Nobody was saying she was stupid. We were saying she was a gutless coward, of which there is AMPLE evidence.
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The Thunder in the Rotunda: How Nancy Pelosi rope-a-doped Trump.
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Nobody was saying she was stupid. We were saying she was a gutless coward, of which there is AMPLE evidence.
The problem is that this article's overcorrecting WAY too far in the opposite direction into "Pelosi the 12th dimensional chess master", there was an NYT article a day or two ago that was similarly living in revisionist history, but nowhere close to this degree. She indeed did get vindicated on the decision to hold off on taking the actually attempting to remove him from office until an opportunity presented itself, but that in and of itself didn't cause Trump to be a dummy and fall into a trap, there just was never a clear, unambiguous opportunity to do it prior to him screwing himself over on his own.
Throughout her career? Of course not.
On this extremely important issue that demanded immediate attention well before yesterday? Yes, she has been useless up until now.
No. I don't. Trump stonewalling the investigations was leading to more reps supporting impeachment which would've lead to Pelosi flipping eventually, probably within the next few months regardless. If some of the investigations bore fruit it would've only made impeachment easier at, again, no cost other than a few months and a few people freaking out that government doesn't act on things instantly.
There was no course of events that would not have lead to impeachment eventually within the next few months with the way things were going.
Well, yeah.
I certainly agreed that him trying to hide it made it look worse.
Please someone take this and put Pelosi's head on Luigi, and then Trump, Rudy, and Barr's on the others
Beat me to it.
Pelosi, again, did nothing. Nothing of consequence will be done until after Trump is out of office. The Senate is Republican held, and will not impeach their President. NY state, on the other hand, will likely go after him after he's no longer in office for things he did in the state of NY involving fraud, tax evasion and hush money.
He'll go down like a stupid Capone.
He'll go down like a stupid Capone.
Beat me to it.
This is the best visualization of what happened. It wasn't genius.
She would have had to answer to her own party for stifling them, and investigations are ammunition for the 2020 election. I'm not saying Pelosi's actions are consistent with supporting Trump. They just look to me like she ruled out impeachment as a ridiculous pie-in-the-sky notion, and is now being pushed reluctantly into it.
You said "didn't want to" not "didn't plan on" so I was responding to the notion of being actively opposed.
As I said:
Though if the calculus never quite got there I don't doubt she wouldn't have pushed the button.
2019 has been bad for many many reasons, but it was also good because this got to be a sentence.
The only thing I've learned from the last 3 years is that no one in Washington is actually a veteran master strategist with some massive network of dead man's switches and political traps for their opponents. They're all just bumbling, cowardly, old fools to some degree or another. Sometimes good things happen, more often than not by coincidence, but on the whole none of this stuff is as complicated or premeditated as some people want to act like it is.
I mean it was smart not to give in to base emotions and lead an Impeachment inquiry into a fiery PR disaster on the House but how we got here was mere opportunity.
I haven't kept up with the US side of things as I've been too busy watching my home country of the UK turn into a racist facist shitheel hellhole, but I thought Pelosi had to be pushed into this decision and there's a consensus she should have made it way before now?
She has indeed resisted but as turns out this was the exact right time to pull the switch.
I hope you get the bastard out. Just like I hope we get our own mini-trump, Boris, AKA the shit scarecrow out. We could all do with some good bloody news in todays climate I think.
Never have , never will and I'll only roll my eyes at the people who try to spin it as being 4d chess all along. At least we finally got here
Slay QWEEEN!!! What an absolutely idiotic take. She had no Masterplan other than to not shake the boat.
Yeah, this article is nuts.
Events have transpired is such a way that Trump delivered a cause for impeachment on a silver platter, and the Democrats are seizing the opportunity.
But that wasn't the plan. The plan was to beat him at the ballot box.
Events have transpired is such a way that Trump delivered a cause for impeachment on a silver platter, and the Democrats are seizing the opportunity.
But that wasn't the plan. The plan was to beat him at the ballot box.
Luck has very little to do with this.
From day 2 this white house couldn't stop leaks. Some of them came from the President talking to rich people who have no obligation to maintain disclosure.
Even before his campaign we knew he was a greedy individual and during it it became obvious he was corrupt like the way he loaned his own money to the campaign and used donations to pay it back.
6 months in we learned various team members was working to keep his worse impulses in check culminating in the resistance op ed.
Those people arguing that Pelosi could wait had the right idea that Trump could do more things that he could be impeached for. What was silly about their rationale was that Trump already crossed that line multiple times.
They were wrong to think Pelosi was waiting for this but it is fair to say Trump could do things that was less accepted by cynical Americans over time.
Pelosi was right to hold on impeachment because the votes weren't there. But to assume that a perfect scandal this big would just materialize if they waited is duuuuuummmmb.
OP
OP
Or he could just not do what he did and continue to skate by. Flip a coin.
We got lucky that things happened how they did.
The whistle blower is the hero in this story. Nancy got handed a gift and still fought at first.
This is hilariously stupid. Trump Trumped his way into impeachment. It wasn't some grand plan by the dems to give him enough rope to hang himself, and that's why they didn't do it sooner. "It was all...part of the plan." Okay, yeah. 🙄🙄
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Luck was mostly about Nancy dropping her stonewall on Impeachment.
We get a new impeachable scandal every 3 months.
Don't agree with her hesitance and desire to drag her feet on an impeachment inquiry because it may not have been politically expedient at the time. Do think that the numerous crimes this President have committed when it comes to emoluments, obstruction and other obviously illegal conduct should are complex and take time and effort from an information gathering and prosecutorial standpoint that Nancy could have done much, much better on though.
I wouldn't go as far in calling her that but yes, she hasn't been anywhere near forceful or proactive enough.
Fair enough.
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, what a shit of an article.
Nancy trying to win a fair game of monopoly against a banker who steals money to win. Good luck with that!!
Nancy trying to win a fair game of monopoly against a banker who steals money to win. Good luck with that!!
