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The Wonderful 101: Remastered |OT| Team, Unite Up!
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Graphical artifacts and camera fu**s up on anything over 1080p, unplayable... such a shame, how we can communicate with Platinum? They seems to doesn't give a crap once they release their broken PC port.
I gotta say, the above discussion about multi-morph being a shop purchase reminds me of a nitpick I have with Platinum in general.
They sure love putting mechanics/moves that are essential components of the combat system behind a shop purchase or an unlock or some other nonsense. This trope reached its peak in Astral Chain, where they legit made a parry some random drop you have to equip per Legion (luckily there was a different sort of parry that was universal and easily unlockable, but still lol).
Here they made a good choice by making your defensive options dirt cheap, but then they made multi-morph money-gated unlock, all four levels of it. Like I can see some merit in this, because it being a purchase draws a player's attention to it and makes it more likely that the new player will try to use it, since they spent the in-game money to unlock it, but doling it out in 4 purchases is an overkill.
They sure love putting mechanics/moves that are essential components of the combat system behind a shop purchase or an unlock or some other nonsense. This trope reached its peak in Astral Chain, where they legit made a parry some random drop you have to equip per Legion (luckily there was a different sort of parry that was universal and easily unlockable, but still lol).
Here they made a good choice by making your defensive options dirt cheap, but then they made multi-morph money-gated unlock, all four levels of it. Like I can see some merit in this, because it being a purchase draws a player's attention to it and makes it more likely that the new player will try to use it, since they spent the in-game money to unlock it, but doling it out in 4 purchases is an overkill.
Hmm...ah I think I noticed those graphical artifacts on the WW101 necklaces during their transformation sequences.
Also I didn't know it effected the camera as well, that would explain the camera issues I had during certain segments. There were situations where I couldn't see what was going on or the camera was too close.
It happen of the first boss for example, camera is super weird... the thing that baffle me is that ppl at Platinum not ever try their PC version before selling them, it's incredible...
Yeah, like SixelAlexiS said, apparently graphical and camera issues. I can't say I've noticed any yet, but the commonly cited example is the first major climatic boss fight against the robo dragon has issues where the camera dislodges and drops downwards or something. Super weird.
I will say with the camera appearing too close, make sure you try holding L to zoom it back out. TW101 has weird camera input where the zoom isn't immediate. You have to hold R to zoom in, and hold L to zoom out, not tap. But it also wouldn't surprise me if there were zoom issues too.
Fingers crossed Platinum fix it. I know they're notorious for not fixing a lot of their PC game issues, but I feel like this being entirely self published might give incentive. And major performance/technical issues are one thing, but resolution breaking perspective sounds like something that should be fixable.
I just finished my first playthrough. I played on Normal at 1440p on a Ryzen 3600 and 1070GTX. The biggest issue is that it seems like they didn't test the fixed camera placement in certain bossfights for resolutions above 1080p. There's a post from the Kickstarter thread going over this here. At 1440p I found it noticeable but not game breaking, but I'm assuming things get further out of whack the higher the resolution goes, so at 4K it's unplayable. I had a few similar problems in other one-off challenges throughout the game, usually during the end-level bossfights; weird camera placement, rail shooters where my crosshairs couldn't reach the extremities of the screen, that kind of thing.
Spoilers for the particular spots in game where I had problems:
Keeping in mind that the game was released early for backers and we're all playing it before the official release, I'll give Platinum the benefit of the doubt and assume they can patch all this. I know they have a pretty bad track history with PC ports, but hopefully these issues are a relatively simple fix. Apart from the camera stuff I found performance excellent (60FPS all the way through, not even so much as a dip in the Vorrken fights or final bossfight, which would bring the Wii U to its knees), and load times are a few seconds at most; it's undoubtedly the best way to play the game.
Spoilers for the particular spots in game where I had problems:
- Operation 001-C where you're standing on Owrowchee's back fighting the two heads, camera is too close in
- Operation 005-C, fighting the big octopus fellow from the deck of the Virgin Victory, the camera did a weird somersault when the boss dived underwater
- Operation 007-B, fighting the bug boss in Vorkken's belly, when you're following it around shooting from the Virgin Victory, the boss stopped moving while the Virgin Victory kept moving forward, so I had to do several long 180 degree turns to keep facing it
- Operations 009-A and -B, the railshooter segments in space with Platinum Robo, I couldn't move my crosshairs down to the bottom of the screen
- Operation 005-C, fighting the big octopus fellow from the deck of the Virgin Victory, the camera did a weird somersault when the boss dived underwater
- Operation 007-B, fighting the bug boss in Vorkken's belly, when you're following it around shooting from the Virgin Victory, the boss stopped moving while the Virgin Victory kept moving forward, so I had to do several long 180 degree turns to keep facing it
- Operations 009-A and -B, the railshooter segments in space with Platinum Robo, I couldn't move my crosshairs down to the bottom of the screen
Keeping in mind that the game was released early for backers and we're all playing it before the official release, I'll give Platinum the benefit of the doubt and assume they can patch all this. I know they have a pretty bad track history with PC ports, but hopefully these issues are a relatively simple fix. Apart from the camera stuff I found performance excellent (60FPS all the way through, not even so much as a dip in the Vorrken fights or final bossfight, which would bring the Wii U to its knees), and load times are a few seconds at most; it's undoubtedly the best way to play the game.
Any word on how the Switch version runs? Game ran like buttered arse on Wii U, so I'm interested to see how things fare on the Switch this time around.
Multi unite being an unlock isn't a bad idea on its face. The whole reason the shop exists from a game design standpoint is to slowly introduce players to new techniques at their own pace and encourage them to experiment after spending the time and money to unlock something. The problem is that it's split into several tiers so it's just a chore to get full use of it.
Making multi unite a shop purchase really fucking sucks. Why did they think that would be a good idea?
I actually enjoy that they do that. Usually a first playtrough in their games is meant to make players prepared and comfortable with their systems for a new run. Their games are meant to be replayed over and over like a fine and balanced classic arcade game. Unlocking just like beating the game for the first time, is trivial but a necessity.
As for W101 I hope this time around people will see what I believe was totally misunderstood on Wiiu: it's their best, most diverse, creative and tightest fighting system post Bayo 1.
Don't forget that Multi-Unite was a very very last minute addition to the game.
It is ridiculous how late in development the skill was added in. I imagine now with a remaster they wanted to put it in as intended.
It is ridiculous how late in development the skill was added in. I imagine now with a remaster they wanted to put it in as intended.
This feels like a barebones port more than a Remastered after seeing how the PC version plays and performs.
There's an option for overriding or enhancing the anti-aliasing in Radeon control panel. I've never personally used it though, so I don't know if it works with most games or what.
Downsampling is a good way, but this game apparently has issues with hugher than 1080p resolutions at the moment, so that's off the table.
Then there's the option of injecting SMAA through Reshade, which would probably be my choice.
You unlock more slots - I think it's as you get more Wonderful Ones. Energy converter is a cheap first block and when paired with attack liner you basically have infinite health so I'd recommend that.
Eventually you can equip seven at a time, but it takes a while to unlock the extra slots. It's based on your Total Rank, which is the number you can see at the bottom right of the Custom Block equip menu; I had four slots available after my first playthrough.
Speed Charge would be my first choice, it just speeds up the rate at which your Energy meter fills up. Then I'd get Energy Converter, which lets you convert excess Energy into Health. Then I'd go for Ukemi, which lets you nullify damage from any attack that sends you flying if you can hit the Jump button at the moment your leader hits the ground. After that, it's personal preference for how you like to play.
so wait U guys ran the special K global injector and it worked.
this thing isn't doing anything on laptop and it's annoying the fuck out of me
this thing isn't doing anything on laptop and it's annoying the fuck out of me
Alright.
2 hours in and my opinion on that game and the port:
Port:
Port is totally barebones. UI is apparently in 720p and this already looks bad.
Framepacing issues, especially in cutscenes.
Somehow 1440p doesnt really feel like 1440p.
Heavy Aliasing even though everythings set to Ultra.
Game:
When I am playing, it feels good. But man. Every 2 minutes one small cutscene for the smallest of shit that no one needs. I am in the flow and suddenly another cutscene.
Strange design decisions. Sometimes I am zoomed in far too much, sometimes its zoomed out too far.
This leads to enemies who are out of my window charging their super attacks or "instant charges" that you cant see when you are zoomed in too much and focusing on other enemies.
Why am I still being attacked when cutscenes are playing? When I got pink, I literally did not get hit at all, but in the cutscene I could still hear the attack noises and in the end I got silver damage there.
Still a zoom error but I was chases by some enemy and should escape, but since it was zoomed in too much, there was no way to know where to go and jump to so I jumped into my death.
And still more of a zoom error, but I was faster than the camera was moving so.... that happened again...
2 hours in and my opinion on that game and the port:
Port:
Port is totally barebones. UI is apparently in 720p and this already looks bad.
Framepacing issues, especially in cutscenes.
Somehow 1440p doesnt really feel like 1440p.
Heavy Aliasing even though everythings set to Ultra.
Game:
When I am playing, it feels good. But man. Every 2 minutes one small cutscene for the smallest of shit that no one needs. I am in the flow and suddenly another cutscene.
Strange design decisions. Sometimes I am zoomed in far too much, sometimes its zoomed out too far.
This leads to enemies who are out of my window charging their super attacks or "instant charges" that you cant see when you are zoomed in too much and focusing on other enemies.
Why am I still being attacked when cutscenes are playing? When I got pink, I literally did not get hit at all, but in the cutscene I could still hear the attack noises and in the end I got silver damage there.
Still a zoom error but I was chases by some enemy and should escape, but since it was zoomed in too much, there was no way to know where to go and jump to so I jumped into my death.
And still more of a zoom error, but I was faster than the camera was moving so.... that happened again...
OP
OP
I actually already have this in there since I remember it being quite popular back on GAF!Wow, what the fuck. They were supposed to make the game more accessible, not stupid. I hope they patch this out.
Anyway I suggest OP to add this video series covering the combat for new players. It does a better job than the game explaining various mechanics.
The Wonderful 101 System Guide
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Draw a tiny Hand so the line turns red, then hold the stick in a right angle to what direction you were drawing.
"o------------------" is a perfectly valid Unite Bomb input.
Yeah, that's my biggest problem with the game. It has such a good combat system but it doesn't let you have fun with it. I guess it's an unfortunate consequence of being a WiiU game, they really wanted to justify the tablet controller so you have all those awful sections with the double screen that drag the game down. At least they're never as long as the Space Harrier stage in Bayonetta!
That said, this PC version runs like a dream, looks great and it's a little bit more accessible than the original. It's totally worth playing through at least once to experience all the insanity the game has to offer.
The Real Wonderful 101 starts here!
Seriously, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Im going back to get all the wonderful ones that i missed after operation 004. Want to get unite big asap last time i got it after over a hundred hours and was burned out.
Any framerate impressions on PS4, especially Vorkken fights? I'm a physical backer so I prob won't get it until July.
Thanks for the review! Could you tell if the game ran at 60fps for the majority of time in docked mode?
If anyone's interested, here are some further impressions for the PC version in 3880 x 1440. Title screen didn't look promising:
But in game, it's much better. Apparently they didn't bother to re-do the art and interface and just upscaled it, kind of sad. Here are some screens I took:
But in game, it's much better. Apparently they didn't bother to re-do the art and interface and just upscaled it, kind of sad. Here are some screens I took:
It gets a lot better when you get the spin technique for it as it'll throw three bombs around you. It's also better to have your Wonderful Ones use it instead of you as they'll run up to an enemy to use it.
What is the best way to quickly take down the spike plated giants? Ripping off their armor with Wonder pink takes forever, tedious and boring.
I cant remember if it works on them but bomb plus energy converter liner is the fastest way to kill pretty much everything haha
The Vorkken fights are some of my favorite things in the game, like the jeanne fights in bayonetta
Does anyone have a more permanent solution for the frame-pacing issues in the PC version? I'm using the Special K fix and while it does work great, the frame rate went back to 50fps after less than two hours of play for me, forcing me to quit and relaunch the game.
Man, it'd be nice to have a sequel that could expand on more of the Wonderful Ones. You can tell they primarily focused on a core cast and left the others to be one-note gags to pop up every now and then. But after how well the characters they do focus on are handled I'd imagine a sequel giving the rest some well-needed development as well.
I want to learn more about Pink and her brother. The way she looks after Luka and a line dropped by White late in the game about "what happened to her brother" seem to indicate she has some baggage in her past along the same lines as Blue and Red.
I want to learn more about Pink and her brother. The way she looks after Luka and a line dropped by White late in the game about "what happened to her brother" seem to indicate she has some baggage in her past along the same lines as Blue and Red.
Is this a new mechanic? I'm don't remember squad size factoring in like that.
That's a great idea! I'll have to try that next time, I've always been terrible at using Unite Bomb.
No, it's always been like that. You can see it in some of the bigger bossfights when you Guts something like a giant robot's slamming fist; if you don't have enough Wonderful Ones it'll appear like a successful block for a moment or two, then the fist will slam through your Guts and hit you.
1440p have issues with camera, that's why, you have to play at 1080p max.
Yep, zoom is super weird too... on WiiU you just had to tap L and R, now you need to hold and doesn't seem to work properly.
There's definitely still slam attacks that will crush a full guts.
Guts can be really inconsistent. You can reflect Vorkken's fist, but his hammer smashes through a full-sized jello despite being a "blunt" weapon. You kind of just have to figure it out on a case-by-case basis through trial and error which blunt attacks can be repelled.