I doubt it will be remotely as revived as the PT.
ST doesn't have all the surrounding media and merchandise that does it favors.
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ST doesn't have all the surrounding media and merchandise that does it favors.
I'll begin by saying I agree with you that Disney should've planned this trilogy's story from the get-go, and they should've had more time to breathe.
However, I disagree with your points on The Last Jedi. You keep assuming that Snoke is the main antagonist, and that is where you're wrong. The main antagonist of TLJ is Kylo Ren. He is who tries to seduce our hero to the dark side, he is the one who tracks them down to Crait and tries to defeat them, and he is the one with the most complexities surrounding his intentions.
JJ misunderstood this as well, and so he felt he had to introduce another big bad instead of Kylo Ren when really the focus should have all been on Kyle for the last movie. However, since it's the last movie of the trilogy and Skywalker Saga he had to grab an old baddie: Palpatine.
It's disappointing.
Nope sorry it's not even close to as bad as any of the prequels.
I think the next trilogy will tell us what Star Wars fans really want. It will be an all new setting with no skywalkers, no empire, no rebels, and no nostalgia. It will have to stand on its own as a series of films.
We'll also see how Disney handles a Star Wars story with a blank slate.
We'll also see how Disney handles a Star Wars story with a blank slate.
Doom 3 sucks because it's . . . Not Doom. It's chasing trends. Doom 2016 is the spirit of Doom compared to that 3 garbage. Sorry.
For as hammy as the prequels are, at least they try to craft (and, I'd argue, succeed) their own sense of identity, aesthetically-speaking. They also understand that the emotional core of Star Wars as a franchise resides in its themes and character drama. All three are trainwrecks, to some degree, but you can't accuse them of not having a personality.
In contrast, this movie is a vapid imitation of what came before it, so creatively bankrupt there's no emotional core to be found in it. It's a nothing movie, the most cynical, approved-by-comitee product Disney could have put out to salvage the status of the franchise in popular culture. It's a Baudrillardian nightmare, choke-full of empty iconography for level 3 fans that has been stripped of all meaning in order to keep the runtime to a minimum.
There's a particular callback toward the end of the film to Rey's introduction in TFA that can only be interpreted as either JJ jerking it to his previous contribution, or as an example of using self-reference in a straight-up farcical way.
So yeah, count me firmly on the camp of people who'd rather see watch something as derranged as the prequels instead of this, because I'd rather watch something with an once of creative ambition instead of yet another film stripped down of all personality by the Disney Corporation.
In contrast, this movie is a vapid imitation of what came before it, so creatively bankrupt there's no emotional core to be found in it. It's a nothing movie, the most cynical, approved-by-comitee product Disney could have put out to salvage the status of the franchise in popular culture. It's a Baudrillardian nightmare, choke-full of empty iconography for level 3 fans that has been stripped of all meaning in order to keep the runtime to a minimum.
There's a particular callback toward the end of the film to Rey's introduction in TFA that can only be interpreted as either JJ jerking it to his previous contribution, or as an example of using self-reference in a straight-up farcical way.
So yeah, count me firmly on the camp of people who'd rather see watch something as derranged as the prequels instead of this, because I'd rather watch something with an once of creative ambition instead of yet another film stripped down of all personality by the Disney Corporation.
I jut rewatched The Last Jedi and my word I swear that movie gets better every viewing. Such a shame the final episode took barely anything from TLJ forward and built on it.
Oh, what we could've had!
Oh, what we could've had!
They both chase trends. They're both amazing. And it is Doom. It's the same gameplay with a different pace and more depth. Sometimes it's fast, sometime's it's slow. It does both action AND horror, and is an amalgamation of all the Doom games before it. It's also less broken than at least Doom 1. They both have strengths and weaknesses.
Shit isn't black and white.
This applies to anything. So while I may be talking about Doom 3 now, I'm really talking about any sequel ever.
I enjoy them all. Cuz you didn't like it doesn't mean they did a bad job and/or the game is bad.
It could be an exciting side story (but still important) set in between Order 66 and the OT. No spoilers... but I hear a certain Darth "Father" may show up!
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We agree to disagree. At least with the prequels i can say 1 or 2 good things about them. There wasnt a single thing here that i would consider to be good.
Yeah that's all we can do. It sucks you didn't like anything about it.
the prequels have no creative ambition and no personality, I'm not sure how anyone can say they do.
Who ever said this? I really don't think it's true at all. People weren't upset that the prequels weren't the same movie. People weren't upset that TLJ wasn't the same movie. The reasons those movies get backlash is for completely different reasons. We just want something that's new AND *gasp* actually good!
And don't throw Zelda fans under the bus when both OOT and BOTW shook up the formula and were almost universally praised as classics.
I havnt seen ROS but this sums my feeling up perfectly.
If someone were to just describe the plots of these films, the prequels are so much more dynamic and interesting and consequential and weighty than what Disney has done.
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Man I really wanted to like this movie. But it was just meh. It felt like there was barely any transition. Just one set piece to another. Editing felt weird and sudden. Maybe there will be an extended cut later that allows it to breathe more.
Well I mean, just because you like it doesn't mean it's good. It's a piss-poor follower to the FPS 'cinematic' gaming trends of those years. It didn't even put a good foot forward. You're basically saying 'it does a mixture of a lot of things. Sometimes it's fast sometimes it's slow.' Problem is, it doesn't do a lot of those things especially well.
Similar problem with TROS.
I think you are misinterpreting what I'm saying. I was saying that nobody wants things to "be the same".
If anything this new trilogy (debatable whether it's good) has a problem with being too samey, retreading old paths, remaking A New Hope, cashing in on nostalgia, etc. Where atleast myself and the people I talk to all wanted them to be more original, with more fresh ideas.
I doubt my comments count as spoilers but I've spoiler tagged them just in case.
TLJ ends with Rey literally and figuratively shutting the door on Kylo and him festering in his rage and hatred. The clear path forward from there was for Kylo to become a crazed, barely-competent leader using his destructive force to bring chaos to the galaxy. It could have been awesome.
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All they had to do was make the Thrawn Trilogy, but no Disney gotta cancel their whole expanded universe and pull some mediocre crap out of their ass.
A friend of mine who once posted a comic he made with how TLJ was "supposed" to go (Luke taking the lightsaber from Rey with love and turning to Mara Jade to say, "Our daughter has returned") just posted his thoughts on TRoS.
He loved it because it was a "repudiation" of the "blasphemous" Episode VIII.
Oh no.
He loved it because it was a "repudiation" of the "blasphemous" Episode VIII.
Oh no.
Thrawn Trilogy is better than this mess by far, but its nowhere near as good as we all remember it. Terrible dialogue (not PT level bad of course, but pretty bleh), a slow moving plot, and Thrawn was always kind of a Villain Sue who only dies due to Deus ex Machina.
Plus, Mark and Co. were all just too old now :-(
Finally saw this earlier and I have no real words. I'm left not feeling anything. Just... what.
My passion for Star Wars has waned considerably throughout the Disney era, but I'm about to buy Fallen Order next week and we have The Clone Wars coming in February (jury's still out on The Mandalorian, for me), so that's something, right? Right.
Ugh.
My passion for Star Wars has waned considerably throughout the Disney era, but I'm about to buy Fallen Order next week and we have The Clone Wars coming in February (jury's still out on The Mandalorian, for me), so that's something, right? Right.
Ugh.
Yeah what about those of us looking for reviews not actual dissection of the film by those here who have seen it already?
There's a difference :)
There's a difference :)
Yea I really wanted to see what the First Order would have been like under his rule
I feel like the only review that's not out yet will probably get its own thread tbh
I wanted an Azula in Avatar: TLA level meltdown. Just leaning more and more into total narcissistic insanity as the film went on. Adam Driver is a fantastic actor. He could have totally pulled that off, and he might have cemented himself as one of the most memorable Star Wars villains ever. Such a shame.
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Looks like WoM is pretty bad
from the BO thread
that's the same as Justice League as an FYI
from the BO thread
Cinemascore.
that's the same as Justice League as an FYI
That's the lowest score out of all 9 films.
Yes, even the PT got As...
so it's just science fiction then.
the force, Jedi, mandalorians, bounty hunters a large empire etc IS Star Wars
That's probably the best attitude to go in with. As I've said to another poster, you definitely need to see it yourself to make a judgement call. For all you know, you'll like it, even if you don't like some of the story beats.