The trophy/achievement system still has room for improvement heading into next-gen

[Sphinx]

How would you improve the system OP? What would you like to see them implement?

Click to shrink...

from the top of my head:

I want to decide for myself whether I want the game to get "registered" in my list of games for which I collect trophies. I want to decide for myself whether I want to get trophies in an specific playthrough.


there's a difference between, say, TLOU2, where I know I will get the platinum before I even buy the game and say, Gravity Rush 2, which has beeen hit or miss for the GR fanbase.

for the first, the system can stay how it is.

For the 2nd I want to try and play it without sony putting unwanted trophies in my list. if I liked the game so much I can start over with the trophies turned on, if I didn't like it, I can just sell it or not play it anymore, if I decided it was just ok I can play with through it without trophies. I want to decide all that by myself.

(if all this is somehow possible, then yeah, thread can get locked)

 

[Kyrona]

They are an optional thing that allow me to spend more time with games I love.

I wouldn't have played until dawn as many times as I did to get the platinum without it, and I don't regret an instant of doing so. I don't worry about trophies on games I don't love/have obnoxious achievements like mp only, but I enjoy them immensely when they make me more engaged with game systems or mini games. I played darts in FF7R for like 30 minutes - learning the best ways to stabilize my aim while going for the achievement.

 

[bushmonkey]

I love them and while I would love to hear of improvements or changes, I do like them as they are so it doesn't particularly upset me if they don't change.

 

[Chamon]

One improvement I'd like to see: in PS4, when you get a trophy the console makes a screenshot. Sometimes these shots are taken in really bad moments, like when you are in menus or loading screens. Devs could be more careful when defining the moment that triggers the trophy. Also, it would be awesome to have a system that would allow for better memories of trophy achievements, like gifs or short clips for example.

 

[Tankshell]

I like the way PC Uplay implements them. You can actually use your earned achievement points for money off your next game.

 

[Mushlikeahusky]

Everyone I've ever talked to loves trophies and achievements.

 

[gozu]

I wish nobody cared.

Who wants pop ups in their games? Not me. (edit: of COURSE I disabled them. That didn't disable my dislike of them.)

Who thinks "platinum"-ing a game is a real achievement? Not me. Go defeat some humans in a tourney if you want "gamer cred".

Far as I'm concerned, trophies and achievements are traps to artificially pad game length and delay game resale by the people who have compulsions to complete things (which is a lot of us).

That's it. There is no quality in it. Hope trophies go away and I am happy Nintendo never implemented that garbage.

 

[MadMike]

How would you suggest improving them? They serve their purpose

Click to shrink...

Progression tracking is desperately needed on PlayStation. Unless I'm tracking it manually, I don't know how close I am to getting a trophy.

 

[ZeroX]

I wish nobody cared.

Who wants pop ups in their games? Not me.

Who thinks "platinum"-ing a game is a real achievement? Not me. Go defeat some humans in a tourney if you want "gamer cred".

Far as I'm concerned, trophies and achievements are traps to artificially pad game length and delay game resale by the people who have compulsions to complete things (which is a lot of us).

That's it. There is no quality in it. Hope trophies go away and I am happy Nintendo never implemented that garbage.

Click to shrink...

disable them and you never have to care again. like I can't even imagine caring as much as you do about something that's completely ignorable lol

 

[jaymzi]

Thy are a great way for me to keep a log of games I have played and when I completed them.

 

[Rosebud]

I wish nobody cared.

Who wants pop ups in their games? Not me.

Who thinks "platinum"-ing a game is a real achievement? Not me. Go defeat some humans in a tourney if you want "gamer cred".

Far as I'm concerned, trophies and achievements are traps to artificially pad game length and delay game resale by the people who have compulsions to complete things (which is a lot of us).

That's it. There is no quality in it. Hope trophies go away and I am happy Nintendo never implemented that garbage.

Click to shrink...

I don't want "gamer cred", I want to have a "diary" of the games I played and what I did on them.

If you don't care, just disable the pop ups.

 

[Leo]

What do you mean "they don't care"? What kind of work are you expecting them to do that they're not doing? Isn't the system fully functional?

I don't understand this thread.

I like trophies even though I have never Platinumed any game, I think it's fun and engages the player a bit more with the game. I miss them when playing Nintendo games.

 

[Smoshow]

I personally have never cared much for achievement or trophies, but a lot of people do. Having them doesn't affect my enjoyment so I don't mind them staying for those that like them.

 

[Bishop89]

I hope devs stop NOT including platinums in their games. So idiotic.

I am more inclined to try a game I have no interest in if it has a platinum.

 

[Aladan]

Only thing I can think of improving the Playstation system is to see the progress of the trophys with xx/50 of something like on Xbox.

 

[Kyrona]

Far as I'm concerned, trophies and achievements are traps to artificially pad game length and delay game resale by the people who have compulsions to complete things (which is a lot of us).

Click to shrink...

I mean achievements can get people to play through games in completely different ways when otherwise they wouldn't have cared to. Many a speed runner has started learning routes through a game while trying to earn an achievement.

 

[Sheng Long]

from the top of my head:

I want to decide for myself whether I want the game to get "registered" in my list of games for which I collect trophies.

and then

I want to decide for myself whether I want to get trophies in an specific playthrough.


there's a difference between, say, TLOU2, where I know I will get the platinum before I even buy the game and say, Gravity Rush 2, which has beeen hit or miss for the GR fanbase.

for the first, the system can stay how it is.

For the 2nd I want to try and play it without sony putting unwanted trophies in my list. if I liked the game so much I can start over with the trophies turned on, if I didn't like it, I can just sell it or not play it anymore, if I decided it was just ok I can play with through it without trophies. I want to decide all that by myself.

(if all this is somehow possible, then yeah, thread can get locked)

Click to shrink...

You can play on a guest account if you don't want a certain game's trophies on your main account.

 

[Fisty]

I wish nobody cared.

Who wants pop ups in their games? Not me.

Who thinks "platinum"-ing a game is a real achievement? Not me. Go defeat some humans in a tourney if you want "gamer cred".

Far as I'm concerned, trophies and achievements are traps to artificially pad game length and delay game resale by the people who have compulsions to complete things (which is a lot of us).

That's it. There is no quality in it. Hope trophies go away and I am happy Nintendo never implemented that garbage.

Click to shrink...

See Sphinx this is why you dont see many people bring up trophies/achievements too often on this site. You have assholes like this that just can't help themselves and need to let everyone know how much they hate what other people enjoy and it shouldn't exist. If you had posted this during "normal business hours" half of this thread would be posts like this

 

[2Blackcats]

I wish nobody cared.

Who wants pop ups in their games? Not me.

Who thinks "platinum"-ing a game is a real achievement? Not me. Go defeat some humans in a tourney if you want "gamer cred".

Far as I'm concerned, trophies and achievements are traps to artificially pad game length and delay game resale by the people who have compulsions to complete things (which is a lot of us).

That's it. There is no quality in it. Hope trophies go away and I am happy Nintendo never implemented that garbage.

Click to shrink...

Turn off notifications.

I don't buy multiplatform games on switch anymore

 

[jsnepo]

I am wondering if we can disable trophies. Can we?

 

[Deleted member 9584]

To me, a comprehensive play time tracker and maybe even some stat tracking (like distance travelled, enemies killed, etc) at the OS level would be way better than trophies. I believe the Xbox One OS does this for some games.

 

[RedSparrows]

Lack of imagination 101.

Players like them. Others can safely ignore them. End of.

 

[Adrifi]

I know people who buy games only because of their achievements.

 

[Brazil]

Switch every mention of "trophy system" with "power cord" and you get a very funny thread.

The trophy/achievement systems are what they need to be. They work perfectly and they serve their purpose.

 

[Rodelero]

I think it's just an inevitable consequence of the fact that the people that care about achievements do not want well designed, challenging or interesting achievements. They want a straight-forward box-ticking exercise that proves they've completed the game.

Very hard for designers to give a damn in that context.

 

[Rodrigues solitaire]

Trophies have allowed me to get more out of my games, explore things I wouldn't have done/seen otherwise, and make me remember certain things of the game just by looking at the trophies and their dates etc. They're fucking great. Wish Nintendo would just get on with the times and implement them. What's the point of completing Xenoblade for example if I won't be able to remember any of that banal shit two weeks later - at least with a trophy list I'd be able to go ah yeah I remember.

 

[silva1991]

You live under a tent in the middle of nowhere. People care about them and trophy hunters still exist.

 

[Sprat]

I wish you could delete games from the list regardless of %

I hate things but being 100% but I refuse to play games I don't like and just get stuck with that stain on my profile.

Either that or just let me completely remove the trophy section from the ui so I never have to see it

 

[RestEerie]

Improve or just get rid of it. what's everyone's opinion about this?

Click to shrink...

that's alot of words of ranting without offering any supposed improvements that you seek.


"I WANT IT TO BE BETTER!!"

ok, better how?

 

[Abylim]

Why fix what isn't broken? It's not terribly hard to implement trophies or achievements, lots of people like them or use them, and those that don't, just ignore them.
What's the issue? What would you improve with it?

 

[Rosebud]

from the top of my head:

I want to decide for myself whether I want the game to get "registered" in my list of games for which I collect trophies. I want to decide for myself whether I want to get trophies in an specific playthrough.


there's a difference between, say, TLOU2, where I know I will get the platinum before I even buy the game and say, Gravity Rush 2, which has beeen hit or miss for the GR fanbase.

for the first, the system can stay how it is.

For the 2nd I want to try and play it without sony putting unwanted trophies in my list. if I liked the game so much I can start over with the trophies turned on, if I didn't like it, I can just sell it or not play it anymore, if I decided it was just ok I can play with through it without trophies. I want to decide all that by myself.

(if all this is somehow possible, then yeah, thread can get locked)

Click to shrink...

Not the same, but you can hide games from your profile on PSN.

 

[marcinaldo]

One of the reasons why I don't buy 3rd party games on Switch is that they don't have trophies. I like this system a lot and don't need any changes to it

 

[BasilZero]

Both as a dev and as a player I care very deeply about them and want Nintendo to add them

Click to shrink...

I am not a developer but this basically

Honestly if there was an achievement system - I wouldn't mind buying third party multiplat titles

I mean I double dip on PS4/PC multiplat titles just for that reason

 

[iFirez]

Tiny bit of a sidebar to the main topic... I have friends who won't play Nintendo games or older games because they don't have achievements. Which blows my mind! I've never cared about Achievements, maybe it's because I grew up gaming a lot before they were a thing but they're like a side bonus to me which I don't really focus on. They kinda seem almost like gamer clout to me, being able to brag about something and then shoot others down if they don't have a certain thing. For me achievements mean very little but I know they're a huge selling point for many but I'm not sure they need to change or update in anyway.

 

[NLCPRESIDENT]

*thread backfire*

Didnt PS3 have a big trophy room you could go in and see all your trophies? I want that back 😒

otherwise I love the platinums I'm never motivated to get.

 

[Deleted member 49535]

Why exactly do they need to change it? There's nothing wrong with the system.

 

[Scottoest]

When was it determined that no one cares about achievements and trophies? Because no one has written or talked about them in a while?

They work for what they are. I think it'd be cool if they both expanded on those systems to make them more engaging, but it also wouldn't be on my top 10 list of priorities.

I personally don't really pay much attention to my achievements and trophies, but I'd be lying if I didn't say a felt a small internal dopamine rush when that achievement sound plays and it tells me I unlocked one.

 

[Sphinx]

What do you mean "they don't care"?

Click to shrink...

we've seen hardware makers talk about everything through out the year: the innards of the consoles, upcoming games for 20/21, prices, models, services like Game pass.

when I see they never ever mentions trophies or achievements, I assume "they don't care" or they don't see as something relevant or a selling point. As you can see in this thread, many people care, me included, but S/M don't seem to think improvements have to be added, they just let the system "be there". The media behaves like that too.

I wouldlike to see an article or interview where the question "how are you going to improve trophies/achievements heading into next-gen?" from one single journalist.

implying the T/A systems are "absolutely, prefectly fine and need no further improvement that's why no one talks about it" is silly, it can always be more user-friendly.

Progression tracking is desperately needed on PlayStation. Unless I'm tracking it manually, I don't know how close I am to getting a trophy.

Click to shrink...

this too.

 

[GongagaSOLDIER]

I like them. They encourage and motivate to keep finding things or doing things I wouldn't normally do in the normal play of the game. Sometimes it's led to some of my favourite discoveries in modern games.

 

[gzell60]

Just last night I hit 9000 trophies and I don't see my excitement for hunting going away anytime soon.

The system itself is already pretty good, the only thing I am missing is a more fleshed out rewards logic.

 

[SlickVic]

I think one of my favorite aspects of trophies/achievements these days is the timestamps. I like being able to pull up a game I've played before, and knowing exactly when in my life I played it based on the trophies/achievements I earned. Not something I thought about much when these systems first got implemented, but now that that they've been in place for ~12-14 years at this point, it's kind of fun for me to take that stroll down memory lane at times by randomly pulling up old games I've played.

I don't doubt there can be improvements made to the system, but I'm glad it's there.

 

[BigTime_2018]

+1ing that I wish Nintendo had an achievement system.

 

[Rosebud]

I wish you could delete games from the list regardless of %

I hate things but being 100% but I refuse to play games I don't like and just get stuck with that stain on my profile.

Either that or just let me completely remove the trophy section from the ui so I never have to see it

Click to shrink...

You can do that at "privacy settings" on PS4

 

[T0kenAussie]

The Xbox subreddit has achievement score milestone posts every single day.

weve past the trophy / achievement hunter days and the articles about stallion23 but players still like them and devs still make them because they are a staple of interaction with the medium. Like party lobby's and party chat

 

[Chettlar]

It's always so bizarre how some people have such enthusiasm behind abolishing a feature they can simply switch off and never interact with.

Click to shrink...

Right?

I don't CARE about TROPHIES and ACHIEVEMENTS guys. They are so POINTless and they should be REMOVED from VIDEO GAMES. But a DEFINITELY DON'T CARE.

 

[Abylim]

Tiny bit of a sidebar to the main topic... I have friends who won't play Nintendo games or older games because they don't have achievements. Which blows my mind! I've never cared about Achievements, maybe it's because I grew up gaming a lot before they were a thing but they're like a side bonus to me which I don't really focus on. They kinda seem almost like gamer clout to me, being able to brag about something and then shoot others down if they don't have a certain thing. For me achievements mean very little but I know they're a huge selling point for many but I'm not sure they need to change or update in anyway.

Click to shrink...

I'm 35. Been gaming since the NES with my dad. I love trophies. It's not so much bragging as it tickles this completion thing inside me. And quite often, it adds replay ability. If I really like a game (trials of mana for instance) I'll check out the list and do multiple play throughs.

 

[Wise]

I care and I absolutely hate the fact that switch games don't have them

 

[Chettlar]

I wish nobody cared.

Who wants pop ups in their games? Not me. (edit: of COURSE I disabled them. That didn't disable my dislike of them.)

Who thinks "platinum"-ing a game is a real achievement? Not me. Go defeat some humans in a tourney if you want "gamer cred".

Far as I'm concerned, trophies and achievements are traps to artificially pad game length and delay game resale by the people who have compulsions to complete things (which is a lot of us).

That's it. There is no quality in it. Hope trophies go away and I am happy Nintendo never implemented that garbage.

Click to shrink...

Is this a copypasta?

 

[BigTime_2018]

And Microsoft knows this. There is a reason that now all games say XXXX/2125 or whatever instead of XXXX/1000. It's to incentivize people to get DLC. It used to be that it would say at XXXX/1000 until you started a given PC of DLC.

Click to shrink...

I hated this when I had an Xbox One. If you don't have the DLC, the DLC achievements shouldn't be there.

 

[Deleted member 49535]

You can do that at "privacy settings" on PS4

Click to shrink...

That's hiding them to others, not deleting them. You still see them.