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The Verge “ Why is the PS5 outperforming the ‘world’s most powerful console’?
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Not sure but that one guy clearly showed him up, whoever he is. He will be getting the Resetera gold karma coin for today. /s
Why exactly are people expecting the XSX to outperform Ps5 by default?
I've seen several articles now trying to explain the recent multiplat situations that have shown pretty much parity or very small differences. Where are they coming from?
I've seen several articles now trying to explain the recent multiplat situations that have shown pretty much parity or very small differences. Where are they coming from?
When he mentioned the documentation issue I had a PS3 development issues PTSD flashback.
Where have you been the last 6-8 months. And so many people confident of sheer advantages on the rendering side of things because of a better looking spec sheet. When a vocal minority of us was saying it's saying it's the closest it's ever been and/or there will be differences based on what games take advantage of what each platforms strengths are.
Trueeeeee. You guys better put some respect on Jasons name lol
What I actually said on Kotaku Splitscreen about the PlayStation 5's specs
Earlier today, someone made an awful thread based on a lengthy conversation I had on the Kotaku Splitscreen podcast by transcribing a single line from it, and it led to 12 pages of truly embarrassing discourse. Since so many of you commented and reacted without actually listening to the episode...www.resetera.com
The amount of flak I got for saying this...
Yeah. People seem insistent on not understanding this particular point.
It might not pan out that way, but it isn't an absurd suggestion. Not remotely. And like you point out, we've been hearing about it since before launch games arrived.
You can make excuses all the livelong day but when you've been shouting "we have the most powerful console ever" for months and don't deliver, it's hard not to see all that BS as marketing-speak.
- 12 vs 10TF difference in teraflop spec
- MS marketing it as strongest console/etc etc
- Benefits of sustained performance vs variable performance according to Xbox engineers
- Xbox having the full RDNA2 feature set vs PS5
- etc etc
GDK isn't a fresh start. As with most things, it's an iterative process with the vast majority of the groundwork being carried over.
How long should we give them? When you market a machine repeatedly as the power powerful video game system in the world, and you're selling it along side your competitor for the same price, seems to me you'd want something to show for it.
Remember when warriors thought jschreier was lying about what developers were saying about the PS5? Developers were right then, but alas.
The name being called "Xbox Series" leads me to believe MS might make another one so it is "stronger". If Sony makes an even stronger one they might make another.
Did Microsoft ever put in their website "the most powerful console"?
The last time I saw, it was "The most powerful Xbox" and that's accurate.
The last time I saw, it was "The most powerful Xbox" and that's accurate.
Nah, resetera cares more about the "gotcha" moments than actual technical discussions.
This sort of thing is relatively common in the pc space, AMD graphics cards for example used to gain performance overtime because their release day drivers were usually pretty horribly optimized. NV gained performance too, overtime, but way less, simply because their launch drivers were generally better.
If what the article states is true, and devs generally had less time to work with Xbox series consoles, then, yeah, it's likely that XSX/XSS is being choked a bit on the software side.
Surprised at the flak this article is getting. This makes sense. New, less well documented tooling with less time to learn it = inferior performance. Was it orchestrated poorly to coincide with their marketing? Of course. But that doesn't really invalidate what's being stated. I don't see why people have to be so aggro about the possibility that the SX could perform marginally better (like the current PS5 margins now) a year or two from now.
It's pretty obvious that the XSX and PS5 are equal in the power/performance department. Any minor differences will only be able to be measured with a magnifying glass and electronic capture tools. Anybody that thinks that improved tools or any other magic will make the XSX vastly outperform the PS5 is living in an alternate reality.
Both are great consoles, enjoy either or both.
Both are great consoles, enjoy either or both.
That's true and it's a mistake on my part. I think a better choice of words would be "transitioning their tools from XDK to GDK" and even transitioning loses the meaning/isn't the correct choice of words. Thanks for the correction.
It's becoming increasingly clear MS wasn't ready to release the Series X and only did so to make sure Sony didn't have a 6 mo - 1 year head start. It shows in devs not having access to the tools until much later and having no first party games available for their console on launch day. I get why they did it but I struggle to understand what they were doing all those years when it was clear the Xbox One wasn't a success. They lacked a lot of exclusives in the final years so what were they doing to make sure that didn't happen again?
that'll show tom warren, some blue checkmark guy from the internet™, that you don't mess with the resetera console boys
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This type of article coming out right now is the absolute worst PR nightmare Microsoft could think of.
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No one is saying that. But its obvious he is doing some serious damage control based on what he had said in the past.
he knows he was full of shit in the past and now has to make excuses.
And I am in the camp that fully expects the series x to outperform ps5 in the near future; console warriors are just fun.
I remember, I remember it all, they were mad when threads of devs praising it because they thought they were song biased, or when Jason, matt, or Richard all were saying the same things. Or even guess what we knew this would be the case for somy from freaking March when they pretty much flat out said you can get games up and running in a month, and even dev with zero knowledge of the PS5s added features. But cerny is a liar. Like I hope some people learn who to trust on these things especially when it's snowballing from various who aren't visibly connected vs trusting some random post online because it confirms their biases.
Sony's tools aren't 'finished' either and are improving and getting better too.
And you have the last laugh. You and many developers tried to tell people to stop looking only at the teraflops number. But console warriors didn't listen.
Well said.
Those warriors spoke too soon, just like some warriors on the opposite side are doing now. I guess in some months everyone will sing a different song depending on the game analysed.
I wouldn't say so to be honest. These consoles are so close in terms of performance there won't be a massive advantage on either side as we go further into the generation, that is unless the devs fuck up one of the release. The Xbox will eventually get the better performers but the difference will be minuscule.
Not terribly illuminating. Was hoping for more detailed observations from developers.
Seems premature for Tom to conclude its just a games problem too, rather than a system software problem - or that this may not also be a factor. We know Microsoft's approach to Xbox drivers and APIs last gen caused performance issues in the early days of the Xbox One, and I'd not be at all surprised if there's a similar scenario here. And also, what cost - if any - the extra abstraction to support unified tools across PC and Xbox creates.
Seems premature for Tom to conclude its just a games problem too, rather than a system software problem - or that this may not also be a factor. We know Microsoft's approach to Xbox drivers and APIs last gen caused performance issues in the early days of the Xbox One, and I'd not be at all surprised if there's a similar scenario here. And also, what cost - if any - the extra abstraction to support unified tools across PC and Xbox creates.
Also, what exactly is he expecting MS to say?
"We've fucked it lads, just hold off on this one and we'll box it off for the next console."
It's so fucking early for any of this. It's almost as if going balls deep on TF as the be all and end all capability measurement metric was a terrible idea prior to the consoles launch...
"We've fucked it lads, just hold off on this one and we'll box it off for the next console."
It's so fucking early for any of this. It's almost as if going balls deep on TF as the be all and end all capability measurement metric was a terrible idea prior to the consoles launch...
Phil Spencer has been in charge for years and this stuff is supposed to be planned out well in advance. At this point, the buck's gotta stop somewhere.
One gotta feed the console war fire in order to validate one's purchase. This forum seems to have been swarmed by spoiled children these last few months.
AC Valhalla probably started dev on PS4 and XOne kits anyway no? And considering how Microsoft has been flaunting its BC capabilities and the ability for BC games to take full advantage of the extra horsepower, you'd imagine that an Xbox One compiled game would be able to run almost 2x better on Series X. I highly doubt the tools were much of an issue here, especially since AC doesn't really utilise any of the next-gen exclusive featureset.
I think it is Basically based on these tweets below and other comments he has made! He said with the Xbox Series X, there will ALWAYS be a gap. Then when several PS5 games are outperforming the Xbox Series X versions, he says it's early, and the tools aren't mature enough, so just be patient. So basically, there will ALWAYS be a gap, but be patient to see when that gap ALWAYS appears cause we need the tools to mature a bit.
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This is why I don't like Verge. That title is just paid PR nonsense. It's like they don't even try to hide their bias. Look at their PS5 glitch tweet. As if Tom Warren has any understanding of Architecture and Power TDP of SOC used in PS5. I don't want to say this but he must be the most biased journalist out there when it comes to Microsoft. This story could have been presented differently
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He made a smug bet and ended up being very wrong, no need to try and out-smug him
These hot takes on a console launch are just fueling the fire. As a PS5 owner I fully realize that there are a lot of factors that play into performance on each machine and the launch games should really not be used as a gauge to measure the greatness or limitations of said hardware. The things both these consoles will be able to pull off in years to come will be nothing short of amazing.
I mean, look at some of the games devs are pulling off on PS4 and Xbox. Can you imagine the crazy shit we will start seeing on these new consoles? It's going to be one hell of a ride!
I mean, look at some of the games devs are pulling off on PS4 and Xbox. Can you imagine the crazy shit we will start seeing on these new consoles? It's going to be one hell of a ride!
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Good write up that I had kinda been waiting for after all those DF videos. Hopefully it is just as simple as time and MS needing to improve on documentation.
It's usually bad around launches but this year seems especially worse.
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