yeah, as long as you learn how to parry halfway decently then you'll be fine. the human-sized bosses are much tougher than the giant bosses and are way more fun too
-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
The Surge 2 Review Thread
- Thread starter Kalentan
- Start date
Gotcha, if it's a matter of changing up gear, etc, I'm OK with that. I actually like that. It's the impenetrable brick wall without the ability to summon that I don't want. Thanks again.
Very cool. Isn't there an upgrade which shows you which way to parry?
ya
No in this game my ego got me some. I just was like. I WANT TO USE THIS! And then randomly thought to myself "the dude is trying to live he would use whatever works" lol and from that point on I did much better. But that also depends on the weapon and playstyle. Some wont have that issue. And of course some people will beat it by only using 1 button and wearing a blindfold while making cookies...or at least they will say they did
The reviews are about where I expected, and a middling 70 is still pretty good!
But that 1 and a half star review is a wild outlier, there's no way this game is somehow a 3/10 in any light right? That feels like a score reserved for things that are absurdly broken or just outright and obviously bad.
But that 1 and a half star review is a wild outlier, there's no way this game is somehow a 3/10 in any light right? That feels like a score reserved for things that are absurdly broken or just outright and obviously bad.
Not even a 4, a 3...Yeah that's weird but whatever, most seem to like it.
It´s a classic click bait. Happens with all reviews, someone giving super low score for people to click on the link to complain about it.
This, from Game Revolution, is just wrong. Not even subjectively correct, but a flat out incorrect statement...
I am not saying its not. HOWEVER many reviewers don't have any clue what other people will think. We do a lot of work in the void. Its possible for someone to really not like a game or love it and not be click baiting at all.
What part.
the thing about there not being enough fast weapons and spears being the only useful thing. There is a ridiculous number of weapons of all types
Maybe about the weapon selection, I felt there was quite a good balance of weapon types even if if some were more effective than others.
I like the set that explodes with nanites when you get a directional block
Yeah but Souls games have that too, it's definitely not surprising.
Oh for sure, that's why its even more bizarre they used that as a critique. I never once felt the weapon selection was a problem, if anything I was impressed by it.
Of course a reviewer is not obligated to like the game, but in my opinion a reviewer should try to do an objective review, not only give his opinion. For example, he/she might not like the setting of the game, but it cannot give it a zero if is obviously that is not a zero. For example, I don't play FPS's, but I will not say that they are all bad because I don't like them, I can see quality on them.
3/10 is extremely low. If this game is a 3 what they would give for example to a Bubsy game? -10? :D
Gonna pass. Didn't like the first game and looking at that EZA review, looks to be more of the same.
I'm still working on my review but I found the whole experience thoroughly mediocre unfortunately. I don't think it improves enough on the first game as it still has a lot of rough edges. It's impossible to not constantly compare it to Soulsborne because of the many borrowed elements and in basically all aspects it's the much inferior experience.
My main beef with Surge 2 is the exploration. The first area of the game starts off quite promising. There are multiple paths to explore and the design of is good in that the hidden items are fun to find and the map cleverly loops back into the same bonfire with nice shortcuts. The individual design of areas as a whole continues to be engaging, but the issue that becomes apparent is that these areas connect very poorly to each other. Each area usually has various exits to other areas. I was constantly finding new exits and I thought this would allow for some non-linear gameplay, but the truth is that they're time-wasting dead ends. You won't have some tool you need to actually do anything in the areas. This wouldn't be bad if you didn't have to go through loooong loading screens each time you exit and if it didn't respawn all the enemies. After experiencing such a dead end like four times I felt discouraged to do anything but what the main story wanted me to do. The second half of the game is more open (once you have your tools), but by then the sense of any adventure is very diminished.
Besides that there just aren't enough enemy types and boss fights. The RPG elements are also underwhelming (quests can fail unless you agree with everything the NPC says) and I couldn't care less about the story and dialogue.
I saw potential in the original Surge, but with the sequel it's still mostly about good ideas but poor or mediocre execution. The combat and dismemberment mechanics are still fun though, which is its saving grace.
My main beef with Surge 2 is the exploration. The first area of the game starts off quite promising. There are multiple paths to explore and the design of is good in that the hidden items are fun to find and the map cleverly loops back into the same bonfire with nice shortcuts. The individual design of areas as a whole continues to be engaging, but the issue that becomes apparent is that these areas connect very poorly to each other. Each area usually has various exits to other areas. I was constantly finding new exits and I thought this would allow for some non-linear gameplay, but the truth is that they're time-wasting dead ends. You won't have some tool you need to actually do anything in the areas. This wouldn't be bad if you didn't have to go through loooong loading screens each time you exit and if it didn't respawn all the enemies. After experiencing such a dead end like four times I felt discouraged to do anything but what the main story wanted me to do. The second half of the game is more open (once you have your tools), but by then the sense of any adventure is very diminished.
Besides that there just aren't enough enemy types and boss fights. The RPG elements are also underwhelming (quests can fail unless you agree with everything the NPC says) and I couldn't care less about the story and dialogue.
I saw potential in the original Surge, but with the sequel it's still mostly about good ideas but poor or mediocre execution. The combat and dismemberment mechanics are still fun though, which is its saving grace.
Wait I know this is off topic, but did GoT actually win best writing?
Being useful and being choices aren't the same. I read it as stating he felt they were overpowered. Something that I admit in some instances I would agree with. But to each their own
Can't say I see a 3 out of 10 being completely puzzling as we do have the average being around 7. I mean a couple glitches, not liking the world, not feeling it works. But thats just me.
true enough. to me, every type of weapon is useful, it just takes getting used to.
My fave was the ninja inspired sword.
Ya agreed overall. I just know what its like to be on that side both high score and low and see people coming at me and being like...dude this is just my score and I legit feel its fair and representative of my experience. When a games average is in this range its not surprising for me to also see 10's and 2's.
Then again...I liked some shit games in my time.
I trully think the thing here is context. Its probably missing. I try to add so much context that it frankly feels like I am beating someone over the head but thats so that at the very least someone can say "Karak you're a fucking idiot but I get what you meant."
Context is very important so I get why folks don't feel its fair.
i much prefer that approach, the over-explanation in a review to justify an opinion rather than no justification at all...or very little
Ya no I get it now. I thought it through and I can see that being an issue. I will admit though that the spear spinning attack is hilariously powerful with particular powerups at the same time
Fair enough, you know the industry and the review process better than I do. I just said what I said because I see situations like these in almost all reviews. For example Horizon Zero Dawn getting a 5/10 or Days Gone a 3/10.
Taaaaaaaaank. I had 100 Impact with a different build and didn't see TOO much difference dropping it down to 77.
Looks like this is too much like the first game with minor improvements and the first game was very average. The enemies sucked and the combat good concept but poorly executed. I didn't think the first game was more than a 6/10 so this being barely any better is not worth buying. I also hated the annoying save station singing music that played in the first one. It was enough to stop me playing the game as it drove me up the wall.
And here is my written review.
In short:
+ Much improved, fantastic level design
+ A lot more artistic and environmental variety
+ Combat is still enjoyable with the limb-targeting mechanics playing an even more pivotal role in and out of battle
+ Upgrading and gear/weapon collecting always has something to work to
+ Health recovery system is much improved from the first game
+ Other minute QoL features, notably the ability to "preview" the stats of a newly-acquired weapon or piece of gear when at the same MK tier as what's currently equipped
- Boss battles are, at their worst, poorly-executed or simply lacking in creativity with the difficulty "curve" more like a sine-wave with little consistency
- Story/narrative is barely present or worth really taking note of
- Tonally it doesn't capitalise or even build up enough of the apocalyptic vibe it's going for
- Camera work can frustrate at the most crucial times (boss battles especially)
3.5/5...enjoyed the 20 hours I spent with it and would hope Deck13 can iron out the last of the creases for an inevitable third game.
In short:
+ Much improved, fantastic level design
+ A lot more artistic and environmental variety
+ Combat is still enjoyable with the limb-targeting mechanics playing an even more pivotal role in and out of battle
+ Upgrading and gear/weapon collecting always has something to work to
+ Health recovery system is much improved from the first game
+ Other minute QoL features, notably the ability to "preview" the stats of a newly-acquired weapon or piece of gear when at the same MK tier as what's currently equipped
- Boss battles are, at their worst, poorly-executed or simply lacking in creativity with the difficulty "curve" more like a sine-wave with little consistency
- Story/narrative is barely present or worth really taking note of
- Tonally it doesn't capitalise or even build up enough of the apocalyptic vibe it's going for
- Camera work can frustrate at the most crucial times (boss battles especially)
3.5/5...enjoyed the 20 hours I spent with it and would hope Deck13 can iron out the last of the creases for an inevitable third game.
Interestingly enough when you mentioned Days Gone. As I was also going to use it as an example that if I had got any more bugs and wonkiness that game could have been A REALLY low rating from me :) So we might have been talking about me right now lol
Man I am getting flashbacks of some of the shit in that game...oy
I'm a little behind on my review but i'm really enjoying it so far. I feel that this is a noticeable improvement over the first game, especially in level design. And the combat is very satisfying indeed.
The boss battles aren't great, but my main criticism is the lack of polish. The LOD can be very aggressive at times, there are some frame drops, but worse of all is the abundance of screen tearing. I'm one of those people who notice everytime this happens and screen tearing made Gideon's Rock a chore to explore.
The boss battles aren't great, but my main criticism is the lack of polish. The LOD can be very aggressive at times, there are some frame drops, but worse of all is the abundance of screen tearing. I'm one of those people who notice everytime this happens and screen tearing made Gideon's Rock a chore to explore.
I played Days Gone day 1 and besides visible frame drops in the last part of the game, everything worked fine to me. I had a blast playing it honestly. But of course, when I played most of the issues were already fixed. Watching footage from some reviewers at that time, I believe it was a very frustrating experience, it was in an unacceptable condition.
By the way, excellent job with the review of The Surge 2, just finished listen you moments ago. Also enjoyed quite a lot your recent podcast where you spoke about the game ;)
Dude its giving me a headache thinking about it. No exaggeration I had such a migraine after playing that game.
thanks reviews are fun but man the podcasts are my drug. Fridays and the weekend are amazing due to the team.
So is anyone hear going to try a no death Surge 2 run?
I would get it latter because of backlog but liked the first one so if this one is a little better is a plus.
as i thought, more of the same with a little bit better environment
i thought The Surge 1 had many shortcomings and this here is just more of the same with a few more options instead of a meaningful evolution.
maybe they should have taken more time instead of making a fast sequel
i think the game looks not up to par for 2019 on PS4Pro, watched a video there was stuttering, tearing and the lighting is awfully overblown outside. the janky animations also didn´t inspire confidence.
not to be rude but seems like a great 20 bucks game
i thought The Surge 1 had many shortcomings and this here is just more of the same with a few more options instead of a meaningful evolution.
maybe they should have taken more time instead of making a fast sequel
i think the game looks not up to par for 2019 on PS4Pro, watched a video there was stuttering, tearing and the lighting is awfully overblown outside. the janky animations also didn´t inspire confidence.
not to be rude but seems like a great 20 bucks game
Just wanted to say that I appreciate the "difficulty" rating in the final text summary of your review. Is this something you included here just because Surge 2 is a soulslike, or will you have it for all of your reviews moving forward?
Gonna be honest. I am pretty random with what I include. If I feel text filters data I forgot ya. So in this case for sure due to Surge and my wanting to keep it clear to people as a summary. I can't promise anything moving foward. I dont really script. I just have notes and thats both what makes me LIKE doing it. But also is a weakness of mine
OP
OP
You know, I managed to not die until quite a bit into my first run of the first game.
In this? I got to the city and got killed by the second enemy haha.
