Yeah I read the books and in the books, for me, killing renfri was the obvious choice
In the show it was way more ambiguous which was the right choice which I appreciated.
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The Witcher |OT| Something More (Dec. 20th Netflix) - TAG SPOILERS WITH EPISODE
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In the show it was way more ambiguous which was the right choice which I appreciated.
Cheers. So that confirms what I've read online that majority of this season is just prologue stuff. Really need to read the books.
I agree.
I was going to make the same post, as someone who hasn't read that story there was a lot of ambiguity to me as to whether the curse was real or not. Whenever Renfri talked about it it seemed more sarcastic and you were never sure if she was just playing along with the things said about her or confirming them. This is why I'm not going to read the books before the rest of the series comes out, I hate being one of those people who is constantly comparing the show to the source material. I'd rather judge it on it's own merits instead of thinking about what was changed.
I loved it. A lot even. I'm glad to see that majority of the people seem to be enjoying it. I hope it continues to get a lot of viewers and generate a lot of buzz so Netflix ramps up the budget of the future seasons. Would love to see the CG and production values go up like they did with GoT.
Did you already finish? I'm interested in hearing your final thoughts.
They have not changed anything. This is going to be explained in the coming seasons for sure.
Just finished the season....fuck me...why can't I have season 2 here now D:
Easily in my top 2 from Netflix sitting next to Black Mirror.
Easily in my top 2 from Netflix sitting next to Black Mirror.
No, but they invented the whole thing about her being a Fantasy Nazi (Fantazi?), so they could always do a prequel arc to explain where that came from.
The season? Yes, I loved it! I started watching it again which is something I rarely do with 1 hour shows. It's really interesting catching things I missed the first time after knowing the timeline better.
Yeah, I felt that Renfri's, the Elves, and the dragon's stories were poorly adopted.
Interesting considering GRRM is also doing whole prophecy destiny bit with ASOIAF, but just like Witcher it has enough room to question if such things are true and accurate or just old wives tales.
That's the thing, GRRM subverts prophecies pretty much completely.
Moreover, this Law of Surprises thing just needs a... mechanism of enforcement right? Like who decides why X is the payment that must be enforced? If it's just "Destiny" that feels like it's the same thing as a God, which would have to be real and all-powerful and invokable, and yeah I don't care for that. In ASoIaF, there's no evidence any of the gods are real; people who have special powers, like Melisandre or the Faceless Men, just credit their talent to their respective gods, but it's all just magic.
I would like the world of ASoIaF much less if there was some sort of "proof" that R'hllor or the Seven or whatever were real and that they could enforce their edicts or whatever.
If it's the same thing in The Witcher in that it's ambiguous, then that's OK, but from what I gather, this "Destiny" thing is real and Geralt pretending that it's not actually has consequences, so... meh.
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Upon rewatch, Geralt definitely casts Quen twice in Ep3
Also, question about Ep2
Also, question about Ep2
What the fuck was up with the mages being turned to eels? Do they stay that way forever? Did they willingly agree to that?
Sorry not caught up with thread, but off the cuff impressions of season one (as a Non books reading game player) .....love it....
Anya Chalotra is superb ..but the whole cast is great. Love the narrative and the way they have folded the story , which can be as rewarding as it is frustrating at times....but yeah ...excited to see more of this ...
Anya Chalotra is superb ..but the whole cast is great. Love the narrative and the way they have folded the story , which can be as rewarding as it is frustrating at times....but yeah ...excited to see more of this ...
I loved this season.
Came to it with pretty much no knowledge of Witcher outside of Witcher III, though. No novels, and never played Witcher 1 or 2 very far at all.
I really can't wait for season 2.
Came to it with pretty much no knowledge of Witcher outside of Witcher III, though. No novels, and never played Witcher 1 or 2 very far at all.
I really can't wait for season 2.
Regarding Ep.1 with Renfri that makes me somewhat confused.
Not to nitpick but that's Yrden, same as in the book (Last Wish).
Why does she keep mention the girl in the woods (Ciri) being Geralt's destiny, even though she shouldn't really know of her?
Not to nitpick but that's Yrden, same as in the book (Last Wish).
It's ties in to one of the things I really don't like about the show's adaptation of that story.
I think the implication is that Renfri know about it because she really is some magical mutant, while the original story's entire point was that it was ambiguous whether or not the curse was real or if Stregobor was just a bullshitting misogynist.
If you want the most secular interpretation, then the only 'real' enforcement is a combination of tradition and people's willingness to adhere to it. Calanthe loses out the argument because she gets brow beaten by a bunch of believers, and Pavetta makes a display of powers ultimately explained for other reasons. When she sends Ciri to Geralt, there's both an army at her gate that makes it the practical thing to get her granddaughter out of dodge, but also may be encouraging to take a bunch of decisions to match up with a 'destiny' as everyone else has consciously decided on
This is admittedly one of those things that's lessened by how they chose to adapt The Lesser Evil, though it's still there to an extent.
In the books her mother (because dark take on Snow White) claims to have seen in a magic mirror that Renfri would kill a whole damn lot of people, so to prevent that, she sets off a series of events that ultimately leads to Renfri killing a whole damn lot of people, in protecting herself and then getting revenge on the shitstains that put her through hell and back. 'Destiny' only came to be because people blindly followed it.
But well... There's only such you can brush under 'well, the characters believe in it', especially if others who shouldn't have such knowledge do for ~some reason~. To be honest, that kind of presumption of a background level something, even if you don't specifically characterise it as 'God', is not something that would surprise me from a most likely Catholic author (I say most likely because I've seen some conflicting stuff on that, but at the very least, he'd have background influences, Poland and all)
Oh weird, I thought Yrden wasn't a protective barrier but a ring where enemies get weakened if they enter. At least thats how I remember it in the game, maybe it was different in the books.
Oh boy, if you don't like the Destiny stuff, you're gonna have a bad time with this show.
Nice! I've read and played everything and even though its not perfect, I still loved it. Enjoying it tons on my rewatch as well. I think the only episode I don't like as much is 6 but other than that, they're all great.
Seems like this guy liked the show
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That would be an incorrect assumption to make. He describes himself as "an atheist and a materialist". In googling for relevant quotes, I've noticed people often describing him as a "staunch anticlerical."
See, most of the quotes I've found have ascribed him as Catholic, but there's a few in which he calls himself pagan, atheist, and otherwise just not a firm believer. Apparently there's some contention on how he's translated in interviews because of a bias towards the conventional.
I'd say so. The books are the best introduction obviously, but the series works okay. The games would too, but if you want to experience the series without spoilers, I'd recommend to not play the games yet.
The games are an unofficial sequel of sorts to the storyline of the books (which the show will adapt) and doesn't shy away from spoiling huge story moments and reveals from that story.
The games are an unofficial sequel of sorts to the storyline of the books (which the show will adapt) and doesn't shy away from spoiling huge story moments and reveals from that story.
There's a funny easter egg for book readers in Witcher 1 where the Innkeeper basically retells Ciri's whole story from all books. Flew over my head the first time without knowledge of the books lol.
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Overall I enjoyed the series very much but the timelines could be confusing at times. If I hadnt enabled subtitles I would've been even more confused.
I hope for season 2 that the story is more linear and when they do have a flashback, they let us know with a notice on the screen or something. If not, well, now I know that I need to pay more attention to the dialogue.
Third episode was the best, without a doubt. It felt like it was taken directly from Witcher 3.
I hope for season 2 that the story is more linear and when they do have a flashback, they let us know with a notice on the screen or something. If not, well, now I know that I need to pay more attention to the dialogue.
Third episode was the best, without a doubt. It felt like it was taken directly from Witcher 3.
It should, since that's where they would start adapting the saga instead of the short stories.
I've been wondering if they were gonna touch the short stories they skipped, they mostly stuck to main cast relevant ones and there's some I absolutely love leftover.
Rumors are at least one more will be adapted next season though it won't be solely Geralt anymore.
Grain of Truth with Geralt and Ciri on the way to Kaer Morhen
That's a good one I don't think Ciri fits into my favourite story the one with the bard friend of Dandelion Essi Daven. It was always a nice extra but of characterization for him the way the story was book ended even if it was a sad story overall.
i've been playing The Witcher 3 for like 12 hours or a bit more, should I finish the game before I watch this, or is it perfectly safe to do both?
Safe to do both
Well, W3 may have spoilers for future potential seasons of this.
Witcher 3 casually spoils a ton of the upcoming show story, the biggest revelation of the show/books is spoiled within the first few minutes really. That said you probably don't want to wait like 7 years to play Witcher 3, so, have at it or read the books.
Started this last night without any knowledge of the story. Almost impossible to follow and there is no narrative hook. One-note main character. Should I keep watching this?
What episode are you at?
The general consensus is that the first couple of episodes (1-2) are the least liked episodes of the season and the timeline get's more clear during the season.
There is something about the visuals that I don't like and it took me a while to pinpoint exactly what it is, or what it might be. And I think it's how everything and everyone looks too "clean" and "pretty". Too neat and organized.
The table at a feast, for example, doesn't look like a table at a feast, where people are eating. But just a carefully build set prop that has not being touched by anyone. A picture of a perfect table with food if you will. This is also true for the costumes, armor, scenery and all that. Even after a battle where the character is in amor and covered in blood that feeling doesn't go away.
A lot of scene lack a messiness and humanity to them to make them more than just props and costumes.
The table at a feast, for example, doesn't look like a table at a feast, where people are eating. But just a carefully build set prop that has not being touched by anyone. A picture of a perfect table with food if you will. This is also true for the costumes, armor, scenery and all that. Even after a battle where the character is in amor and covered in blood that feeling doesn't go away.
A lot of scene lack a messiness and humanity to them to make them more than just props and costumes.
aesthetically i think it was a conscious decision to veer away from bleeding edge reality most medieval dramas portray now. imo it kind of works in places, in others not so much
I agree. Some of the scenes of armies clashing reminds me more of the WoW movie. It's so unrealistic looking that it kind of takes you out of it.
But then other sets/armor/costumes etc. are really well designed. It's more inconsistent than anything.
Which is really how I would sum up this first season. Very inconsistent with a lot of potential.
I'm replaying TW3 and something got my attention regarding Ciri. So a question:
Emhyr says he's Ciri's father in the game. Is he, canonically? The series implies the knight is the father, but I'm wondering if that will be a plot point in the future.
