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The women who reviewed Cyberpunk 2077 for GameSpot and Polygon are being harassed and threatened on social media
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I love how they never consider that 9's and 10's in other reviews might be given just to avoid harassment and death threats a slightly lower (but still decent) score would bring.
i don't think this has nothing to do with the fact that they're women. it would've happened the same if a guy gave cp2077 a low score. remember jim sterling and botw.
Christ. This years has been amazing at exposing gamers as emotionally underdeveloped. Don't hate a game enough? Your a shill. Don't love a game enough? Le's harassed into submission! I'm over it bruh!
CDPR isn't going to say anything. They've been quiet about the transphobia they directly put in the game, they're definitely not going to make a statement about the actions of their fans. So much of the marketing of this game has catered to the worst of their fanbase.
Them harassing her mother isn't even the worst of it. There's people sending her messages that look like support and when she opens them they play seizure triggering videos. The FBI should be rounding these fucks up.
There was a guy that gave a lower score, Jeff Grub, they still chose the women to target because they will always choose the women of there's a choice.
I think blaming this on CDPR is too charitable. It implicitly ties this behavior only to this game when it is the reality for women in gamer spaces regardless of who made the game. Yes, CDPR sucks and has done tons of damage, but no, it would not have been any different if these women reviewed another hotly anticipated game. We just went through this with TLoU 2 earlier this year.
When its that dipshit who has a tweet on the first page its 100% about women. Quartering is a colossal dipshit and I wish nothing but misery on him.
This is horrible and infuriating but also completely expected after that endless marketing campaign aimed at fifteen-year-old edgelords. Hope it gets better once those fuckers are busy playing their buggy, futuristic GTA and many of them walk away disappointed.
Well, I mean, she was also very dismissive of CDPR's crunch and more or less attacked Jason Schreier for his reporting and may have not so subtly signaled others to attack him as well (I'm undecided if it was something she did actively or if it just so happened to be adjacent to a lot of the people who latched on to her to harass Jason), so while obviously no one deserves any of this kind of treatment, especially since her main 'sin' is reporting that the game can literally give you seizures, I wouldn't lionize her either really tbh.
I am very much looking forward to the game and even though there were a few points during the video where I went "Well that's the point", I enjoyed Kallie Plagge's take on the game and appreciate her review. All of her qualms with the game were very reasonable or a difference of taste, and I think I enjoyed the nuance in it more than IGN's "this game is totally sick" video review.
Gamers crying over somebody's opinion of a game being only a decent bit better than average is a joke, especially when the game has sold millions of copies 6 months before it even launched and, news flash, opinions differ.
Gamers crying over somebody's opinion of a game being only a decent bit better than average is a joke, especially when the game has sold millions of copies 6 months before it even launched and, news flash, opinions differ.
Nah. Women who grade against the grain are punished infinitely more harshly than men are. That doesn't mean men don't also get harassed - they do - but women get far more of it.
I can't understand how the fuck that dude has sponsors.
Displate sponsors him, so hot tip, never buy anything from them.
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I feel for the reviewers going foward, I can't imagine how that feels.
The gaming community is filled with sad fucking goblins.
While this is absolutely true and CDPR deserve all the flak they get for it, it's also a huge Gamer™ issue in general. I still remember the exact same thing after that GTAV 9/10 Gamespot review (which was coincidentally also written by Petit). Happens almost every time some huge release comes out and a woman dares to give it a less than perfect score.
Sometimes I wish the internet wasn't anonymous so people might actually be accountable for the abhorrent things they say.
Seriously, fuck the video gamer community. More vocal bad apples than good.
Seriously, fuck the video gamer community. More vocal bad apples than good.
One practical solution would be if developers and publishers started paying any attention to this shit at all and made it clear that these people aren't welcome in whatever community they think they're part of. Publishers were all too happy to ignore GG in 2014 as long as these people kept buying their games and nothing has changed in the years since. So far I've seen one single developer (Mike Bithell) call this shit out, and that wasn't even directly.
Unfortuntately the chances of any major company (let alone one as blatantly bigoted as CDPR) standing up to this shit seems to be zero at this point.
Ah yes The Quartering, who says its ok to attack the gay community because he has "Two gay black dads" he can't prove, and even if he did, he still isn't right.
Fuck the Quartering, fuck his fans and fuck anyone who attacks journalists over video game reviews.
Fuck the Quartering, fuck his fans and fuck anyone who attacks journalists over video game reviews.
See that Jeff Grub tweet upthread. Misogyny is absolutely a factor.
That was more of a miscommunication, she didn't defend crunch, she said that she had dev contacts that were saying some different things from some reports and she didn't actually mean Jason's report (nor did she mention Jason at that stage) and no she didn't send people after Jason, she was the one that ended up getting attacked by people. It was a big load of nothing that was a misunderstanding between journalists that wouldn't have been anything if the internet didn't get involved. Bringing it up on a thread like this is horrible.
Did you not see the thing with Jeff Grub? He gave the game a lower score than the woman at Gamespot, but doesn't have a bunch of videos and big harassment campaigns against him. I mean, yeah, at least some of that is Gamespot is a much bigger outlet than Gamesbeat, but it's not just a coincidence that one of those getting the hate is a woman.
Yeah. This behaviour among toxic consumers of games media essentially punishes thoughtful criticism and elevates empty pr fluff pieces. It's pretty wild. I don't envy people having to deal with Gamers as part of their job, that's for sure
You're wrong. But regardless, empathy and education is still a key element of solving the problem.
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It doesn't. He's certainly a part of it but this would be happening even without him. Guaranteed. Sexism and bigotry is a deep seated issue in the community.
Gamespot and Polygon are getting attacked by the alt right for calling out blatant transphobia and misogyny. They are attack dogs being sent out by that PoS the quarterpoundering. This is a deliberate attack for specific reasons.
No, that's not true. She said that reports of crunch were overexaggerated (of which Jason was the only one reporting on it regularly at the time) and called Jason and all 'his followers' toxic. And like I said, she may not have been signaling for people to do that, but there were definitely a lot of other people, probably a lot of these same people ironically, who latched onto it. They may have worked it out later on or something (as far as I know, they never communicated, but that may be incorrect), but it was not just a simple miscommunication.
I think recent years have shown us that lack of anonymity isn't enough to serve as a deterrent to toxic online behavior. Lots of people behave like this on non-anonymous accounts
I don't even blame game reviewers for doing it, of course the idea of death threats and harassment is going to affect your work, how could it not? No one should have to put up with that amount of shit.
People like TQ just channel it, there will always be someone like him.
This precisely. Cdpr being a shit company certainly didn't help, but let's not pretend this crap doesn't happen with every highly anticipated game.
Given the toxicity and bigotry surrounding this game, I decided I will not buy it.
i can't with a clear conscience support it.
i can't with a clear conscience support it.
I hadn't ever heard about TheQuivering until the link in here. After viewing 30 seconds of that video posted, I wish I still don't know about them. An awful channel. How it has amassed over a million subs is beyond me. It's a hate fulled channel.
Gamers are the worst.. I will say that it is highly disappointing and totally predictable that a bunch of Media people who have worked with the Black Women that were attacked by the same BS outlet last week, stayed silent when those BW were going thru it, but were right out there being loud and condemning the harassment when it happened to a white women...
There are 74 million people in this country full of hate. So it's not surprising at all.