Then i think it speaksmore of the outrageous PS4 size than the Switch one but its still using more than double data of the original game wich is alright for a remaster
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The Switch port of Final Fantasy XII is black magic
- Thread starter Dreamboum
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I'm sorry. Matsuno's Ivalice is generic fantasyland? Now I've heard it all
So much shit flinging in here that it feels like we need a thread reboot. You'd not get this level of shit in the Days Gone or Persona threads.
Dunking on Switch because it's a port of a PS2 game is kinda lame and is exactly like saying that Persona 5 is just an upjumped PS3 game even though the technical improvements stand out for themselves.
Same applies to this port. It's not the basic PS2 game.
Dunking on Switch because it's a port of a PS2 game is kinda lame and is exactly like saying that Persona 5 is just an upjumped PS3 game even though the technical improvements stand out for themselves.
Same applies to this port. It's not the basic PS2 game.
12gb should've been the remaster file size from the start, seems they don't bother optimising compressing file sizes on other platforms. Like Spyro did at launch then with a update they made overall file size smaller
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Artstyle in XII is wonderful! still one of the best settings In FF.
Maybe it's the voice acting? XII always seemed like it was trying waaaay too hard with the fantasy/royal stuff to me, without capturing the charm or it like FF IV or a DQ game. It didn't feel as original as X's world with places like the Farplane, Moonflow, etc, at least to me
Nope, it's magic
I am having such a hard time deciding between this, Dragon's Dogma, Steamworld Quest, and Coven of Dusk. Goddamn there are not enough days in the week (or hours in the day).
I'll throw my hat into this conversation too: XII is the best FF in the post-SNES era WITH the Zodiac Age updates. And now with the license board reset option available, it could be the best mainline FF period.
I'll throw my hat into this conversation too: XII is the best FF in the post-SNES era WITH the Zodiac Age updates. And now with the license board reset option available, it could be the best mainline FF period.
A lot of that is because FFXII is on a much smaller scale than X. X takes you through the entire world of Spira, where XII essentially keeps you in one small location.
All of Matsuno's games do that. He tends to feature localized politics and geographies rather than global ones. FFXII, Vagrant Story, Final Fantasy Tactics. None were worldwide. All were localized.
But XII did still have fantastical locales. The Pharos of Ridorana, The Feywood, The Necrohol of Nabudis. All some really cool locations.
Hell, Rabanastre is the first town EVER in a FF game that actually feels alive and breathing.
Blurry, but not too bad imo. Especially on the Switch's screen games with 400-600p still look pretty great, albeit slightly softer obviously.
But Idgaf because the only way I'll possibly ever finish this game is on a handheld. ;-) Give it to me!
One of the most overrated garbage RPGs ever made. XII is actually great, X is very much a game of its time, XII is timeless.
It's crazy how much trouble the Switch has rendering polygonal games at 720p. I'll buy a premium model Switch if it means native res games in handheld.
I've played through XII twice, they just didn't stick with me. Ranabastre is cool looking, and I also liked Fran's town in the trees, but it just didn't seem like the world had as much soul as Spira in X
It seems pretty blurry but also hard to understand how it will translate to real switch hardware vs. watching in a web browser on a big pc monitor.
This is what I was thinking. The size is probably due to the smaller size of the files needed for Switch and since it was a PS2 game that shouldn't be a hard task to accomplish.
Are there any plans to patch the respec option into the PS4 version? I'd love to play around with my builds without starting over.
I guess that's where we'll have to disagree. X felt more generic to me. The whole "this religion (summoners) is good, but oh wait it's really bad" is about as generics it gets
Thanks so much for the detailed breakdown! Sounds like they really cut down on the more stressful elements of the base game and streamlined for those of us who don't want to and can't start a new game every time something doesn't go their way.
No. We're talking about the Remastered version released for PS4, now ported over to Switch.
It's the same engine from the PS2 original. But yes a great deal of work went into ZA.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. It's still fundamentally a PS2 game, this isn't a Shadow of the Colossus-style remake, this is a remastering at a higher resolution with some nicer assets and tweaked effects. The switch is SEVERAL generations removed from the originating hardware, the scope of the graphical updates should be well within its capabilities.
Ah, between this, Dragon's Dogma, and that thread asking about which one to choose, I'm glad I pre-ordered both! Two very different yet distinct approaches to the fantasy genre on the Switch!
I mean, this isn't the thread for it, but to me what makes X good is more about the story, characters, world and how it's presented rather than just the religion stuff. That's just the trapping used to stitch the pieces together.
The battle system is another main reason I like X so much, it's my favorite system in the series. The conditional turn-based system lets you see upcoming actions and how what you choose will impact the flow. It's more enjoyable than the regular ATB battles I feel, and I really don't enjoy the XII system of setting gambits and how the battles just play out.
Having Tidus dropped off there with no context, just like the player, lets them expose stuff that would be boilerplate in the world to the player without it seeming so contrived or resulting to data dumps, audio logs, etc. You're experiencing stuff for the first time in that world along with the main character. The areas seem more clearly defined to me too, and I appreciate how they go into the history and stuff about things, I would always listen to the stories from NPCs like the old guy on the Highroad, etc.
I just find X more charming, vibrant and probably most importantly, what I personally think of as a 'Final Fantasy' game. VII, VIII, XII, XIII and XV all kind of have a more serious feel to them that I just don't like as much as the 8 and 16-bit FFs I-VI, as well as IX and X.
PS4 games don't run off the disc. Why would developers still copy data to improve seek time with any of the current gen systems?
The remastered did get upgraded textures and anti-aliasing, not to mention an added resolution bump. Yes, the Switch should handle it well, but the port was targeting PS4 hardware primarily in the first place.
BTW, as someone who came from loving Final Fantasy VIs tone more than FFVII, FFXIII and FFXV's, will I enjoy this game? I'm not quite a fan of the "Nomura-led" Final Fantasy stories.
The side-by-side comparison shows it having the same texture work. My guess is filesize shrunk because of better, more efficient FMV codecs.
Many of FFXII's voice actors are experienced English theater actors, so "trying hard" in this instance is actually just "being exceptionally good." Likewise, its localization was done by Alexander O. Smith, one of the best in the business (who also worked on FFX).
Spira is certainly quite different from Ivalice, and is a setting that might be less familiar to Westerners, so having that preference is understandable. That said, Ivalice is undoubtedly the better product of meticulous world-building, whereas Spira's facade begins to crumble if you scrutinize the world outside the context of the main storyline. It's compelling for the purposes of FFX's emotionally poignant journey, but ultimately shallow, whereas Ivalice is familiar at a glance, but extremely deep.
For instance: the Guado have next to zero sensible contextualization in FFX. They're the guardians of the Farplane, and their capital is built around it, but they only converted to Yevon thirty years past.
Why were they the guardians of the ostensible embodiment of Yevon's afterlife if they didn't adhere to it? Why did Yevonites revere a place owned by a blasphemous "sub-race"? Why do the Guado zealously follow Seymour Guado — knowing he's dead, and was the killer of their previous leader — to the point of committing genocide on the Al Bhed?
There's just no context to make any of it believable on closer inspection. One of the Guadosalam NPCs even jokes about the discrimination they face "I bet you think we all look alike," but we never actually see that, and their actions... actually do paint them as a monolithic cult. Game doesn't handle its racial politics well at all.
I'm on a replay now, and just did Bevelle, which is another aspect that makes no sense. Here is one of the main Temple Cloisters that summoners routinely enter, and its entrance is... immediately recognized by the party as blasphemous machina. They've just been chased by a party of machine gun-touting monks, so they're reeling, but none of their predecessors picked up on the blatantly manipulative hypocrisy of Yevonism?
Why were they the guardians of the ostensible embodiment of Yevon's afterlife if they didn't adhere to it? Why did Yevonites revere a place owned by a blasphemous "sub-race"? Why do the Guado zealously follow Seymour Guado — knowing he's dead, and was the killer of their previous leader — to the point of committing genocide on the Al Bhed?
There's just no context to make any of it believable on closer inspection. One of the Guadosalam NPCs even jokes about the discrimination they face "I bet you think we all look alike," but we never actually see that, and their actions... actually do paint them as a monolithic cult. Game doesn't handle its racial politics well at all.
I'm on a replay now, and just did Bevelle, which is another aspect that makes no sense. Here is one of the main Temple Cloisters that summoners routinely enter, and its entrance is... immediately recognized by the party as blasphemous machina. They've just been chased by a party of machine gun-touting monks, so they're reeling, but none of their predecessors picked up on the blatantly manipulative hypocrisy of Yevonism?
Spira is at its best when it focuses on the plight of its peoples in the face of recurring disaster, but it falls down a rabbit hole it never recovers from, and never seeks to flesh out its world outside of the main pilgrimage's context.
Hated 8 and x. X killed the series for me. Hated most of the characters and the world, So never really gave coo a fairs shake. Might need to try this when it goes on sale.
I say absolutely. XII and VI are probably my favorites in the series (not counting the MMOs).
So many lost souls shitting on the masterpiece that is X/X-2 smh...
I remember being so disappointed by vanilla XII on PS2, but I'm kinda tempted to pick this up and give it a shot. I think if I go in with adjusted expectations this time, it might be fun.
X-2's plot is dumb, but at least it's fun in a goofy, tongue-in-cheek sense, which is more than can be said about XII's plot and the way it's paced.
I remember being so disappointed by vanilla XII on PS2, but I'm kinda tempted to pick this up and give it a shot. I think if I go in with adjusted expectations this time, it might be fun.
X-2's plot is dumb, but at least it's fun in a goofy, tongue-in-cheek sense, which is more than can be said about XII's plot and the way it's paced.
Addendum: I don't personally hate Nomura, but when I refer to him in the context of Final Fantasy, I refer to the trifecta that is Nomura/Nojima/Kitase (i.e. "The Warring Triad") that sort of took over overseeing the series after Sakaguchi left. To me, it felt that FF was starting to lose that "spirit (within)" that made it feel grounded yet still distinct from the typical Dragon Quest mold RPG.
Switch version! Enjoying FF in bed is a great experience.
Idk, I never have thought so deeply on the Guado history lol. I just think JRPGs are like mangas you can play through and I'm along for the ride. I'm not one to put in 100hrs, level everything to 99 and theorize about the game world. I'm on to the next thing. Maybe I just prefer 'bad' British voices too because I'm American. I liked them in DQ VIII
Maybe? It has a darker political vibe, but not as many jokes and lighthearted moments as the sprite-based games
I know the marketing has said 60 FPS on One X, but the game logic is tied to 30fps and gameplay vids show it running at 30fps also
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Honestly, I'd go Switch version, and that's from someone who played it on PS2 and PS4. You'll probably be playing a huge chunk of the game at 2X speed anyways, so the lack of 60FPS won't be as noticeable. The portability sounds much more enticing.
Of course, disregard this if achievements matter to you.
And that's what's great about the Switch: You don't need to make time for it, it makes time for you. Nothing like just taking the experience with you.
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Well neither of them participated in this game, it was handled by Matsuno of FFT/Vagrant Story Fame and Hiroyuki Ito who directed FF6 and FF9 so you might enjoy it.
Is that so? I just might enjoy this game after all.