And they are perfectly able to say what they want, just like others are allowed to criticize them for being ill-informed and unhelpful.
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Feels kind of round about to go on about the bill not being enough when its hopefully not the end all and be all. In reality future bills should push even harder and further on many of the same things as the IRA and even more. I'll take "death" by a thousand cuts if chopping the head off with one swing isn't in any way possible or reasonable to expect.
Oh, of course. Criticize folks if they get the facts and general gist of the legislation wrong (this is a good bill). But you don't need to throw out the thought-terminating cliche that the mere act of ignorance is "helping the Republicans." The Democrats help Republicans enough themselves before we get down to people on a small niche platform complaining it doesn't go far enough.
Criticising a bill after it's passed doesn't mean "attacking" anything. I can criticize legislation that factually doesnt meet the standards that this moment demands without being accused of helping republicans. I'm sorry you don't see value in expressing disappointment but it's how we get better things in the future. Politics isn't about not raining on parades or not rocking the boat. We didn't get here because Manchin and Sinema thought they would get back pats no matter what was in the bill, had that been the case it could have been worse.
Yeah but no legislation is the "end all be all", that isn't how any of this works. All legislation contains compromises and could be improved. Why should people not express how they feel about a bill that is now guaranteed to pass?
I'm not trying to get directly involved here but
Yup, and 15 minutes away from my hometown I'm returning to. Do I get a local discount? 😅
I mean electric coil stoves sure, but not induction.
And "my stove's heat control kind of sucks, is like quintessential first world problems. It's perfectly fine and capable of serving you day to day (again not talking about induction which is exceptional).
My point is be pragmatic, take the wins when you can get them and push for something better in the future. Complaining about what the bill lack's should be focused on what the next bill should build on or include or what have you. Its a marathon, not a sprint.
View: https://twitter.com/BobShrum/status/1556361339412418560
View: https://twitter.com/brianschatz/status/1556386516087324673
I hope you guys appreciate what your president is doing. As a student of politics, what he has managed to squeeze out of an institutionally corrupt congress is absolutely astonishing. Just massive.
The climate stuff is just amazing. I literally said to a friend only 6 months ago "Don't ever expect the Americans to act on climate. Forget it". And then 6 months later, boom - 40% emissions reduction. How the fuck he managed to pull that off is unbelievable.
As an aside - Australia is about to pass it's own climate bill too - meaning the two biggest western laggards on climate change are now back on the train.
I grew up in alabama so excuse me if I can do without your tut-tutting on pragmatism. Criticising legislation isn't "complaining" or suggesting we sprint through a marathon. If my critique was based on facts (it was) then you are basically tone policing and telling me to be quite while everyone else is celebrating. Ok that isn't how politics works so spare me the condescension when you sound misinformed.
I responded to you saying you criticize people you voted for. I'm assuming you do so because you want things to change. So does that mean Doug Jones? Does he get the blame for not winning his election? You didn't vote for Manchin or Sinema and I don't understand how any of what you said moves things towards your goal.
Doesn't gas only have a shelf life of like 3-6 months? What you're describing sounds awesome, but knowing nothing about cars, wouldn't there be a concern about needing to replace the gas?
With fucking 50-50 and the most obstructive and destructive opposition party in modern US history.
I think it's also important to remember that, not even a month ago, this bill was thought dead. Not just gutted. Dead. As in a few weeks ago Biden had stronger odds of beating Megan Thee Stallion in a twerk contest than getting this legislation on his desk to sign.
(You're welcome for that mental image, btw)
So the amount of wheeling and dealing it must have taken behind the scenes to turn Manchin (and Sinema) from a firm no, to openly championing the legislation while keeping the other 48 Democratic Senators on board is...well, I hope someday somebody writes a book about it, because I'd read it.
Politics is cumbersome. American politics especially.
(You're welcome for that mental image, btw)
So the amount of wheeling and dealing it must have taken behind the scenes to turn Manchin (and Sinema) from a firm no, to openly championing the legislation while keeping the other 48 Democratic Senators on board is...well, I hope someday somebody writes a book about it, because I'd read it.
Politics is cumbersome. American politics especially.
Nah it can last longer, especially if it's sloshing around like in normal vehicle operation.
Couple things to add:
1. The post office reform is also why nearly half of that fleet will be electric,
2. It's easier for the United States to ask other countries to push through climate legislation when we've done it now. Snowball effect.
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I mean I think actively attacking and degrading a universally good and important peice of legislation goes beyond merely being ignorant. I think it's incredibly counterproductive and damaging to the greater cause. I also don't particularly subscribe to the idea that what we do here doesn't matter.
But if I did imply that poster what activity trying to aid the GOP, that was unintentional. I certainly don't think that. I think they want more, and I think they should want more in the future. But, like I said, I think their approach is ill conceived.
Stop being disingenuous. I supported Doug jones when he took the right positions and criticised him when he took a moderate stance. Why would I criticise Doug Jones for his electoral strategy when he only won against Roy Moore because Moore was a known pedophile. Anybody from alabama knows that Jones would have lost to any generic Republican in a state that went 80%+ for trump. I swear to god this shit is ultra bad faith we weren't even talking campaign strategy we are talking policy.
the white house officials are doing it
View: https://twitter.com/RFlaherty46/status/1556365427097440257
More relevant than ever:
Losing Sight of Piecemeal Progress: People Lump and Dismiss Improvement Efforts That Fall Short of Categorical Change—Despite Improving
Losing Sight of Piecemeal Progress: People Lump and Dismiss Improvement Efforts That Fall Short of Categorical Change—Despite Improving
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Maybe I worded things poorly but you basically took a very different meaning from my post than was intend. I'm saying its marathon, not a sprint. My point was that the pragmatism is about the fact that a vast amount of our government, easily half is infested with people willing to sell out their own family members to advance themselves and the people lining their pockets so you should take these wins when you can get them and work on making sure you can continue to get more. If you think that's tut tutting or tone policing I'm not sure what else to tell you, the political landscape in America is scary as fuck and has been for a while now. I'm still shocked this bill got through at all or wasn't cut down far more in the process.
On the one hand, we probably shouldn't be fueling the conspiracy theorists who think Biden is the leader of a globalist child-eating cabal.
On the other hand, it is funny AF that they're so cheesed off that Dems have leaned into the dumbass "Brandon" thing to the extent that it will be embarrassing to chant it unironically in short order.
On the other hand, it is funny AF that they're so cheesed off that Dems have leaned into the dumbass "Brandon" thing to the extent that it will be embarrassing to chant it unironically in short order.
Voting Matters.
The record turnout in 2020 across the country led to this. Grats to everyone who voted.
Do it again in November and in 2024.
Don't get complacent. Vote in EVERY election.
Don't let Republicans move us backwards again.
The record turnout in 2020 across the country led to this. Grats to everyone who voted.
Do it again in November and in 2024.
Don't get complacent. Vote in EVERY election.
Don't let Republicans move us backwards again.
Absolutely correct. I can tell you this will have a huge impact in Australia - we just voted our conservatives out a few months ago. Albanese and the Labor party just got his climate bill through the lower house, over the objections of our conservative LNP.
One of the excuses the LNP made for over a decade was that "the big emitters aren't doing anything so what we do won't matter, so we shouldn't do more". With one stroke of a pen the passage of this US Bill will remove their oxygen.
It hasn't really been an issue to be honest. I go weeks and weeks without filling up.
If this credit was in place 3 months ago when we were shopping for a car I think we may have tried to go for PHEV, like the rav 4 prime, but any one we were interested in was still more than the CPO car we got.
One of the biggest problems right now is the dealer markup which takes away from the credit. I hope the dealers don't try to mark up even more. Such a scummy move.
And I know it doesn't impact everyone but the income limits are something else to keep in mind. I am hoping to get a PHEV before the end of the year to take advantage of the existing credits.
As someone who grew up in the Bible Belt who never voted Republican, how the hell do you think pragmatism/incrementalism is a new concept to me? Criticising a piece of legislation which is passed the senate isn't "not taking a win". It isn't up to me to accept or pass on a "win". It's up to me to push my elected officials to do the best they can because anything less is literally not lining up with the numbers scientists have published. I can barely believe I'm having a conversation like this on Era when we had a thread on this video last week:
View: https://youtu.be/wCo3XwTRg9o
As a former fat kid in school, sometimes the best way to beat a bully is to lean into the joke.
Electricity cost per mile is still significantly cheaper than gas so that should be taken into account when making decisions based on price.
Democrats passed a major climate, health and tax bill. Here's what's in it
On Friday, the House sent to President Biden's desk what Democrats call a historic piece of legislation, but it's still a much smaller version of what they — and Biden — originally called for.
www.npr.org
The Tax Impact Of The Inflation Reduction Act
The Inflation Reduction Act is a significantly scaled back version of the proposed “Build Back Better Act” defeated in 2021. Many of the tax proposals in the Build Back Better Act didn’t make it into the new bill, but a few did. Here they are.
www.forbes.com
Also credits for home stuff (solar, heat pumps, sinulation) and taxes on buybacks
I don't think their particular approach matters right now; the bill is going to pass whether they like it or not.
But I also get that victories breed complacency. I warned the night of Biden's victory that this is not a "back to normal," that there is plenty of work to be done to keep momentum going to not just achieve a normal but a "better", because conservatives simply refuse to fuck off forever, and subsequently most folks have failed to heed the advice and instead have just carried water for every single thing Biden has done, even the damn drone strike on the family bringing water home, while simultaneously blaming disaffected minorites and progressives for bad outcomes they have no control over, under the guise that not doing so is helping Republicans win. It's exhausting.
But in general, I get Clefargle's spirit. If you want abolition, you're not going to be satisfied that the chains are merely loosened, and you shouldn't be expected to be satisfied. You want the chains completely off.
Yeah but it doesn't take into account my monthly payment. I don't like the fuzzy accounting of "well if you take X cost and factor it in then you're really more like Y cost. I'm looking at the actual total loan cost of the vehicle for at time of purchase.
Appreciate you putting into words what I could not yesterday. I want those chains ripped off and will scream from the rooftops until it is done. (Even if I am an annoyance doing so)
Heading into voting season, I hope Dems blast GOP for not voting for this bill. Make it poison for them just like GOP always are spreading fear about guns bans and shit.
I'm happy Dems and Biden got a win. Seems like Dems have been taking beating after beating with their "tight" control of the senate. (Due to Sinema and Manchin)
I'm happy Dems and Biden got a win. Seems like Dems have been taking beating after beating with their "tight" control of the senate. (Due to Sinema and Manchin)
Democrats passed a major climate, health and tax bill. Here's what's in it
On Friday, the House sent to President Biden's desk what Democrats call a historic piece of legislation, but it's still a much smaller version of what they — and Biden — originally called for.
The Tax Impact Of The Inflation Reduction Act
The Inflation Reduction Act is a significantly scaled back version of the proposed “Build Back Better Act” defeated in 2021. Many of the tax proposals in the Build Back Better Act didn’t make it into the new bill, but a few did. Here they are.
Also credits for home stuff (solar, heat pumps, sinulation) and taxes on buybacks
Thanks. Seems like the bill is still being analyzed and there isn't a ton of info.
