Oh god, how will it play games. Might as well cancel it.
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The Xbox Series X UI runs At 1080p
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Oh god, how will it play games. Might as well cancel it.
Up until June this year, I was using a 1080p Plasma for over a decade. So personally it wasn't an issue.
I now have a 55" CX OLED and it's jarring as hell.
one x has like 12gb ram compared to ps4 pro's measly 8+1ddr3 config.
I'm not a ML upscaling expert but I wonder if MS would/could use the 1080p assets an just use their DirectML upscaler to increase the dash resolution to 4k. That way the still save space in memory allocation while still providing a crisp UI.
actually wonder about this too,
i have 2017 nvidia shield tv that has 1080p ui, and honestly looks bad on 4k.
2019 version i hear is able to do ai upscaling,
wonder how the ui of it compares visually
in a perfect world, we could have a 20 page thread discussing this "issue" with absolutely no platform/company bias and just discuss why this a thing and the negatives/positives it could bring
but alas, its just console war bullshit, like always.
on topic, kinda annoying, and i dont like the switch ui being 720p either. i had no idea rendering a UI would be resource intensive in the slightest. but 1080p does integer into 4k pretty well, so its ok i guess.
but alas, its just console war bullshit, like always.
on topic, kinda annoying, and i dont like the switch ui being 720p either. i had no idea rendering a UI would be resource intensive in the slightest. but 1080p does integer into 4k pretty well, so its ok i guess.
Is it though?
I mean honestly now that I know that one my One X does not have a 4k UI on their true 4k machine...I think I see it as not a big deal at all.
I've read plenty. This is less important than a lot of other controversies that get a lot of posts.
Most Userinterfaces don't use pixel based images including the font. They are vector based and scale very fine with resolution. I don't think Microsoft is saving any meaningful resources if they would deal with the resolution like Windows does.
People grasp at anything perceived as a negative and run with it.
Is it a weird choice in 2020 for the '8K ready most powerful console'? Definitely.
Does it really matter in the end ? No.
Does it really matter in the end ? No.
Man, John is going to hear it from the crazies.
Tbh the XB1X UI looks fine resolution wise. It's not like the switch where the low resolution (720p) is clearly noticeable. I guess it's just fuel for console wars
Tbh the XB1X UI looks fine resolution wise. It's not like the switch where the low resolution (720p) is clearly noticeable. I guess it's just fuel for console wars
It is an odd one because the interface is all drawn in website like way.
There are possible network/bandwidth things to go with it- you are going to want 4X the resolution assets and greater internet bandwidth to go with it.
But it all seems so negligible for such a capable machine. It almost doesn't seem real.
It's especially a surprise as there was code found in the OS that referred to the "4K shell" which I had assumed was the flag to render the dashboard in 4K.
If the PS4 runs the dash in HDR, then it might be limited to 422 as the current consoles are.
I don't know much about what the setup is for resolution/refresh rate, but given how they I think they are handling HDR switching across the system, I suspect it will be locked in at 4K 120hx all the time - with such high bandwidth they may choose to restrict Chroma sub-sampling to decrease the inevitable problems that will occur with users using the wrong/long cables.
That's what I would do if I were them anyway
As I said to the other user, I was joking. I don't care about the OS being 1080p of that means more resources for games.
I'm pretty sure the GPU load to AI upscale it would be greater than just rendering it
For those who say they don't notice the blurryness with the one x, I'm wondering if they have a PS4 Pro.
Like you load that up and its all clear and then you go back to one x and its just blurry in comparison. I really had assumed the series x would at least as a bare minimum at least give us the dash in 4k this time even if the UI was still the same as one x.
Had such positive news from Sony and their UI today but seems MS just wants to stay boring and put the same UI on series x and can't even figure out a way to make it clearer like Sony did for PS4 Pro and once again for ps5.
I'm still holding onto the slight hope that they have a pre launch dash and the UI on launch for series x will be in 4k.
I know...? Doesn't change the fact that the extra 1 gb of DDR3 is dedicated to UI tasks, which likely includes rendering it at a higher res.
I do wonder if the Xbox UI doesn't just have a higher memory footprint than the PlayStation UI though- it feels more... bulky, if that makes sense.
I have 0 problem with that. It's fast and sleek, and that's the important bit to me. I'm also all for giving devs more ram to work with.
For people hoping this will be change, it's not uncommon that OS ram usage decreased over time, so maybe MS will be able to up the resolution in the future.
For people hoping this will be change, it's not uncommon that OS ram usage decreased over time, so maybe MS will be able to up the resolution in the future.
Yeah it is. Like I'm sure they'll fix it, but let's not act like somebody didn't mess up here.
It's not about GPU load though, it's about memory usage.
Still, not sure if this is the best approach.
I have a 75inch screen I sit around 2 metres from and didnt know my One X was only outputting 1080p in the dashboard until now. When I get home I will look closer. Im sure I can notice it now that I know... But it's certainly not an issue for me.
Not sure how it's a bad thing that a gaming machine is trying to minimise resources used on the dashboard to give more resources to gaming.
So long as the dashboard is more responsive with no lag that's the only upgrade I care about in the dash.
Not sure how it's a bad thing that a gaming machine is trying to minimise resources used on the dashboard to give more resources to gaming.
So long as the dashboard is more responsive with no lag that's the only upgrade I care about in the dash.
Nobody messed up here, it was 1080p on purpose on Xbox One X and the move to a 4K dashboard apparently required an extra GB of RAM and the decision was made to make that memory available to devs, MS themselves mentioned it back when One X was released and it's most likely the same reason why it'll be 1080p on Series X.
Dude, he's been going through it on twitter; needs slap that block button more often.
It might be a non-issue for some, but the truth is that the PS4 Pro does 4K UI with zero impact on the resources, what's the excuse for the XSX?
How do you buy games, look at achievements, check what's coming up, look at friends and what they're doing etc?
Some of us use the UI, my point was that if you can't tell the difference, which people are saying they can't, then buy that 4K TV was probably pointless.
It wasn't zero impact, they added an extra GB of RAM to the system to accommodate it.
MS added more RAM to Xbox One X and gave the extra RAM to developers.
Which one is the better choice?
It was indeed zero impact because Sony didn't touch the main GDDR RAM pool, they added the extra off SoC DDR RAM to accommodate it and it even ended up freeing more of the main memory to developers. Why didn't MS add an extra off SoC DDR pool to accomodate the 4K UI too?
I haven't bought any games in ages. When I do I usually use xbox app on my phone, same with downloading game pass games.
The UI is different to games, it's harder to notice the difference. I'd take native 4k games over 4k UI any day.
You probably should care a bit less about how other people spend their money.
Only thing I can think of that would have this be the case is that they want a unified UI for all of Xbox? One software/firmware?
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