This post makes no sense. Just because they announced stuff that are further than 6 months from release doesn't mean they announced everything they have been working on.
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Theory: Starfox Grand Prix never existed
- Thread starter Skittzo
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I think the game, if it exists, is the sort of thing Nintendo could announce at E3 and release before the end of the year (think Super Mario Party). So I'm willing to give them at least until then before worrying about it.
If we don't see anything at E3 I'll just assume it either existed and was cancelled or the insiders were wrong (that seems unlikely though given the number of people confirming it).
Also worth considering that Nintendo apparently has a history of sitting on completed games for ages before releasing them.
If we don't see anything at E3 I'll just assume it either existed and was cancelled or the insiders were wrong (that seems unlikely though given the number of people confirming it).
Also worth considering that Nintendo apparently has a history of sitting on completed games for ages before releasing them.
The more time goes on the more I feel it was not a real thing. If there is nothing at this year's E3 then IMO it never truly existed.
Yeah I don't see Nintendo letting ubi make a Star Fox racing mode (well a mode in a game that has star fox characters) if they were seriously developing a Star fox racing game too.
Someone must have seen this and thought it was Star Fox GP. This is way too coincidental to not mean something and at the same time it would have been in development in early 2017 before rumors started
This begs the question, just what the fuck had retro been working on then?
I feel like it shouldn't be this hard to make a new Star Fox
4 player co op on rails campaign, branching patches, etc. if you want to go crazy and fulfill my dreams make a Star Fox multiplayer game like 2007 Warhawk, in and out of Arwings, call it Lylat Wars Online
Someone must have seen this and thought it was Star Fox GP. This is way too coincidental to not mean something and at the same time it would have been in development in early 2017 before rumors started
This begs the question, just what the fuck had retro been working on then?
I feel like it shouldn't be this hard to make a new Star Fox
4 player co op on rails campaign, branching patches, etc. if you want to go crazy and fulfill my dreams make a Star Fox multiplayer game like 2007 Warhawk, in and out of Arwings, call it Lylat Wars Online
This kinda reminds me of when Mario Odyssey was revealed which made me wonder if the Mario + Rabbids rumour was based a misunderstanding, heh.
The timing sounds too off, like you point out, someone would have to be mischievous in leaking footage of the racing mode specifically, and very early on. The whole story might be nonsense, of course, and not necessarily connected to this footage.
The timing sounds too off, like you point out, someone would have to be mischievous in leaking footage of the racing mode specifically, and very early on. The whole story might be nonsense, of course, and not necessarily connected to this footage.
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You make some fine points OP, it's definitely possible this was mistaken for a Star Fox Grand Prix game. It's even possible that at one point, a prototype or something of that existed and it eventually morphed into this. Interesting, anyhow.
Yeah I already wondered aloud previously on here whether the leakers misinterpreted Starlink as a Retro Star Fox game (the crossover appearance, hub area flying and more direct paths are all too similar), and got hounded for it. Seeing the racing addon in the Direct yesterday solidified it for me. Either it never existed and people just saw Starlink, or it was canceled and they moved the GP ideas over to their Ubisoft collaboration.
No way, just no way, would Nintendo allow Ubisoft to run with a Star Fox racing expansion if they intend to release a standalone Star Fox GP in a timely manner.
The dream is dead.
No way, just no way, would Nintendo allow Ubisoft to run with a Star Fox racing expansion if they intend to release a standalone Star Fox GP in a timely manner.
The dream is dead.
True, I just don't buy why it would hurt to have announced this rumored game in particular, if it indeed exists. This isn't exactly Metroid Prime 4 or Link's Awakening caliber stuff we're talking here. I just feel if it was real, we would have confirmation by now.
I agree.
My theory: Support for other Nintendo games plus game concepts that never were greenlighted
My theory: Support for other Nintendo games plus game concepts that never were greenlighted
I always somewhat doubted the rumor since it originally came from a dubious source. Some more respectable people later put their weight behind it, so I became more willing to believe it. But considering how low-key they presented it, I really wouldn't be surprised if this will thing was one giant case of a very broken telephone.
They probably must've been by a few cancellations at this point. I don't believe that in 5 years whatever they're making isn't in a presentable state.
This is kind of where I am right now. I could see why people might buy into this theory, but I don't think it suggest that Grand Prix doesn't exist, or never was an idea. I still think that game could exist in some form, but it's becoming more and more doubtful that it'll ever be released.
A still image or short video of Star Link could quite easily be mistaken for a different game (if people even seen it and it isn't coming from someone else's description of what they saw passed along).
I don't think it's too crazy to think Nintendo doesn't have 2 Star Fox Racing games in development. If I were to take a wild guess, Retro is just working in colaboration with Ubisoft on the Starlink stuff in some capacity and thats how the rumors got started. Maybe it started off as a real game, who knows. But now that we know a Star Fox racing mode is in Starlink I think it's pretty safe to assume that there probably isn't a full game coming out.
Nah. Stuff like this just causes headaches and frustration but for them.
My question to op is: Do you think Retro is working on something right now that is about to be finished/is finished or is Nintendo handing the rebooted Metroid Prime to a studio unable to put out a game for half a decade?
It''s not really a racing game, it's just a mode in Starlink and not exclusive to Star Fox. I also think this mode is a pretty late addition, not in development when teh SF GP rumors started.
It could still be real, but it became far far far less likely, and that pleases me very much because I truly believe we dodged a bullet here. Now, I can get excited again about the next Retro game which in all likelihood should release this year. I'd sell a kidney for a new Donkey Kong, but a new IP will do just fine.
Pretty good description of it to be fair.
It's a decent game, there just isn't enough of it. The same content is just repeated over and over.
I think it controls so good though. It's a shame they didn't do more with it.
I kinda assumed the rumor was real when IGN's Peer Schnieder commented on a podcast that an insider told him the game was graphically impressive. He seems like a guy who would know people.
Then again maybe it was real, then canceled, then Ubisoft decided to add a racing mode.
Then again maybe it was real, then canceled, then Ubisoft decided to add a racing mode.
That happened, yes.
I'm more just commenting on the nature of random leaks.
Wouldn't be the first time. Retro had at least a couple of cancelled projects in the Gamecube days off the top of my head: Raven Blade and a racing title. I think I recall hearing about a football title as well that never made it. Plus, with Tanabe cutting ties as a producer, I can see there being some turmoil over the past few years. Now Tanabe is back in the picture, however, so perhaps this has something to do with Nintendo's confidence.
Thanks for the description! With this DLC, I might grab it when it goes on sale.
I mean... Tanabe's Metroid Prime 4 just failed spectacularly to the point where they had to publicly cancel it and apologize.
I doubt they were doing nothing, it is entirely possible they were working hard on something that didn't work out and got canceled.
Another point, Ubisoft is incredibly leaky, especially when it comes to Nintendo.
I find it very hard to believe that Ninte do would trust with saving their big project Metroid Prime 4 to a studio that just spent five years in chaos and failing to produce anything. By this and by the lack of credible evidence pointing to such chaos (
Beyond the silence) I assume they have something that is close to being finished and released. If it's a late 2019 title, waiting for E3 to reveal it would not be so weird, or maybe for a tease in a Direct mini or a game specific direct.
From what we've heard, though, that had more to do with the experimental development process involving multiple studios working in tandem remotely. Tanabe gave us 3 solid Metroid Prime titles and 2 DKC games with Retro. Plus, it's clearly what the fans wanted, so why not give it a shot?
I'm just gonna say it's too soon for this thread. Post E3? Sure. I'd even be on your side. But saying something like this ahead of a show where they'd lay everything on the table is just asking for egg to be on your face. Everyone's always eager to prove insiders aren't actually insiders. But who knows? Maybe you'll get Jason or someone else in here to comment and say you're right.
Or none of these people is a "source" properly speaking and they're just getting second hand info, maybe even from a single person. If that single person made the confusion, I would see why several reliable person were fed with wrong info.
This kind of reckless speculation is bordering on libel.
I'm with OP on this. Just insiders jumping to conclusions on Starlink without context.
No way in hell they would be making a racing game while also green lighting racing DLC for Starlink....
No way in hell they would be making a racing game while also green lighting racing DLC for Starlink....
I think there is a good chance you are right OP, it was Starlink all this time. It would make sense
Okay
Their top two people left the company at weird times so maybe it will never come out.
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I should also note that I personally was pretty excited about the game. I definitely don't want it to be fake, but I feel like that's where the evidence is currently leading us.
Also, I didn't mention this in the OP since I don't really have sources for this but most of the people and outlets reporting on this rumor seemed to indicate it wasn't from the most reliable source. For instance, nobody said something like "we can confirm this is accurate" which outlets like Eurogamer often say. Instead they simply said they heard similar things.
That's definitely a possibility, I just think it would be odd for Nintendo to give Metroid Prime 4 to a studio who had two cancelled projects in a row. Especially doing that so publicly.
It's possible some of them share sources, or that multiple people originally saw the footage.
I sure hope they have been working on something. I'd question Nintendo's confidence in giving them MP4 so publicly if they've been simply doing nothing or cancelling games for the past 5 years.
This is very true. And Retro typically is not leaky.
Also, I didn't mention this in the OP since I don't really have sources for this but most of the people and outlets reporting on this rumor seemed to indicate it wasn't from the most reliable source. For instance, nobody said something like "we can confirm this is accurate" which outlets like Eurogamer often say. Instead they simply said they heard similar things.
That's definitely a possibility, I just think it would be odd for Nintendo to give Metroid Prime 4 to a studio who had two cancelled projects in a row. Especially doing that so publicly.
It's possible some of them share sources, or that multiple people originally saw the footage.
I sure hope they have been working on something. I'd question Nintendo's confidence in giving them MP4 so publicly if they've been simply doing nothing or cancelling games for the past 5 years.
This is very true. And Retro typically is not leaky.
So basically if starfox gp rumor is fake, then the fact that they cancelled a game BEFORE creating star fox gp was also fake since that was the same rumor.
5 years with no news is ridiculous. Come on Retro. One of my favorite developers just dropped off the face of the earth.
5 years with no news is ridiculous. Come on Retro. One of my favorite developers just dropped off the face of the earth.
youre assuming all the insiders would just blindly trust a single people instead of doing abit of research with other sources, they arent stupid geez