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Kindekuma

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
4,732
The cosplay community has always been like that, the difference is that now stuff like Patreon exists so you can profit from it more easily

Exactly. I'm personally friends with a rather well known NSFW cosplayer (we went to college together and see each other every so often with other friends) and while she's been cosplaying for 10-ish years. Patreon made it so she can make a really good living off the whole thing as it just used to be a hobby. There's always been a demand for that kind of material, she just has an easy way to focus the market.
 

Deleted member 32561

User requested account closure
Banned
Nov 11, 2017
3,831
It's definitely wrong to pressure people who don't want to do "lewds"/nudes/porn into doing them. But at the same time we should not shame or ostracize members of the cosplay community who choose to use their talents in such a way. Everyone deserves support. I'll admit the only cosplayer I support on Patreon does do "lewds", but I pledge at a level where I don't get access to those- I just think she's super fucking talented as a costume maker and I'm honestly shocked she's not more popular.

It's true, too, that people who don't want to do anything NSFW, shouldn't have to do them just to get support. I'm not sure what the solution is there, as this is something that not only impacts cosplayers, but artists of all stripes. SFW-only creators who do non-narrative pieces tend to have more of an uphill battle than those who do put out either NSFW or narratively-driven works.
 

Gustaf

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
14,926
Exactly. I'm personally friends with a rather well known NSFW cosplayer (we went to college together and see each other every so often with other friends) and while she's been cosplaying for 10-ish years. Patreon made it so she can make a really good living off the whole thing as it just used to be a hobby. There's always been a demand for that kind of material, she just has an easy way to focus the market.

but the point of the thread is not that, we all agree with that.

the problem is the fandom asking other cosplayers to do the same as your friend, just because your friend does it.
 

abellwillring

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,937
Austin, TX
I recently found out about how common 3D printing is in cosplay now and that made me sort of bummed out... it really removes the fan-made element from it. But I digress. I suppose what it boils down to now is that if you're just doing it to have fun with friends and go to cons, then why not just keep doing that. If your goal is to make money off of it, then the market has apparently dictated that you be one way and you either answer that or try and continue to go your own way and wait for the winds to shift again. Sadly people are hyper aggressive online in large part due to the anonymity.
 

PanzerKraken

Member
Nov 1, 2017
15,014
Wait this is a thing?

Yep quite a few shows are doing it with ever increasing follower requirements. The Supercon brand for example which is huge in the south east puts it in their cosplay guest application page how you need to have certain thousand number min to be considered even for a spot. These numbers continually increase, it's making the cosplay world even more cut throat and so many "pros" goal is to get those follows.

Cosplayers are a new form of influencer for nerds, and each follow they get is money.
 

PanzerKraken

Member
Nov 1, 2017
15,014
I recently found out about how common 3D printing is in cosplay now and that made me sort of bummed out... it really removes the fan-made element from it. But I digress. I suppose what it boils down to now is that if you're just doing it to have fun with friends and go to cons, then why not just keep doing that. If your goal is to make money off of it, then the market has apparently dictated that you be one way and you either answer that or try and continue to go your own way and wait for the winds to shift again. Sadly people are hyper aggressive online in large part due to the anonymity.

3D printing really is no different than a person going to a prop maker to design their costume parts by hand. Many big cosplayers don't build their own stuff anyways, they go to prop makers. 3D printing is just an outlet to get props made by someone else. At the same time, some folks are still making their own cosplay items. Folks 3D design their own props and it's not an easy thing, it can take many hours, tons of trial and error and so on to get the props right. And even with 3D printing, it doesn't typically look good till you put work into finishing it up which is lots of hours of work also. 3D printing is just a tool
 

Shining Star

Banned
May 14, 2019
4,458
I think I would have fun with cosplay but I worry about things like this. I think these costumes are cool but I don't want people to think that I'm being lewd...
 

NameUser

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,015
Well, there are a lot of new fans that really don't give a shit about the art form, they're just interested in seeing half naked women. And Instagram and Pateron has just made this worse because they've exposed more toxic men to cosplay.
 

Pau

Self-Appointed Godmother of Bruce Wayne's Children
Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,847
If you are in costume, some men will always go out of their way to to let you know that they think you are there for their sexual pleasure. Doesn't matter what the costume is. I've only had experience with it in person since I've never really taken pictures. Haven't cosplayed in a few years though so maybe all those "Cosplay does not equal consent" PSAs at cons helped.

But I'm sorry to hear that it's getting worse in the online space. Cosplayers should be able to do their craft without others harassing them for not being sexual enough.

As for not getting as much followers or support as cosplayers that do lewds, yeah, it sucks. But I don't think anything can be done if that's where the money is. In general, cosplay as a career sounds like a hard and risky gig.
 

Swiggins

was promised a tag
Member
Apr 10, 2018
11,452
"Cosplay is a business, and brother, let me tell ya. Business is BOOMING!"
 

Pilgrimzero

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
8,129
Used to follow a couple cosplayers on Instagram but they started doing more and more risqué stuff. One of them so far as to "Patreon for the nudes".

Sad really.
 
Jul 18, 2018
5,863
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the problem is the fandom asking other cosplayers to do the same as your friend, just because your friend does it.
Does this come down to the age demographic that cosplaying and these conventions are focused on? I'm making assumptions since i'm not into these hobbies, but isn't anime/video games still a genre that's focused on the younger demographics, even if the consumption of it is a majority of the older demographic?
 

PoppaBK

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,165
I've gotta imagine it's like being an actual personal trainer posting work out guides on Instagram and having people just want you to do squats in yoga pants with your ass aimed squarely at the camera or those inner thigh exercises.
 

Gustaf

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
14,926
Used to follow a couple cosplayers on Instagram but they started doing more and more risqué stuff. One of them so far as to "Patreon for the nudes".

Sad really.

i found one that i really liked, i dont know why i found her so good looking and gourgeous

she posted about her twitter and i checked it out and then suddenly her vagina!

i mean good for her, but i didnt expect to "know her" so intimately hahaha
 

True Prophecy

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,921
but the point of the thread is not that, we all agree with that.

the problem is the fandom asking other cosplayers to do the same as your friend, just because your friend does it.

How do you suppose you can stop random people making these requests? Some cosplayers will always want to do it because its what they are into or they want to make money doing it. Should they not because some people are toxic? I think as long people are not abusive towards those that don't want to and everyone should respect and consent to whatever the model(s) want to do. If the toxic assholes don't community guidelines on places like Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, etc should remove or block those accounts. ( I know they are not perfect systems )

If you are in costume, some men will always go out of their way to let you know that they think you are there for their sexual pleasure. Doesn't matter what the costume is. I've only had experience with it in person since I've never really taken pictures. Haven't cosplayed in a few years though so maybe all those "Cosplay does not equal consent" PSAs at cons helped.

But I'm sorry to hear that it's getting worse in the online space. Cosplayers should be able to do their craft without others harassing them for not being sexual enough.

As for not getting as much followers or support as cosplayers that do lewds, yeah, it sucks. But I don't think anything can be done if that's where the money is. In general, cosplay as a career sounds like a hard and risky gig.

That's not OK that people do that in real life or online. That's literally abuse. Shitty people ruin everything.
 
Oct 29, 2017
7,500
It does seem like it's on the threshold of becoming just another form of porn. That's got to be frustrating for the people who just want to do cosplay because it's fun, or to show off their creations, and don't want to deal with the porn crowd.
 

Aztechnology

Community Resettler
Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
14,139
The sad reality is that cosplay was pretty much always dominated by selling "lewds". It's just come into more focus now. Look at the thread about who people's favorite costume options are. It's a vast majority saying they prefer to choose sexy outfits. Sex sells. And really in cosplay it's one of the only parts that actually sell. If you look at those cons, look at who gets the attention, look at what they sell the most of at booths, how they present themselves etc. A rare occurrence may be someone is hired by a game company or otherwise to represent that character at a show or otherwise. But it's a contract gig, and doesn't pay the bills forever.

You could create a YouTube channel, but there's a lot. It may be cynical, but you can probably gauge the success of any given cosplay/modeling/influencer YouTube channel by the amount of skin exposed in the thumbnail/episode.

The reality is, it's a hobby, not a stable career. So people do what they have to.

It just sucks that it kind of becomes the defacto expectation because it's what is successful in a traditional sense.
 

Sanka

Banned
Feb 17, 2019
5,778
When the majority of female characters are already sexualized then it's not suprising that most just want to see them go even further. It's all part of the objectification of women in media.
At the same time don't put any blame on the women doing the lewds, call out the assholes who harrass them.
 

Mesoian

▲ Legend ▲
Member
Oct 28, 2017
26,524
I guess, sure, but that's exactly what my friends are compelled to complain about, that most if not all the attention and/or success is shifting to Patreon nudes.

The only thing I can really say is what I was saying 10 years ago when I was still doing the cosplay circuit.

If you're not cosplaying for yourself, you're never going to enjoy it. If you're really getting upset about other people getting the limelight because of showing skin or having connections or working with professionals, you will never enjoy yourself.

Wait this is a thing?

I've seen cons dictate who will be "official guest cosplayers" from such types of applications.

Think of it like sponsored streamers being invited to video game cons. They want them there more for their personalities more than for their outfit schedule.
 

Marvelous

Member
Nov 3, 2017
349
How do you suppose you can stop random people making these requests? Some cosplayers will always want to do it because its what they are into or they want to make money doing it. Should they not because some people are toxic? I think as long people are not abusive towards those that don't want to and everyone should respect and consent to whatever the model(s) want to do. If the toxic assholes don't community guidelines on places like Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, etc should remove or block those accounts. ( I know they are not perfect systems )



That's not OK that people do that in real life or online. That's literally abuse. Shitty people ruin everything.
This isn't just limited to cosplayers, men do this to women all over for any reason. It just so happens that this sexual harassment is so normalized within society that as soon as a woman dresses up in cosplay or whatever, an even larger set of men think it's suddenly okay to do worse. It ultimately comes down to solving the larger topic of curbing sexual harassment overall, I think.
 

Deleted member 36578

Dec 21, 2017
26,561
It's absolutely gotten worse over the years and a lot of guys expect just about any cosplayer to offer nudes or "lewds" nowadays. I have quite a few friends who cosplay, some for a living , and they hold a large amount of disdain for some other cosplayers who changed the game so to speak. Money is the root of the issue because so many of them monetized their bodies to the point that it's the norm to take off their clothes and show skin. It's a huge issue for many people who've become pressured into doing photo shoots they're not comfortable with. Which also unfortunately leads to certain photographers preying on people in the community. There's a rabbit hole of problems that all stem from vice's such as greed and lust which are just human nature. But honestly, it fucking sucks and I've had various first hand experiences with the worst of it.
 

Deleted member 21709

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
23,310
Their choice, their bodies. If it earns them a living and allows them to express themselves creatively in a safe and controlled way, what's the issue?
 
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Deleted member 50374

alt account
Banned
Dec 4, 2018
2,482
The only thing I can really say is what I was saying 10 years ago when I was still doing the cosplay circuit.

If you're not cosplaying for yourself, you're never going to enjoy it. If you're really getting upset about other people getting the limelight because of showing skin or having connections or working with professionals, you will never enjoy yourself.

I'm also of the same mindset, but not all people can live without being rewarded for what they do. Both my friends really don't have much else going other than cosplay so it's a bit disheartening for them.
 

Pau

Self-Appointed Godmother of Bruce Wayne's Children
Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,847
This isn't just limited to cosplayers, men do this to women all over for any reason. It just so happens that this sexual harassment is so normalized within society that as soon as a woman dresses up in cosplay or whatever, an even larger set of men think it's suddenly okay to do worse. It ultimately comes down to solving the larger topic of curbing sexual harassment overall, I think.
Yeah, I thought about editing my post and saying that just by just existing, some men will always go out of their way to let you know that they think you are there for their sexual pleasure. It's not an issue that'll be solved until men learn to not think of us that way.
 

Hasseigaku

Member
Oct 30, 2017
3,545
I'm not sure how to know but I wonder if that kind of material being widespread gives people a distorted view of how many people actually participate in that side of it.

Or is it just that no matter how much nudity/sex/etc dudes have access to they'll always want more?
 

XaviConcept

Art Director for Videogames
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
4,910
Being familiar with many cosplayers is tricky because cosplay being a "job" is basically a new thing. Before it was for the love of the characters but now you have legit ways to monetize your hobby and with money comes competition.

So if you dont care about money or popularity. You're fine. Its when you draw the line between wanting to be popular online and wanting to make some money. This happens in a lot of industries, like when you would literally go see Swordfish cause Halle Berry shows her boobs, or when runway models dont make as much money as strippers who dont make as much money as escorts. When you get in the business of making your appearance "the" business it opens a door to a lot of unpleasantness.

I mean, it wasnt that long ago that it was considered highly comical to yell at a woman speaking in public to SHOW US UR TITS. Hell, the Simpsons did it.
 

True Prophecy

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,921
When the majority of female characters are already sexualized then it's not suprising that most just want to see them go even further. It's all part of the objectification of women in media.
At the same time don't put any blame on the women doing the lewds, call out the assholes who harrass them.

I find that it's honestly the opposite usually the less a character is sexualized the more it's done in the porn space. Agreed about the call outs.

This isn't just limited to cosplayers, men do this to women all over for any reason. It just so happens that this sexual harassment is so normalized within society that as soon as a woman dresses up in cosplay or whatever, an even larger set of men think it's suddenly okay to do worse. It ultimately comes down to solving the larger topic of curbing sexual harassment overall, I think.

You're right it's not just this industry it happens in all of them, female actors have the same issues for sure for example. I hope we get to a place where people don't have to fear being harassed one day.
 

Marvelous

Member
Nov 3, 2017
349
Yeah, I thought about editing my post and saying that just by just existing, some men will always go out of their way to let you know that they think you are there for their sexual pleasure. It's not an issue that'll be solved until men learn to not think of us that way.
For sure, though I understand what I brought up is an exponentially larger issue that might be out of the specificity of this thread, so I think what you have is right. Though I think it would be helpful for men to learn that when someone puts themselves out there in public, they still maintain the same boundaries as any normal human being. That the cosplayer/model/whatever is always in control of what they want others to see, no questions about it. That maybe an understanding of this more extreme situation would hopefully would spill over into help curbing that everyday objectification.
 

Kurdel

Member
Nov 7, 2017
12,157
Natural conclusion of cosplay in our caitalist system.

Doing all that labour only to have pretty photos of you won't cut it for a lot of people, monetization is only logical. On top of that, there will always be a market for more lewd/pornographic material, because of the overwhelming demand for it.
 

Croc Man

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,546
So going on these comments about how non-lewds make money makes me wonder about a money making scheme.

I look like Peter Dinklage, but taller.
I buy a Tyrion costume online.
Go to convention
????
Profit

I'm only half joking, is there a way to make money/free entry in such a scenario? Or for men in general? Why do cons pay cosplayers to attend? I'm guessing a large part of it is so they bring their existing fan base with them? Or do some say get paid to help sell/advertise merch?
 

Deleted member 11413

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
22,961
Increased access and ubiquity of porn from a young age has engendered a sense of entitlement in people to seeing other's nude bodies for their own gratification, especially for people in modeling or other professions focused on physical attractiveness. Many people feed that demand because it's a steady source of revenue, which creates a feedback loop that reinforces the entitlement.

This is mainly a problem with men being entitled to women's bodies, but spend five minutes on Grindr or look at the reaction to nonconsensual nudes taken of actors by paparazzi (Zac Efron comes to mind) and you will see that same entitlement in gay men to other men's bodies or women to men's bodies.
 

Gustaf

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
14,926
So going on these comments about how non-lewds make money makes me wonder about a money making scheme.

I look like Peter Dinklage, but taller.
I buy a Tyrion costume online.
Go to convention
????
Profit

I'm only half joking, is there a way to make money/free entry in such a scenario? Or for men in general? Why do cons pay cosplayers to attend? I'm guessing a large part of it is so they bring their existing fan base with them? Or do some say get paid to help sell/advertise merch?

there is a guy who looks like rick grimes and the dude has been all around the globe just doing that, looking like rick grimes
 

NSA

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
3,892
Used to follow a couple cosplayers on Instagram but they started doing more and more risqué stuff. One of them so far as to "Patreon for the nudes".

Sad really.

Same really. I have no issue with what they're doing, and more power to them, but it's not why I followed them. Looking back at it, it started small, and now looking at their posts, every post is lewd-this and lewd-that. Hardly any normal cosplay. I get that you follow the dollars, and I hope they made the change because they wanted to, not felt like they had to.. but for me it just means I'm not interested anymore (not that it matters).
 

Nisaba

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,942
Canada
I'm a cosplayer (@nisaba.cosplay) from Canada as it gives me an opportunity to get creative and be characters from the stories/games/shows I love.

I try to use it as a way to boost my own confidence in myself as I am typically quite reserved and shy outside of cosplay.

But I have definitely witnessed the creepy aspects of cosplay: guys asking me for feet pics, people taking pics of me without permission, guys harassing me and other cosplayers I know, the "thirst" for me to do more risque things....it has almost pushed me away from the whole thing many times. But creating my own outfits, learning different skills, and my friends support allow me to still have fun! ><

I have also seen an increasing number of cosplayers aggressively advertise lewds and risque videos in an effort to make more money on patreon. I've seen some cosplayers despair that they are losing themselves in it and feel like a piece of meat. It varies but I wish the best for all of them and I just want all cosplayers to truly enjoy what they are doing.
 

Khanimus

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
40,212
Greater Vancouver
Oh, you're telling me obsessive cosplay fans are fucking creeps? That the models and artists who put countless hours into crafting a costume are largely ignored in that they have a harder time making any money (or enduring the expected harassment) compared to people selling half-baked titillation?

I've seen this trend first-hand with the circles I hang with, and man has it discouraged some extremely talented people.
 

Nose Master

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,720
It sucks for "real" cosplayers, but it's just business. If someone is dumb enough to pay for lingerie shots sort of colored after an anime character, they should take advantage of it.

TIL Belle Delphine has upped the game and is literally selling her bath water for $30 / couple of ounces.
 

draculabyte

Video Game and Metal Mashup Shirt Design
Verified
Jun 20, 2019
469
I don't understand. From what I'm told there are "furry parties" during and after the events. Lol just let ppl do what they want?
 

draculabyte

Video Game and Metal Mashup Shirt Design
Verified
Jun 20, 2019
469
Where people dress up in the animal costumes and have sex. Lol or that's what I was told.