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The Verge: Huawei’s phone business would be decimated without Google’s Android, there’s no possible upbeat scenario
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It's always been my understanding as a person who lives in the U.S that a U.S. based discussion forum, which I believe ERA is a U.S. based forum, is covered under U.S. fair use laws and I've always been under the assumption that fair use allows for quoting of online news articles with the link to the news article with the intent of discussing said article.
Now that the site moderation here on ERA has problems with full quoting of news articles, I'll not do that anymore and only post small parts of the article.
What a weak argument.
But now tell me why is the USA pushing this on Google to do this?
Because they like some phones they make.
It's like Chick-Fil-A. Scummy company, but people will let that go because of delicious sandwiches.
Yeah it has nothing to do with that there is no proof given.
So how does the CCP slow down the internet speeds for Huawei phone users who don't have a sufficient social credit score? Also can't China just rip off Google's software and make their own version of Google for Huawei users?
Google has a monopoly. And Trump is using this against Huawei. And with that, he is also pressuring his allies further to abandon Huawei.
It is basically a powerplay of the USA on the world. It is crazy how America is making China (who has a bad government) look good.
They could have used their power so much greater. But as seen here the Americans are 100% for Trump's tactics.
Also, tell me what Huawei has specifically done? That defending them is so crazy.
Smartphones are serious business here and most Americans have no perspective outside of their town/state.
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And if you're not buying Huawei because you don't want to give China any money then I got bad news for ya.
Part of what made the attack on Asus so dangerous was that rogue agents compromised the delivery point of their software rather than leveraging potential vulnerabilities in their software. Similarly due to the inherent relationship between China and Huawei in what is a autocratic dictatorship governed by a president-for-life, is that the country has the ability to distribute compromised software as they choose to either network//telecommunications hardware or phones via OTA updates.
If a country is a single-party dictatorship with a president for life, the threat isn't in existing backdoors in the software, it's that the company that makes the hardware and distributes software to that hardware itself can distribute whatever software that company and the party so chooses.
So they have done nothing wrong? And they are punished for something they haven't done but that they could potentially do?
So in your view, Europe should ban Google and other companies from The USA?
In the short term this could and will be bad for Huawei.
But this could also be a possibility for China to push for a rival to Google. In 5 or 10 years from now, we could look at things differently ...
But this could also be a possibility for China to push for a rival to Google. In 5 or 10 years from now, we could look at things differently ...
But it's easier for them to lump people in with Trump supporters.
I think a legitimate argument can be made for the EU to use EU equipment only for critical telecommunications infrastructure over American, and American over the Chinese. Only one of these countries is a single-party dictatorship run by a self-anointed president for life. As for whether they've done anything wrong yet, yes, they have to Nortel. The rest is left to the intelligence communities and that's not likely to be published to the public because that's what fucking intelligence is about.
Are they based in a single-party state run by a dictator for life?
Not really, but they do like to both side a issue, and if a white person or rich person commit a crime compared to any other race, they are mentally unstable, or lone wolf, and that Israel is the good guy, and anyone saying anything bad is being anti-semetic.
But that doesn't seem to be malicious, but more for profit then the truth.
So we all need to separate? No partnership anymore (every country for itself or in this case America First, and use your monopoly to silence another company). And why does it matter how China is run?
Yes, China has a horrible government. But that isn't the premise of this action and it won't help the situation, probably the opposite.
So how can you punish someone for something they haven't done? Not because you have the potential of wrongdoing that you should be punished. Otherwise, we would be all in jail.
So you don't support Trump in this action? And you agree that there are other and better ways? Or do you like this bullying tactic when you are not on the receiving end?
Because a company based in a single party state run by a dictator that already has a bad history- i.e. Nortel is not one that can or does deserve a modicum of trust.
You've already repeatedly questioned the value of democracy elsewhere, but despite that your post isn't really relevant to my response in that both a VOX and CNN publication are inherently more trustworthy than one based in a single-party state run by a dictator.
First thanks for the discussion. Ok, no problem. So they don't deserve trust. So they can't get a second chance. But what is the foul that they have done now?
They've already engaged in bad faith with Nortel, they don't get to come back from that, especially not when they're a part of a single-party state run by a dictator.
I know I keep repeating it, but it's an obvious and important point.
Ah ok, that was the first strike. Why didn't they get banned then? Or is it just coincidence that it happens with this Trade war?
Also why not keep them on a short leash and tell them that as soon that they behave badly again that they are out?
Huawei's issues predate the current idiot of a president. A lot of things need cracking down on, including Huawei. Trump will face his own, separate consequences eventually.
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The TPP was action as a pacific trade bloc that would have excluded them. The intelligence community didn't like them before the trade war let alone after.
Jesus, a short leash? Or just avoid the problem entirely and don't let an arm of a single-party dictatorship build critical telecommunications infrastructure at all.
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As someone who's had their entire adult life of data stolen by China, including fingerprints, I'd rather not give China an unfettered pathway into US telecommunications
Bad press more than anything is bad for Huawei, consumers will be scared of buying one of their phones.
Just to clarify Huawei is not losing Android, but google services on future models. (there is actually a gap of about 100-200 days from US to formalize this ban, we haven't heard China's official response to this yet)
As for the software, yes there will be an impact, and we've seen a similar example with Meizu already.
Meizu is a very good smartphone manufacturer, but when it comes to software it was the only chinese company (among the big ones) who wasn't happy with Google's policies and they decided to go alone with their services (and Alibaba in China). They still managed to get a decent market share in markets like Russia and eastern Europe but never been able to grow as their other chinese competitors because of the lack of Google Services.
I'm very curious in this case cause Huawei is a far bigger company than Meizu, they've been working on proprietary services for a while now, they knew about the upcoming ban, and i'm also expecting a big response from China which threatened repercussions on US & Canada just few months ago.
Just to clarify Huawei is not losing Android, but google services on future models. (there is actually a gap of about 100-200 days from US to formalize this ban, we haven't heard China's official response to this yet)
As for the software, yes there will be an impact, and we've seen a similar example with Meizu already.
Meizu is a very good smartphone manufacturer, but when it comes to software it was the only chinese company (among the big ones) who wasn't happy with Google's policies and they decided to go alone with their services (and Alibaba in China). They still managed to get a decent market share in markets like Russia and eastern Europe but never been able to grow as their other chinese competitors because of the lack of Google Services.
I'm very curious in this case cause Huawei is a far bigger company than Meizu, they've been working on proprietary services for a while now, they knew about the upcoming ban, and i'm also expecting a big response from China which threatened repercussions on US & Canada just few months ago.
So you want to block everything from China? Unless it isn't technology or if they change their ways. Why does America (not only them of course) always rely on them then? Or are they only helpful for cheap labor? Isn't it better to set certain criteria that a company has to fulfill to join the market? Wouldn't that be much fairer?
They should be able to. Don't companies have to give over their source code to the Chinese government if they want to do business there? Serious question.
the motivation is common sense and common courtesy. It's not really hard to wrap your head around. Resetera is a for profit forum that sells ads and fully copying someone else's work to it isn't covered under fair use and I doubt they are willing to go through the legal hassle you think they should to do that.
Have you ever thought why huwai phones are cheaper and yet have cutting edge IP in them? Almost like they aren't doing all their own R&D and have access to other people's research as well as being state sponsored. Come on there is a reason the entire world isn't happy with them it's not just Trump.
Lol go away you wu mao red guard.
Don't forget all of China's bullying tactics over cross-strait relations and everything else they do to insert themselves into other countries' business interests.
Huh, what? Is this the way you discuss it? Post me back when you have grown up.
Nah, I go straight to the Chinese government when I want truth.
My mom has a Xiaomi A2 lite.
I bought it for her as a gift, and I hope that phone is not gonna get fucked up.
I bought it for her as a gift, and I hope that phone is not gonna get fucked up.
If this does ever happen Apple and iOS becomes the default king of the world. I rather that not happen.
Although sadly I think it will happen. New alternative OS in the mobile space will show up in emerging markets and the only one remaining at the end will be iOS. You just cant dethrone a product that is marketed as a luxury good, those will last for as long as capitalist societies exist. Google doing this to Huawei, even if it's the right thing to do, will hurt Android's longevity in my opinion.
Huawei sells a lot of phones in china, it won't affect them there as there is no play store or google services in china. Now this will probably kill their growth in most foreign markets but they can probably salvage a few countries.
It will be interesting to see what ultimately caused google to go this way and how long it sticks (They slowly are wanting their way back into china and this probably will hurt their partnerships with other phone manufacturers from china).
It will be interesting to see what ultimately caused google to go this way and how long it sticks (They slowly are wanting their way back into china and this probably will hurt their partnerships with other phone manufacturers from china).
Good. I know they're working on their own OS, but nobody in the west is going to touch that now.
How is this a lie? Developing their own OS and app store isn't going to be easy, and if they continue to use Android it will make their job a lot harder.
This is what actually worries me somewhat. I imagine Android gives Chinese dissidents the ability to install 3rd party apps in a way iOS doesn't allow. A potentially closed source and locked down OS becoming the dominant OS in China could be bad for the most vulnerable.