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The Rise of Skywalker - Spoiler Thread [SPOILERS INSIDE]
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....of his mother disappearing into the Force as well...
Ya'll are reaching with this shit.
Obi was struck down, but he clearly disappeared into the force before Vader's lightsaber even touched him. Go ahead, go watch it again.
Yoda died of old age, and then....DISAPPEARED INTO THE FORCE.
Like why are you all hung up on this, it's been scene in the movies before, many many times.
Ben is technically in his late 20s or early 30s. Rey, I think, is 18 or so.
I actually didn't mind that, it was extremely predictable (insofar as it has been literally predicted for years lol) but I thought it was a nice touch. Think it's problematic for Rey's day to day life though if she introduces her as Rey Palpatine! Especially since no one else knows that reveal happened (right?) so why tell her friends and new family that she's actually a blood relation to the biggest monster in the galaxy.
Would you walk around calling yourself a Hitler if your parents tried to save you from your grandfather Hitler and you hated him?
Probably not, because that happened and they didn't.
This is Era, no one is ever happy here unless they're talking about Souls games.
We explained to you why it being done this way was worse than the other times. You just disagree. But plenty of people think it was hilariously bad. In like the span of a minute and a half we get the reveal that kylo isn't dead, that rey is dead, that he brought rey to life, that she wakes up and kisses him, and then he falls over and disappears. In literally like a minute and a half scene. Its absurd.
I feel like she should have been a great granddaughter. Like how does that timing work? How old are Rey and Ben? When was Sheev blasting out kids? It would have had to be between Episode I and II right?
Nah, the Knights being Luke's Jedi was a fan theory that was never true.
I no longer no how the force works. People teleporting shit. Kinda makes you wonder why they ever need space travel again. Have one force user hanging out on each planet and you can just teleport people between them.
Also, dude if you could just MAKE planet-destroying cannons and strap them to the bottom of Star Destroyers, why did you need a massive space station with 1 cannon that requires a full day to charge?
Also, dude if you could just MAKE planet-destroying cannons and strap them to the bottom of Star Destroyers, why did you need a massive space station with 1 cannon that requires a full day to charge?
Yeah, that makes it worse. The timeline just doesn't work. lol
Completely agree with you! The story in this trilogy isn't well spread out. The crawl literally starts with what should have been the end of TLJ
When I was younger, I read the young jedi knights EU books. They had a character named Zekk, who was kind of a love interest to Han & Leia's daughter. He goes bad but they eventually redeem him. My favorite EU character of all time.
That happened in like, my formative narrative years, so for whatever reason I love that trope. Kylo Ren is basically big-screen Zekk.
That happened in like, my formative narrative years, so for whatever reason I love that trope. Kylo Ren is basically big-screen Zekk.
Really? In TLJ when Luke is telling Rey what happened, he describes how when he got out of the rubble Kylo had taken a group of students and killed the rest.
The biggest issue is whether Adam Driver would be okay with erasing his death scene.
If it was impactful, I'd say no, but it's written almost as an afterthought so maybe.
I know Adam likes playing Ben Solo and would like to keep playing him and Rian like writing Ben Solo.
So here's hoping that Rian is writing a Ben Solo trilogy or have him involved in his trilogy somehow.
Phasma stand in.
You forgot the Kingdom Hearts drone shot selfie they did
There were really great character moments stuck in a pretty stupid overall plot. It felt like JJ was trying to have his own episode 8 and 9 simultaneously. The being the grandchild reveal was very anticlimactic.
Also, I should never feel bad about plot contrivances I make in games I work on. I mean, I will, but apparently I shouldn't.
Also, I should never feel bad about plot contrivances I make in games I work on. I mean, I will, but apparently I shouldn't.
"You get the force! You get the force! Everybody gets the force!"
I wouldn't have been surprised if Rick and Morty showed up in the movie.
I wouldn't have been surprised if Rick and Morty showed up in the movie.
After. The actor who play Rey's dad is only 30 so he would've been born between ROTS and ANH.
He'd be slightly younger than Luke.
The more I think about it, the more I think this isn't all on JJ. This has suits written all over it.
Just got back from seeing it. Well that certainly was one big, dumb fucking 'keep it in the family' Space Opera finale and I couldn't be happier. I feel like JJ read my mind and made this movie just for me. I imagine most others will hate it. Sorry about that, guys!
Why didn't the Star Destroyer just float up to space and suffocate all the resistance fighters?
I actually wouldn't say the movie is bad per se, but I strongly disagree that it worked. A few elements sorta worked for me. The handling of Ben Solo being the standout and Daisy was very strong but the plotting is an absolute joke. Things just happen because they need to. Honestly I thought Roberto Orci and Kurtzman wrote this shit.
Where did Palpatine come from? Doesn't matter. Fuck it!
Where did the super star destroyers with the Death Star lasers come from? Doesn't matter: Fuck it!
What was the actual objective at the end of the movie? Doesn't matter: Fuck it!
This one is hard to process, overall felt crammed with story revelations.
a lot of easy way out to introduce new characters (Lando, Palpatine) and plot points. The last battle was disappointing, quick actions and no real emotional moments hit for me
a lot of easy way out to introduce new characters (Lando, Palpatine) and plot points. The last battle was disappointing, quick actions and no real emotional moments hit for me
Can't tell you how many weird looks I got when I laughed hysterically at Ben dying. Good lord was that hilarious and had to have been JJ's intent. Up until that point i didn't completely hate it, it was just pretty bad. But at that point, this thing went to another level.
Also people will cheer and clap at the stupidest shit and i hate marvel movies for normalizing this shit. No you don't need to whistle bc Harrison ford appeared on screen.
Also people will cheer and clap at the stupidest shit and i hate marvel movies for normalizing this shit. No you don't need to whistle bc Harrison ford appeared on screen.
Terrio. Palpatine is basically lex luthor 2.0 from that movie where nothing about their plan makes any sense, nor the reasons for why they are pursuing it.
I agree the kiss was weird, but the reason for his death was super explicit.
We see Rey heal wounded creatures and we see that the act inflicts real damage on her. She describes it as a transfer of life force.
So if healing an injured worm creature has a small effect on a force user, healing death surely has a larger effect.
Yeah. Again, I really like most of the movie but I thought at least watching it the first time that his death was one of the most poorly executed scenes. It's not like undoing Tony's perfect death scene in Endgame.
No. That was retconned.
No one from Luke's Jedi Academy survived. A lightning blast killed most of them.
Yeah, my theater seemed to dig the Han moment a lot, and the kiss was a big nope. Also everyone and their mother coming to this super hard to find hidden place.
So disappointing. I genuinely loved TLJ, while also recognizing it had a few moments that didn't work (Everything Kylo/Rey/Luke was perfection to me though). This movie was obviously written to "fix" things that didn't need fixing and went full bore into nostalgia bait overload. It seriously sucks to see this trilogy go out on such a creatively bankrupt note.
I feel like some aspects of this movie i disliked could work if the pacing wasn't so wildly off-kilter and the movie stopped for a few minutes to let things breathe and characters to react. As well as doing a LOT more showing than telling. Geez the exposition in this movie was sloppy.
Rey being a Palpatine was a massive misfire. It doesn't feel organic to the story at all and actively undermines my favourite moment from TLJ. :(
Kylo's redemption just didn't work for me at all. The kiss made me squirm in my seat. Just WTF were they thinking. I legit think it is one of the worst Star Wars moments ever.
Rose getting done dirty seriously pissed me off. Yes, her adoration of Finn was one-sided. Why not actually build on that and acknowledge their relationship from the last film? Instead they introduce a new, woefully underdeveloped, character to interact with Finn, to an already jam packed film. Finn had a clear character arc in TLJ. In this movie he he felt like window dressing (like Rose :/).
I feel like some aspects of this movie i disliked could work if the pacing wasn't so wildly off-kilter and the movie stopped for a few minutes to let things breathe and characters to react. As well as doing a LOT more showing than telling. Geez the exposition in this movie was sloppy.
Rey being a Palpatine was a massive misfire. It doesn't feel organic to the story at all and actively undermines my favourite moment from TLJ. :(
Kylo's redemption just didn't work for me at all. The kiss made me squirm in my seat. Just WTF were they thinking. I legit think it is one of the worst Star Wars moments ever.
Rose getting done dirty seriously pissed me off. Yes, her adoration of Finn was one-sided. Why not actually build on that and acknowledge their relationship from the last film? Instead they introduce a new, woefully underdeveloped, character to interact with Finn, to an already jam packed film. Finn had a clear character arc in TLJ. In this movie he he felt like window dressing (like Rose :/).
I think the moral is value are thicker bounds than blood. Thus Rey taking the Skywalker name looking at Luke & Leia (who she considers being her true parents I guess)
My theater got groans and giggling when Rey and Ben kissed and a few gasps when the two women kissed.
No. Sheev blasted a kid out between ROTS and ANH so while he was already wrinkly.
The actor who plays his son is only 30.
Rey is 19-20.
Ben is 29-30.
Oooof. Well, that was certainly a movie.
It's like a bunch of ideas thrown into a blender. The overall ending to the Skywalker legacy is well done but the journey to get there is.... I don't think I like it. It's too stuck living in the OT while clearly afraid to do anything new.
It's like a bunch of ideas thrown into a blender. The overall ending to the Skywalker legacy is well done but the journey to get there is.... I don't think I like it. It's too stuck living in the OT while clearly afraid to do anything new.
That JJ shade to Rian though when Luke stopped Rey from throwing the lightsaber (I liked it lol)
Yes, definitely agree. I had this problem too. The force just becomes a "We need this...over there" device so you got people teleporting shit and whatnot and characters just showing up.
TLJ is really not that sharp of a departure from TFA. People will for instance criticize the depiction of Luke in that movie but that doesn't contradict anything established about him in TFA; it actually builds directly off what we do know about Luke, as told by Han. TROS actively works against things that TLJ set up, most clearly in Rey's origin and the overall theme of anyone can be the hero of their story.
The OT all had different writers and directors. The PT had one writer/director. The issue isn't the number of creatives involved, that doesn't guarantee any kind of consistency or continuity. One person can fuck up his own stuff and a team of people can find ways to fit different pieces by different authors together. I think the issue is that, despite public comments to the contrary, JJ straight up either did not like or did not get Rian's take and wanted to reassert what he wanted for VIII (which I think we can safely guess would've been about Luke hunting for Palpatine, and perhaps retreating to Ach-To to search for the knowledge of Exogol's whereabouts) onto this movie, and it's at best a pretty awkward fit.
But Rey healed him from death like 20 minutes prior. Unless stabbing someone through the chest with a lightsaber isn't death anymore, though that is news to me in this universe haha
Finn was going to tell her that he can feel the force. He explains it later in the film.
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