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The Root: Black people will reject any candidate that trashes Obama to appease the far left
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Have you responded to the article in the comment section? Or if possible, wrote the writer himself?
The primary cause of enmity regarding those topics is that so few people actually truly engage with them.
It's a raft of three and four word posts like "But remember drone strikes?"
It eschews any context of the period, the particulars of any individual moment or action, and imllies a complete dearth of thought given to the history of a policy.
I'm adamantly against drone strikes, and the 90s crime bill, and a host of other Democratic-supported policies over the years but you have to simultaneously engage with the fact that those policies were either also supported by multiple camps, made sense for the moment, or could be learned from to alter our progress going forward.
Using them solely as reflexive interjections to perform your politics doesn't do anyone any good.
Obama is and outside of some horrifc scandal will remain the most popular dem politician of our lifetimes and this is especially true for the black community. I would say you would be extremely stupid to attack obama in the primaries.
I don't think any candidate should go after Obama directly. He remains very popular. One could critique the policies he enacted, but direct attack's aren't going to work.
However, we should always criticize our politicians no matter who they are or how much we like them.
However, we should always criticize our politicians no matter who they are or how much we like them.
Critiquing his presidency is fine.
Doing what dipshits like Matt Stoller and David Sirota do is gonna just earn you enemies.
Doing what dipshits like Matt Stoller and David Sirota do is gonna just earn you enemies.
No man is above reproach, including Obama. However when I see someone say "Obama has no legacy because the ACA was trash that did nothing and if he had just presidented hard enough, we would have single payer already!" all I hear is "I'm an idiot who has no idea how politics works and my political opinions should be ignored". The same can be applied to other topics besides healthcare. Criticize all you want but don' be a disingenuous, moron about it. That's what sets people off and will alienate voters real fast.
Trashed him in a comepetive primary before he was President isn't the same as making your case today trashing his time as President.
This take isn't particularly controversial or surprising (one would think). Anyone in the field who doesn't understand the point of the piece will find out the hard way, I guess.
Do people think that quote is a criticism of Obama? It doesn't read that way to me at all- its a criticism of the Democratic Party and its leadership. POTUS is obviously a big job, no one expected him to manage the Dem party on top of leading the country. He's just saying that the credit for Obama winning the presidency should go to Obama's own talents than the effectiveness of the Dem party.
Going after Obama's policies in a Dem primary is just as stupid. There is no reason to go after the most popular man in the country in his own political party primary in any way if you want to win.
There is nothing wrong with having issues with Obama or his policies but don't expect to win a Dem primary if you go after him.
Obama is as untouchable amongst the Dem base as Reagan was in the GOP circa 2000-2008.
It's important to know your audience
Yes. For the US Bernie is far left. People need to stop using socialism as the basis for what is left in America because that's not even a political option.
Democrats in general should spend less time attacking people and more time talking about why their ideas are good during the primaries.
Obama conducting drone strikes isn't an issue anyways outside the left wing.
What upset people was the nightly drum beat on the news of US troops getting shot and blown up in Iraq.
Notice how the US presence in Iraq and Afghanistan faded from people's mind once it was just several thousand soldiers in support roles well behind the front lines or confined to heavily guarded bases.
They definitely don't care about a robot blowing up god knows who over god knows what in Waziristan.
What upset people was the nightly drum beat on the news of US troops getting shot and blown up in Iraq.
Notice how the US presence in Iraq and Afghanistan faded from people's mind once it was just several thousand soldiers in support roles well behind the front lines or confined to heavily guarded bases.
They definitely don't care about a robot blowing up god knows who over god knows what in Waziristan.
You can criticize from the context of where the U.S. is on the political spectrum without being super shrill and condescending. Especially if you're criticizing one of the best and well-received Presidents we've had (note: by an American standard). Running your mouth at someone without due respect is fine and all on a message board or Twitter, but in a professional sphere, it's rancid. I want the U.S. to go further left, but I don't agree that this is the way to go about it. Get others in your party on board with your message; don't bully them into it.
Stuff like the usage of drones could be critiqued or saying that the ACA doesn't go far enough can be done.
I'll only trash him on the grounds of I wanted 2016 Barack his entire term. He didn't avoid topics like automation like he did while President when he was on the way out. He should have been championing this issue as a speaker to the public since 2011, but he let conservatives win by letting them whine about it not ever gonna happen (he spoke about the automation of ATMs in replace of bank tellers, which most people in this forum can see in their own lives as a change that actually happened).
The fact the "NAFTA took our jobs" narrative has been seen as the primary loss of jobs in sectors like manufacturing is an L Obama deserves to hold, as he's had the data to prove it wrong. As did Hillary, but they're making it a third rail by not being honest, letting con men come in with empty promises and justifying the fake narrative.
The article is literally saying the contrary It's ok to criticize Obama just like it's ok to criticize any human beings.
Trashing him with headline like "another Obama is the LAST thing the United States needs" or "Obama destroyed Democratic Party" is as wrong and stupid as it gets.
And it's also a losing strategy.
They are reasonable complaints but it's not wise to do that in a primary if going at Obama directly. There is no winning being critical of Obama in a Dem primary.
Religition of Obama's policies is not a really appealing topic for a base who is 110% focused on beating Trump at all cost.
Obama is probably going to end up being the most popular president of our lifetime so going after him personally, whether direct or indirect, is pretty stupid even if their heart is in the right place. We don't need candidates to focus on what someone else did wrong. They just need to talk about what they can do better.
Good, that is absolutely wonderful to hear. Biden I never expected anyways.
He lost in a landslide in the 2016 primaries. Losing by 13% in a two person race is not a close election.
Obama wasn't perfect and got a lot wrong at times. But I really don't want to hear other candidates within the democratic party bash him. Seems like a 'no duh' type of statement and anyone with an ounce of sense should know better. Focus on your own policies and plans and what you want to accomplish for your potential term. Why should I vote for YOU; what do I have to look forward to from your potential presidency? If all you're doing is looking back and tut-tutting Obama for his faults you've lost me utterly. You're digging a ditch and it's going to be harder for you to crawl your way out of it in my eyes.
This is the part of the thread where someone declares Beto a centrist/Republican based off nothing right? Next up someone is going to call Kamala a cop I am sure.
Beto voted with the GOP only 4% and 5% his first two terms. His third when running state wide in a red state he voted 8%. The average Dem votes 7%.
What a Republican.
nomis of course trashed Obama directly in the Beto thread about Beto being too much like Obama lol. And compared Obama to being a Republican lite as well. Seems to be his go to move.
the people she put in prison probably would but i doubt they have Era access in there
I don't think anyone in politics with enough sway to be a potential candidate would do something so asinine. It's just the anime avatars usually and people like Sirota.
can't think of any politicians trashing obama. thats why this article is balls
Why is it always the Anime avatars that think they know what theyre talking about?
I don't know the ACA sure did allow my black family to be covered despite having pre-exisiting conditions. You know, the conditions that poor communities of color are more likely to have due to food deserts and other social failings that disproportionately target them.
Just because I'm curious, ineffective how specifically? Was Obama personally ineffective, or was America and its institutions?
It's the diehard supporters in online discourse on public platforms. Era isn't an anomaly.
And that stuff bleeds through.
obama has more common ground on policy with mittens romney than with AOC
if you guys run another one of these charismatic third-way dinosaurs in 2020 trump is gonna win again and i will want to kms
He was barely known on the national stage and performed significantly better than anybody expected. He outperformed against a clear favorite. Do you also say Beto was crushed in Texas? You're choosing one metric to view things and it's a metric that isn't nearly as important as people make it out to be in determining whether somebody can win the presidency - which is what the article is about.
If Beto lost by 13% in texas then yeah Beto would have been crushed in a landslide. If Bernie lost by 2% like Beto did I would say bernie did amazing and nearly won.
Your comparison doesn't work lol.
Beto was 10 points closer to Cruz the Burnie was to Clinton.
So that metric only makes Bernie look worse lmao
I figure these are the same or at least an adjacent crowd whom, when there's a news story about Obama doing even the most minor good thing, like, I dunno, delivering toys to children, the first words out of their mouths are "DRONE STRIKES"
It's only annoying if you ignore its intent which your post implies.