Lmao@ them getting the writers of batman vs superman jurassic world and monster trucks to write this movie
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The Rise of Skywalker Review Thread: The Sheev Saga Comes to a Close [No Spoilers] (Rottenwatch: 55%; 10% below AOTC) [SEE STAFF POST]
- Thread starter Bor Gullet
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HEY HEY HEY
Remember when The Empire Strikes Back retconned the Luke's father story that Obi Wan told him? What a joke, all for a cheap twist
What if people don't want the entire Star Wars concept flipped on its head?
Then they just want pale photocopies of the original films with better special effects and worse characters. And at that point, do we really need more Star Wars at all?
It's not a problem to tell the story through a new lens and explore a different kind of conflict. That's GOOD storytelling, rather than just awkwardly replicating movies from 40 years ago with zero plan.
Wait, how was that premise flipping Star Wars on its head? That's like the set-up to half of the movies?
RJ had the opportunity actually subvert expectations in an interesting way by having Rey and Ben team up and he doesn't do it, so TLJ ends with things as basically the status quo — the evil empire is chasing the good rebels.
Rewatching TLJ last night for me reaffirmed the fact that it's the 2nd best movie in the saga behind Empire.
I'm seeing TRoS tonight and I'm most likely going to enjoy it, but it sucks that they're actively trying to retcon TLJ.
I'm seeing TRoS tonight and I'm most likely going to enjoy it, but it sucks that they're actively trying to retcon TLJ.
It's almost like story boards don't exist in the Star Wars timeline.
This is like, the Voltron of failure right here.
Monster Trucks!
Book of Henry!
Star Trek Into Darkness!
Batman v Superman!
....
By your powers combined I am Captain Hack!
I'm pretty sure there's middle ground between "Flipped on its Head" and "Uncreative Retreading."
Not everything has to be a deconstruction I feel. What if I like Star Wars because I liked the elements normally associated with Star Wars?
Remember how many say that MCU movies get a higher score than they deserve just for the brand?
After sleeping on this movie. I'm convinced that's happening here.
After sleeping on this movie. I'm convinced that's happening here.
Unfortunately not. Maybe the only piece of Star Wars universe not referenced in it.
It would STILL BE those elements, just without the EXACT SAME final boss fight as last time. Having Kylo as an unhinged maniac terribly leading the First Order while the Resistance steadily grows in strength and chips away at their powerbase is still Star Wars, it's just not "HERE IS THE BIGGEST BAD WITH THE BESTEST FORCE POWERS, IS HE NOT BADASS!?!?!?!?!?!?!" again.
Brutal
So basically if it were called Bar Bwars it would have gotten a 2/10?
It was very clearly stated by the end of TLJ that Kylo would've made a TERRIBLE Supreme Leader and his troops were already viewing him as an emotional wreck and not taking him seriously, even BEFORE Luke embarrassed him in front of the entire galaxy. That's a completely different kind of framework for JJ to play around with, with a weakened and desperate First Order being pulled in multiple directions by Kylo's madness and the 'purists' (Hux, etc) wanting to preserve their original mission while Luke's sacrifice inspires people and planets all around the galaxy to rise up against them.
The final film in the story could've featured an unbalanced First Order and an ascendant Resistance, flipping the "scrappy rebels versus impossible odds" conflict of the past five movies on its head. That would've been a great way to change up the finale - a desperate, flailing First Order trying anything possible to scrape out a final victory.
I mean what is there to talk about without spoils. The reviews are out and we see where the critics stand.
Ah I mistook what you meant. I thought you were discussing a deconstruction of the concept of Star Wars itself, not the power dynamic.
Though to be fair, the prequels were about a strong established good guy side getting blindsided by a much smaller evil side. So lets not act like "Empire Bad Rebel Good" is a universal constant in Star Wars.
That's too bad, Jar Jar is a much better character than Han Solo or Luke Skywalker with better acting.
It's not a universal constant, but it has been the universal constant for the past five (chronological) episodes.
Then there is a perfectly good trilogy created 40 years ago for you to enjoy. For as shitty as the prequels are you have to respect them for telling a somewhat coherent story. The new trilogy is simply a rehash with some twists. I mean Starkiller Base? Seriously? The Star Wars universe has unlimited potential and they choose to create Starkiller Base? The First Order is a weaker less coherent Empire and almost none of the interesting story arcs prevail in the two movies.
For what they are they are fun but it doesn't progress the Star Wars universe in any meaningful way and I believe they should have.
Trust me, I wont be going around defending JJ's initial decision to have the Empire back as some giant super power vs a small Rebellion in TFA.
I really thought TLJ was going to be leading into some like 5+ year time skip which I honestly was very worried about. So I'm not exactly devastated the next movie is ignoring that and Jedi Janitor Kid.
I'd say that was sort of what the prequels and TFA were (at least in terms of power dynamics, not leadership competency), but yeah that wouldn't have been terrible either. I still think I prefer the movie I imagined in the theater when it seemed like Ben and Rey were actually going to realize that the Sith v Jedi conflict is stupid and self-destructive and that they should team up.
Both would definitely be better than what we got though.
There was never going to be a chance of that kid being the main character. It was just a theme scene.
The movie literally ends on the kid, no? Some sort of "Welp the good guys are down to like...12 people but hey look this kid has hope!" message I believe. Noooot exactly inspiring confidence here.
The kid is narrative shorthand. He's saying the entire galaxy was inspired by Luke's sacrifice. That's all.
Eer
it doesn't retcon anything in TLJ. It just ignores it.
Totally. Like Marvel. I'm sure the directors know what they can and can't do. Johnson should've never been allowed to just deconstruct everything.
the people claiming that JJ had to bring back Palpatine because RJ killed Snoke make no sense to me.
Preach indeed. My exact thoughts coming out of the theater.
Some of JJ's decisions in this movie are downright cowardly and petty. I really feel sorry for Rian Johnson but look forward to his upcoming trilogy (if that's what it ends up being).
Rian didn't ignore anything. Everything he did with the characters is honest and rooted in what came before
I mean, Chris Terrio's most recent writing credit is to a movie that has a 58% RT. He's getting better!!!! :D
Rian Johnson living rent free in millions of minds.
Rian Johnson living rent free in millions of minds.
My family and friends disowned me. I disown STARW ARSSSSS
