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"The Vice President has the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors." President Trump on Twitter
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Drives me up a wall that the GOP so willingly goes along with such blatant attempts at trying to steal an election now Trump gave so much oxygen to the idea of election fraud. Fully expecting all GOP who lose races up and down the ballot will pull this strategy. It's free money.
It was pretty funny a few weeks ago when people tried to downplay the insanity that tomorrow will bring after the states certified the electoral votes.
FYI, here's some info on the Electoral College Act of 1887 which will help guide Congress through this fuckery
constitutioncenter.org
Dems control the House and the Senate needs a majority to invalidate any electoral votes (and there's no indication that a majority of Senators will object to any votes), so it's just more time wasting. Pence merely presides over this shit show, IIRC.
Explaining how Congress settles electoral college disputes - National Constitution Center
The next public step in the 2020 presidential election will happen on January 6, 2021, when Congress meets to validate the election. If there are objections at that meeting, a formerly obscure law will be consulted to settle disputes about electors.
Dems control the House and the Senate needs a majority to invalidate any electoral votes (and there's no indication that a majority of Senators will object to any votes), so it's just more time wasting. Pence merely presides over this shit show, IIRC.
Oh come on - not everyone has easy access to a constitutional law professor... ...
I'm prepared for Pence to come out and say the election is invalid and watch it get fought over in court.
He can't decide that though.
He can declare it, but it would be like Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy. It wouldn't mean anything.
If he's not dog whistling, he is gas lighting..
His trick bag is pretty shallow. I think there may be a projector in there too.
His trick bag is pretty shallow. I think there may be a projector in there too.
So much shit could have been avoided by the revolutionary practice of *checks notes* letting the vote count winner win.FYI, here's some info on the Electoral College Act of 1887 which will help guide Congress through this fuckery
Explaining how Congress settles electoral college disputes - National Constitution Center
The next public step in the 2020 presidential election will happen on January 6, 2021, when Congress meets to validate the election. If there are objections at that meeting, a formerly obscure law will be consulted to settle disputes about electors.
Dems control the House and the Senate needs a majority to invalidate any electoral votes (and there's no indication that a majority of Senators will object to any votes), so it's just more time wasting. Pence merely presides over this shit show, IIRC.
So broken.
Now that I'm thinking of that, I expect this to go on into the night, so he might either have to miss his flight (depending on when it is) or leave early and potentially miss the end when he actually declares Biden the winner.
Sure it would. It would be yet another unbelievably bold, stupid move in a looooong line of bold and stupid moves that will further twist and complicate this entire ordeal. It will further make his base foam at the mouth and add legitimacy/justification to what they want to do, which is continue to try and overthrow democracy.
yeah but.... history proves he may just do it and run, watch everyone yell "you cant do that" and then let Trump scream about corruption.
I can already see the FB people, "Pence settled this! Anything besides Trump being sworn in is treason!"
Looks even worse when listed out. Wow.It's quick and sloppy but I keep having to update this for my 1 crazy friend in our group chat. They're out of their minds...
FYI, here's some info on the Electoral College Act of 1887 which will help guide Congress through this fuckery
Explaining how Congress settles electoral college disputes - National Constitution Center
The next public step in the 2020 presidential election will happen on January 6, 2021, when Congress meets to validate the election. If there are objections at that meeting, a formerly obscure law will be consulted to settle disputes about electors.
Dems control the House and the Senate needs a majority to invalidate any electoral votes (and there's no indication that a majority of Senators will object to any votes), so it's just more time wasting. Pence merely presides over this shit show, IIRC.
Yep, it's just going to add up to 12 hours to the process since there are 6 states that Hawley and others plan to object against.
Realistically I wouldn't expect this to be done until Thursday unless Mcconnell tells them to fuck off.
This is a person who has never admitted to losing something in his life, and is extremely pampered and sucked up to by everyone he surrounds himself with. This is how he reacts to being told he lost.
It's unfortunate his cult-like followers can't see that there's no scandal here; just a person who has never admitted he lost before doing literally anything he can to skirt around the fact..
It's unfortunate his cult-like followers can't see that there's no scandal here; just a person who has never admitted he lost before doing literally anything he can to skirt around the fact..
Funnily enough, the Constitution doesn't even assign him that function, just that he open the envelopes.
Unless I'm mistaken, don't they plan to object to multiple states as they come up? AZ, GA, PA, WI, MI, NV come to mind. If they do each, that's about 12 hours
But if I'm wrong about the process someone let me know.
I wish I could say I agree but that motherfucker sold his soul long ago and has been lockstep with the trump train for the past 4 years. I can see him capitulating. Quite easily actually.
Trump is what you get when you take any rando off the street and suddenly make them president. People make plenty of stupid and/or uninformed assumption about government all the time. During the Flint water scandal I encountered several people who openly pondered why Obama wouldn't just fire Rick Snyder from being the governor of Michigan.
Grassley is apparently hinting that Pence might duck out the room so he doesn't have to be the one to announce it lol.
Not really. The US constitution is hundreds of years old and very vague in many respects.
Trump is essentially making a Schmittian argument here. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Schmitt )
This is NOT unusual in the US.
Neoconservatives have based much of their political strategy on Schmitt and Strauss in recent decades.
Dick Cheney for example completely redefined the role of the Vice President simply because there was nothing preventing him from doing so.
This belief has been integral to the Republican party for at least 20 years now.
Trump is just taking the logical next step.
At the end of the day, it is a game of power.
Beyond the US, Schmitt's political philosophy is also widespread.
Schmittian authoritarianism aligns itself perfectly with Mont Pelerinian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_Pelerin_Society) neoliberalism.
A free market at the center fueling oligarchic developments and an authoritarian state bureaucracy allowing and procuring this accumulation of power.
This is why Putin and Trump are so close. They both aim for this ideal. They both see liberal democracy and its parliamentarism putting checks on power as their enemy.
Also, China as well:
So, don't be bewildered by Trump's claims. See them for what they are: The antics of a wannabe Dictator like Putin, Pinochet, or Xi.
The question isn't whether he is right. There is no right and wrong here. The question is whether he will have the power to enforce his will and circumvent whatever constitutional and parliamentary constraints he is faced with.
The same problem every dictator ever has faced just the same.
Also I am sick of the Oscar's analogy. It's not right, either, and the stakes are so low for the fucking oscars.
Epic Oscars Mistake: Faye Dunaway, Warren Beatty Announce Wrong Best Picture Winner
"Moonlight" won best picture after Warren Beatty mistakenly read "La La Land" as the winner.
variety.com
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well no but what do you think is going to happen at these demonstrations tomorrow? it's a call for people to intimidate.
The Oscars accidentally announcing that La La Land won best picture when it was in fact Moonlight.