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Verge: Lockhart has 7.5GB of usable RAM, the same CPU speed as Series X, about 4 teraflops of GPU performance. [Up: TW - Won't hold back Next-gen]
- Thread starter Kenzodielocke
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I'd buy it as a gift for my cousins as they are still all on 1080p TVs. Once this thing hits $300 that is.
Actually, I just looked you up. I blocked you on Twitter for saying "Does Neil not realise Schreier bleeds blue, to the point he burns if he has to say anything positive about another company...? This must be hurting Schreier very hard..." https://twitter.com/Gavavva/status/1272247847434489865
Then you wrote this gem: https://twitter.com/Gavavva/status/1272252907019218945
Real class act over here. Amazing that you're lying when this happened less than two weeks ago, too.
If Devs increase access to their games, and if the tools support that overhead keeps things to a minimum then it's not much of point to raise, it's just business. It does comes across as a proxy for console wars, just like this fake concern about cross gen games which is geared as something that helps onboard gamers to next gen.
they already do it. ps4, ps4 pro, og xb1, xb1s, xb1x, pc w/ 50 different cards, and in some cases the switch. if anything in a year itll be less work because itll be ps5, xss, xsx, pc w/ 50 different cards, and switch. this just seems like concern trolling to me.
yeesh.
Oh damn. Thank you for shedding some light on it .your input is always appreciated here
Back when we were all speculating about the specs of the chips, Albert Penello said that there are only two real factors in cost w/r/t silicon: (1) design/testing, and (2) size of the chip. They don't have to pay more to have any technology, because they just pay a flat license for AMD's technology when they do a deal with AMD. So unless the RT takes us substantial physical room on the silicon, there's not extra extra cost to implement RT. And I think (but can't be certain) it's just baked into the RDNA2 design.
Just curious, knowing what you know about PS5, you don't think you'd personally get one if you didn't have to for work? I seem to remember you being pretty excited about the hardware, IIRC.
What I conveyed was that developers were excited for the hardware. I personally am way more excited about my PC. If I didn't cover games for a living, I'd probably get a PS5 for Horizon 2 and other exclusives down the road, but I definitely wouldn't get it at launch.
lol
Yeah, I agree with all that you said. But at the same time I believe in the reports (that someone linked a few pages ago), maybe everyone is right in this situation, since the opinions of the developers may have changed since these news came out.
They're not gonna release a > $499 console after what happened to XB1 in 2013.
PS5 will most likely be $449 regular and $349 for Digital
$349 or 379 Lockhart is accurate
$449 or 479 Series X
In my dreams:
$199 Lockhart All-Digital
$299 Lockhart
$399 Series X
Lol, at the QA comment, it's literally their job description. And if devs aren't restricted creatively, then what your saying isn't accurate either. The gold standard is the one they'll be proud of, downstream versions are just a formality. And this has been done on PC for decades, it's integrated into Dev pipeline, it's not something radical. These imagined concerns are something else.
So, is it fair to say the Lockheart machine falls somewhere in the middle between One X/ Ps4 Pro and Series X/Ps5?
You think a Digital 10 TF PS5 and a Digital 4TF Xbox would cost the same ?
It's fair to say it's a lower powered Xbox Series X made for rendering at FHD instead of 4K.
I'm trying work and close tickets but this is the most compelling thread we've had on the gaming side in some time.
On Topic
Is Ray-Tracying 1080p a attainable goal for the Lockhart or is it too much to ask? I'm getting a series x however if that means no grubby cheeto hands and capri sun juices in my console, I'll gladly pay for a streaming box for my boys room.
On Topic
Is Ray-Tracying 1080p a attainable goal for the Lockhart or is it too much to ask? I'm getting a series x however if that means no grubby cheeto hands and capri sun juices in my console, I'll gladly pay for a streaming box for my boys room.
I think we had a Dev here confirm the profiling options a few months ago, and reiterated it's not a big deal, they have well established processes in place to manage versions due to years of experience on PC. I will try to dig it up.
Jason's takedown was savage LMAO!
His comment from a few months ago imo lines up well with this rumour, since the RAM amount really seems lacking if this is indeed the case. It'd be a bummer, I wonder why they would have gone with 10 GB rather than 12 GB, which I believe would probably alleviate that bottleneck in order to make the downgrades more balanced. I guess the GDDR6 modules don't come cheap. Ah well, we'll see how things shake out. From my comfy armchair, the spec sheet doesn't look excessively difficult to work with, but I'm not working with it, so I don't really know. We'll have to see what devs say as they get to work with it over time.
His comment from a few months ago imo lines up well with this rumour, since the RAM amount really seems lacking if this is indeed the case. It'd be a bummer, I wonder why they would have gone with 10 GB rather than 12 GB, which I believe would probably alleviate that bottleneck in order to make the downgrades more balanced. I guess the GDDR6 modules don't come cheap. Ah well, we'll see how things shake out. From my comfy armchair, the spec sheet doesn't look excessively difficult to work with, but I'm not working with it, so I don't really know. We'll have to see what devs say as they get to work with it over time.
A doctored video.
What in fucks name is wrong with you people.
I'm the one to shut up when what you said and linked has added nothing to the conversation?
So, it'll pretty much run everything, just at lower res?
...I know I'm asking so pretty basic questions here, but I'm trying to get my head successfully around where this machine sits, and whether I want to buy one or not.
Thats what I mean by 'the one you want'. In a living room situation where you're sitting 8-12 feet away you need to go up to 80"+ to see the difference. Plus you're going to want HDR10, V-Sync, 120Hz+, etc. At todays prices thats a $5,000 set.
This takes me back to those awesome Xbox forum posts where parents would get the receipts for why their kids were banned from Xbox Live. Thank you for sharing these tweets lmao.
My bold prediction:
PS5 - 549
PS5 Digital - 449
Xbox Series X - 449
Lockhart - 299
It's not because they do that it means they like to do it, Jason's(and other's) story was about dev's thought/opinions in working on more than one device, and as others told me in the answers above, there is the market point of view that would bring more reasons why devs shouldn't bother to work on more than one console, a point that I hadn't thought of and that maybe changed their general opinion on this subject since the stories came out.
And why say I'm doing "concern trolling"? Not necessary.
Lockhart GPU would be about on par with XBOX One X or thereabouts, the CPU and SSD are what make it much better than the One X.
That's the thought, yeah. The GPU gap between this and the Series X is 3x, which should probably be a good enough gap to drop resolutions from 1800p-2160p to 1080p-1440p. Maybe some settings are lowered as well, but it doesn't seem like the settings need to drop dramatically in order to be compatible with next gen games.
In general expect lower resolution and less stable frame rates.
You would think some ppl know this, this being an enthusiast forum....
The stupidest thing about people calling me a PlayStation fanboy is that if I have any emotional attachment to a video game company, it's Nintendo. (Not that that'd ever stop me from reporting critically on the company or its games.) I have zero attachment to Sony or PlayStation. I imagine anyone who's listened to Splitscreen/Triple Click can probably attest to this too.
Anyway, to get this thread back on track, I believe Tom Warren is correct, as he usually is. I heard/reported last year that Lockhart's GPU was around 4 teraflops and that it has an SSD and a faster CPU than any current console. (https://kotaku.com/sources-microsoft-is-still-planning-a-cheaper-disc-le-1840203823)
Anyway, to get this thread back on track, I believe Tom Warren is correct, as he usually is. I heard/reported last year that Lockhart's GPU was around 4 teraflops and that it has an SSD and a faster CPU than any current console. (https://kotaku.com/sources-microsoft-is-still-planning-a-cheaper-disc-le-1840203823)
No one is sure yet. If you have a 4k xsx game theoretically it will just need the resolution and textures reduced. However towards the middle of the gen we might start getting lower res xsx games. If that is the case lowering res might not be enough. They might have to turn off effects and other things. Basically just like if you had a 2080ti and a 2060.
I think Sony and Microsoft are holding their cards close on next gen streaming solutions. I'll be surprised if they both don't offer 4k/60fps within the next 5 years, plus all digital purchases streamable. When this happens, look for the streaming SKU thats just a controller and a little box for $150.
Do you have any idea why the thing is being kept so under wraps? Or is it literally because the target audience for the thing won't be interested in anything about it until it's on the shelves?
The news cycle for this generation has been fascinating in its oddness.
Right. Fair enough. The graphics card analogy is a good way to put it, thanks.
Gotcha. That's much clearer now. Much appreciated. Depending on money and what games it has, I'd like to spring for both PS5 and Series X, but will consider Lockheart if money is a bit tighter, and it still retains some good exclusives.