is exactly how the Xbox360 security was broken. Xbox One security meanwhile seems untouched to this day.
 
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Musouka

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Dec 31, 2017
505
Since when USB Bluray readers are plug and play devices that doesn't require firmware installation?

There is more going behind the scenes:

In order for Plug and Play to work, a system must have three-way compatibility between the operating system, the BIOS, and the Plug and Play components themselves
(Source)

So as a manufacturer of a closed system, you can control what devices you can allow PnP for. You can allow it for external storage drives, and input devices like keyboards and mice, but disable it for any other devices deemed undesirable. This has already been proven with XBO SAD.
 

skaertus

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Aug 16, 2020
57
Well, I believe it is already answered here. I would try to give some answers of my own.

Sony is a business, and one that has struggled a lot in the 2000s. Sony cut 8,000 jobs in 2008, another 10,000 in 2012, and another 5,000 in 2014. In 2013, Sony sold its U.S. headquarters for $1.1 billion. These were all efforts to keep the company afloat. I believe it is in much better shape now, but it has gone through a lot. One of Sony's main divisions is gaming, and it cannot just afford to fail at that.

The Playstation 5, as well as most consoles these days, are probably sold at a loss when they launch. It has to make money somehow. Sony has a price strategy for the Playstation 5. Making the version with the blu-ray drive $100 more expensive may have to do with product differentiation or with the fact that Sony wants to create incentives towards digital sales.

Sony will not want to allow third party drives to be connected to the Playstation 5, perhaps for more than one reason. Of course, it would lose control over what can be connected to its console and potentially allow piracy to thrive. And this could be a disaster, especially because Sony would rely on the sale of software after selling the Playstation 5 at a loss.

Sony would also not want to allow competitors to offer cheaper blu-ray drives. Although the Playstation 5 may be sold at a loss at launch, it will eventually become profitable in the future. Sony does not want to give away that future profit by letting other companies benefit from the investment it is making now.

And, finally, want to keep quality control of the blue-ray drives. Low-quality blu-ray drives might become popular as they could be sold cheaper. And they might not be able to run the games at an acceptable speed. This could ruin the experience of using the Playstation 5. Many users would blame Sony, of course, and not the cheap obscure blu-ray drive manufacturer, thereby creating bad word of mouth for the console.

I do not see why external blu-ray drives could be good for users as well. They could ruin Sony's profit margins, which, in turn, could make it want to raise prices of games or accessories to compensate. If piracy is high, it could affect the decision of developers in making more games for the platform. A low-quality blu-ray drive may ruin the experience in playing games. A low-quality blu-ray drive that fails would have to be replaced, thereby increasing (and not decreasing) the total acquisition price of a Playstation 5.

So, I see a lot of reasons why Sony would not allow external blu-ray drives. However, I fail to see one single compelling reason why Sony should allow them.
 

radiotoxic

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Oct 27, 2017
1,019
It would simply not be possible to support conventional external drives, because pressed discs contain special authentication data that cannot be read by commercially available units.

Disc Identification/Serialization Data - PS4 Developer wiki

Playstation Development Wiki - PS5, PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, PSP, Vita Information


Though they can always release a (likely expensive) propietary external unit. But I don't think it would make sense at all, idk.