Ah my bad. So this really is in response to the Sony news. Shrewd.
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The Verge: Microsoft has stopped manufacturing on all Xbox One consoles in 2020
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Tom Warren, the writer of the article, asked them about Xbox One production. They didn't release this information voluntarily or send out a press release.
51M is a number that was cited in the QG article, and given that Xbox executives were interviewed for the article, it's likely the official number provided by MS.
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For all the pre-launch talk, it's funny to think that Microsoft could be ending their cross-gen period before Sony.
100% of Xbox games I play, I play through GamePass, and I still would never buy a disc drive-less Xbox.
Maybe. I've never seen Zhuge's numbers disputed as he seems a pretty reputable source himself.51M is a number that was cited in the QG article, and given that Xbox executives were interviewed for the article, it's likely the official number provided by MS.
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I think at this point it's safe to say they are moving on before Sony. Discontinued their last-gen hardware over a year ago, and AFAIK there are no more crossgen XGS titles coming.
Except that you can play all of last gen's stuff on the new (and generations before that to varying extents), so not really. :)
And the amount of people that married to disks probably are so few that they either already have one or can easily get one that is still available.
Does this really need to become console warrior fodder immediately? Both companies are doing the right things here. There's no Series S model of PS5 so the PS4 makes perfect sense. There is a Series S Xbox at a good price point so discontinuing Xbox One hardware also makes sense.
I would have maybe a slight worry about next gen titles being held back but from what I've seen so far this generation it is not a real issue.
It's even silly as console war fodder.
Company X: "we're making more previous-gen hardware"
Company Y: "we stopped making any previous-gen hardware"
Random posters: "Amazing strategic response to Company X on the part of company Y!"
Ok...how?
Sony supporting the manufacture of its consoles for longer than Microsoft, does not exactly turn any tables.
PlayStation has cross-gen games in 2022 that were planned for release in 2021. That's about as complicated as it gets.
Makes sense. The One wasn't the market leader and having the Series S gives them a low cost option anyhow.
It's even worse then that, since this only came out because they were directly asked, instead of being something they decided to announce:
Company X: "we're making more previous-gen hardware"
Reporter: "hey company Y, are YOU still making previous gen consoles?"
Company Y: "we stopped making any previous-gen hardware *over a year ago*"
It has nothing to do with market leadership. It has to do with supply focus and logistics. You bet your ass Sony would cut PS4 production if there were enough PS5s to meet demand. They are doing a smart thing from a business standpoint and nothing more.
That's some console war 5D chess right there, making their move a year before a journalist even asked the question. Phil is savage.
Literally this.
Sony making more PS4s is an attempt to get any new mainstream players/keep existing ones in the PS ecosystem because they simply can't make enough PS5s to get them that way.
It did, at the end of 2020. They just didn't really announce it. Tom asked them, and they confirmed.
If anything consoles do break and if you can't get a PS5 and there is no new PS4s on the shelves you run the risk of a lifelong Playstation fan picking up the Series S on a whim and never coming back.
So yeah. They gotta have SOMETHING to sell.
Xbox doesn't have that problem because the Series S is available and much easier to produce. If you're buying for a broken Xbox One from 2013, you have a $300 box on stores shelves for them rn.
So yeah. They gotta have SOMETHING to sell.
Xbox doesn't have that problem because the Series S is available and much easier to produce. If you're buying for a broken Xbox One from 2013, you have a $300 box on stores shelves for them rn.
Sony Is Dealing With PlayStation 5 Shortage by Making More PS4s
Sony Group Corp. will continue producing PlayStation 4 consoles throughout 2022 as it navigates disruptions to the global supply chain that have limited output of its pricier PlayStation 5.
www.bloomberg.com
Sony are continuing to make PS4s this year for retail. They are continuing to have no real retail presence for the PS5 because they're all instantly gone so makes sense to have something on shelves at stores.
So Tom asked Xbox if they were still manufacturing Xbox One's and they confirmed that they stopped about a year ago. Presumably less of a need for them because Series S supply is alright.
I don't get this, the ps4 was never going to be discontinued immediately after the ps5 came out.
Apparently it was.
"While Sony never officially announced when it would stop making the PS4, it had previously planned to discontinue assembly at the end of 2021, they said, asking not to be named as the plans are not public."
Makes sense. I wonder what the final sale count is? 50-60M?
W/o Covid I think Xbox and PS4 could've done even better.
PS4 for sure would have crossed 120M without Covid and parts shortage. Xbox one 60M for sure maybe more.
W/o Covid I think Xbox and PS4 could've done even better.
PS4 for sure would have crossed 120M without Covid and parts shortage. Xbox one 60M for sure maybe more.
Thanks..... missed that.Sony Is Dealing With PlayStation 5 Shortage by Making More PS4s
Sony Group Corp. will continue producing PlayStation 4 consoles throughout 2022 as it navigates disruptions to the global supply chain that have limited output of its pricier PlayStation 5.
Sony are continuing to make PS4s this year for retail. They are continuing to have no real retail presence for the PS5 because they're all instantly gone so makes sense to have something on shelves at stores.
So Tom asked Xbox if they were still manufacturing Xbox One's and they confirmed that they stopped about a year ago. Presumably, less of a need for them because Series S supply is alright.
From what I understood, thanks to Covid they actually did do better.
It's the current-gen consoles that got wrecked.
That would be a complete departure from pretty much every system they have released before and frankly make no sense unless it somehow impacted their ability to make ps5s.
You're definitely right. It's kinda surprising.
Although it does match what Jim Ryan had said about wanting to transition PS4 players to PS5 "at a scale and pace that we've never delivered on before".
"These are gamers who are networked and sticky and engaged and passionate about PlayStation to an extent that we've not seen in previous generations," he said. "As we move towards the next-generation in 2020, one of our tasks–probably our main task–is to take that community and transition it from PlayStation 4 to PlayStation 5, and at a scale and pace that we've never delivered on before."
The ability to reduce the price of the PS4 was constrained. MSRP today for PS4 Slim is 299, PS4 Pro at 349 and PS5D at 399 isnt a great spread.
Maybe if they could have gotten PS4 Slim down to 199 or 249 for a profit maybe, but otherwise pre-Covid I could expect them to think keeping the lines running was an excessive cost.
51M is a number that was cited in the QG article, and given that Xbox executives were interviewed for the article, it's likely the official number provided by MS.
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Well yeah but PS4 stock for example was zero during March - Late summer 2020 when TLOU2 and GoT came out. If they had been able to make more I imagine they could've sold at least 2-5M more than they did during that window. But who knows
Yh you are right...forgot how bad the PS4 stock situation was then. Could only recall software sales being up.
My assumption was wrong.
Either way, Xbox One had solid numbers in the end.
As I'm sure others have pointed out this makes sense considering they have the Series S. Without the Series S I suspect they would've kept the Xbox One going for a bit longer but maybe not? Essentially, MS kind of still has a foot in last gen. Sort of.
What's interesting is I think before MS eventually drops the current Series S we could see them drop the current Series X in favor of some revised models. I could see them eventually selling alongside the current Series S a, let's call it, Series S+ model that's essentially just a slimmed down version of the current Series X minus a disc drive and a Series X+ that's a spec bumped Series X.
I saw an analyst say recently that we're not seeing a Switch 2 equivalent until 2024 which feels on the money to me. Also, I think that year will be a big hardware refresh year for all three platform holders, not just Nintendo. Supply chain issues SHOULD be greatly improved by then and the Series S|X and PS5 will have been available for some time by then so I think 2024 makes sense. Also, I think Sony will use that opportunity to pivot to a more MS-like approach replacing the current PS5's with a even cheaper digital only PS5 Slim and a premium PS5 Pro which will lack any digital only option.
What's interesting is I think before MS eventually drops the current Series S we could see them drop the current Series X in favor of some revised models. I could see them eventually selling alongside the current Series S a, let's call it, Series S+ model that's essentially just a slimmed down version of the current Series X minus a disc drive and a Series X+ that's a spec bumped Series X.
I saw an analyst say recently that we're not seeing a Switch 2 equivalent until 2024 which feels on the money to me. Also, I think that year will be a big hardware refresh year for all three platform holders, not just Nintendo. Supply chain issues SHOULD be greatly improved by then and the Series S|X and PS5 will have been available for some time by then so I think 2024 makes sense. Also, I think Sony will use that opportunity to pivot to a more MS-like approach replacing the current PS5's with a even cheaper digital only PS5 Slim and a premium PS5 Pro which will lack any digital only option.
Let's not forget profitability per console has heavy impact on this, it's not just about pushing forward next gen like everyone seems to say. You can assume the One S wasn't really that attractive to a consumer - especially with the Series S available, and the OneX likely isn't very profitable, and trying to lower the cost to make it make sense wouldn't have worked. I assume the regular PS4 is in a different position of having decent demand and being profitable per unit.