Two flops in a row. Time for Kathleen Kennedy to bow the fuck out. She has no idea what she is doing.
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The Rise of Skywalker Review Thread: The Sheev Saga Comes to a Close [No Spoilers] (Rottenwatch: 55%; 10% below AOTC) [SEE STAFF POST]
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they didn't have to. they could have gone full sozin's-comet-azula with kylo in this but can't have that for some reason.
but i guess it's not like someone with a shitload of power using it in increasingly unwieldy ways for their own selfish reasons among an increasingly smaller but more dangerous group of sycophants would be relevant in 2019 or something.
THey can both be bad movies!
BUt it is most impressive that this will probably be worse.
I have to give it to Disney and JJ, they tried really hard to make this trash fire burn brighter!
As someone that has watched both TPM and AOTC (fully this time around instead of parts of it) for the first time this week, hell no at TPM being better.
I mean the Rey/Kylo alone will ensure I like this movie more, but still... damn
Like they really managed to market the movie in a way that displeased TLJ fans who were hyped after watching it, whereas the detractors just weren't enthused to begin with. And now it seems that the actual movie itself may very well do the same thing, where no one's happy lol
Lmao pretty much
I mean the Rey/Kylo alone will ensure I like this movie more, but still... damn
Like they really managed to market the movie in a way that displeased TLJ fans who were hyped after watching it, whereas the detractors just weren't enthused to begin with. And now it seems that the actual movie itself may very well do the same thing, where no one's happy lol
Lmao pretty much
That depends entirely on the revenue though, for all we know catering to nostalgia might make the film race to a billion faster than TLJ....which uh..would really say so much about audiences tbh.
It was the only was of establishing him as a final boss for the saga.
He finished TLJ as inferior to Rey unfortunately.
I agree with the posts who say AotC > TPM. Watch them again. I was very firmly in the camp of "AotC is the worst one and complete dogshit" until my wife and I rewatched the whole series leading up to this. TPM is painful, AotC has painful moments but is a better movie.
We can argue this all day, but what is shit or not, is subjective. I'm not the biggest fan of TLJ but at least it had good reviews.
You don't establish him as a worthy adversary by having him just go around killing old people.
My biggest problem with this trilogy, apart from the fact it undoes basically everything of the OT, is that I don't really know what is happening in the Galaxy. Where are the New Republic? How big are the First Order? Big enough to make a weapon bigger than the Death Star but small enough that 20 Resistance fighters cause them problems. Why do you even need a Resistance, did blowing up those 5 planets literally destroy the Republic? Is the First Order ruling the Galaxy now? I just dont get the scale of things and the state of all these factions so I find it hard to care.
Bless my light morning of work. This thread is gonna blow up when east coast comes strolling in.
I liked AOTC as a kid but I can barely get through it now. Saw Spider-Man that same summer, good times
Phantom Menace was always dogshit with a cool lightsaber battle at the end.
Revenge of the Sith I legit enjoy. Plus, THE MEMES
Phantom Menace was always dogshit with a cool lightsaber battle at the end.
Revenge of the Sith I legit enjoy. Plus, THE MEMES
Hey if I have to smell one at least duel of the dates is playing while I do it!
RT should not be the arbiter of quality. Look at the score AotC had.
I didn't hate TLJ but it had a lot of dumb things that makes its RT score feel incorrect.
But maybe they can get even lower? Wouldn't that be worth making them? I say, have at it!
I'd say Battlefield Earth is about it's only competition.
That movie is a train wreck from top to bottom though.
I too, watched them recently again. AOTC is still worse. TPM is dumb as fuck but AOTC is just plain offensive with that shitty Anakin, stupid nonsensical love story and Yoda flipping around with his tiny lightsaber. It had the better Obi Wan though , but that's it.
They could get worse and the money would still be worth it for them.
Darth Vader was not scary just because he killed an old man though. An old man who let himself being killed even.
As someone who was an adult (or well close enough for TPM) when the PT came out, I'm cackling like Palpatine when kids who watched them finally come around that AotC is indeed a better smelling fart than TPM. Those RT scores are correct.
Both of them end the film with crippling self doubt.
The difference is that Rey had people who could prop her up. Going from here is them both reflecting on this experience.
The stakes are bigger too ... AOTC should be getting you deeply invested in the love story and Anakin-Obi-Wan friendship but it fails terribly on that.
TPM could just be "baby's first Star Wars" type of fun adventure (which it doesn't achieve either) and set the table.
Disney will make money no matter what. But the fact that they're finally tanking with critics means that they'll have to take a step back and really look at how they're handling the series.
I like the trilogy, but this string of bizarre studio interference is very 2016 Warner Bros, and they took some blows before changing for the better.
I agree on both Attack of the Clones and The Force Awakens.
Attack of the Clones is in the same spot for me as Now You See Me - can't watch those movies without getting angry about how bad they are. There is actually some potential for them to hit above their weight or at least deliver some good entertainment, but they either fumble with everything they are given or just don't care enough to try.
The Force Awakens is disappointing for me because it played it too safe when it was almost there. They had all the right elements and a very promising new guard for the movie and still decided to rely way too much on the established formula that was already done two times in the exact same way at this point (three if you count Episode I). There was no reason to bring back the old status quo either.
And now here we are. End of the next era, apparently going out in the same way that it started.
I just hope that everyone learned their part and tries better next time - Star Wars is full of stories that would be fun to see on the big screen. They just have to dig in and a) find what worked in the old EU and will still work now and b) let go of the old trilogy and finally have the guts to expand the universe beyond the characters from I-VI.
The rabid, entitled fandom spiting TLJ so hard as to take the entire franchise down with them is kind of a poetic end to this new trilogy.
He doesn't have a "shitload of power" though. Maybe compared to normal people, but he had already lost to Rey. There was no space to build up to some big final duel between them. The only way the First Order could feel like a threat would be if it were entirely due to numbers and sci-fi weapons rather than trying to force his direct personal powers to mean anything. However, they'd never take that route in the first place anyway considered how the previous movies were written. If a purely technological villain were on the cards, we wouldn't have needed to get dark force users as enemies again in the first place.
Eh, I think they chose the wrong route to "carter to nostalgia". Something like bringing back Palpatine just hurts the previous movies even more, and I can't see someone who disliked how Luke was treated in TLJ suddenly being happy with that.
Really, if there was a death they needed to retcon for nostalgia money it was Luke himself, especially after these new movies essentially established that the OT cast accomplished nothing in the original trilogy.
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It will 100% look better and be a spectacle but writing from the (accurate) leaks was fanficition nonsense.
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I knew it wouldn't be as good as TLJ, but I never thought it would end up so messed up. Perhaps now we can go back to the pre-TFA reality where nobody trusted JJ with anything related to story.