There's ways of going about it and parts of TLJ felt like they were directly calling out Abrams for trying to adhere to the OT. I don't know how else you can view how Rian treated Snoke. Rian thought Snoke was a stupid Emperor replacement and disregarded Snoke rightfully as the trash he is.
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The Rise of Skywalker Review Thread: The Sheev Saga Comes to a Close [No Spoilers] (Rottenwatch: 55%; 10% below AOTC) [SEE STAFF POST]
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I still had no idea who or what the Knights of Ren are supposed to be after I watched the movie. Let that be your answer.
(I also didn't enjoy the movie, but believe me that has nothing to do with the status of the Knights of Ren)
Lol, I don't know anyone in the real world who likes TLJ. Deconstructing a series in the middle chapter was probably not the best idea... among other bad ideas plaguing the Disney era.
I'm seeing TROS tonight. Btw, I still haven't seen a single poster for this movie. I did see a big ad for Fallen Order on a bus ten minutes ago though.
Will the social media people who were blown away and saying this is the most satisfying movie ever made and "literally screaming" at the premiere screening make any follow-up posts?
The guy selling me popcorn said it was easily the best of the new movies.
[narrator] It wasn't
Maybe not but I'm sure the people saying it's the worst movie ever made and has ruined their love of the franchise won't shut the fuck up about it for the next year or so.
We can blame it on all involved. Disney for rushing, JJ for playing safe, Rian for completely ignoring what JJ did, and then JJ again for being creatively bankrupt.
Which is .. what?
12 resistance fighters left with no fleet, a still untrained force sensitive spunky woman, a dead (irl) main cast character still central to the story, and a duo of bad guys made of an emo moody brat and a cartoonishly evil nazi stooge.
Oh yeah, and Finn being stalked by a female tech, while Poe is despised by probably most of the few survivors for having led a mutiny.
I guess the way to go was to do a 20 year time jump and make broom boy the new chosen one.
The legacy of TLJ was a burnt landscape, based upon which Lucasfilm then had to wrap 42 years of Star Wars Skywalker saga in one film.
All for the sake of subverted expectations and "freshness" .
Edit: to be clear I am not putting the blame solely on RJ. JJ, KC and many other executives have signed on TLJ and made choices in continuing TLJ the way they did in TRoS.
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You all fail to see the bigger picture here(from the Rolling Stone review)
'OK, the final episode isn't perfect. You'll nitpick it forever with your friends. But that's the point. Star Wars isn't a movie, it's family. We're that close to it. And the in-fighting about what it does right and wrong is as crucial as the love. '
'OK, the final episode isn't perfect. You'll nitpick it forever with your friends. But that's the point. Star Wars isn't a movie, it's family. We're that close to it. And the in-fighting about what it does right and wrong is as crucial as the love. '
This is why I mock the TLJ haters.
Abomination. This is the film you folks deserve.
"It's about family, and that's what's so powerful about it"
Bah, that's a cop-out and a logical fallacy. The fact that you discuss about a movie doesn't make it good.
You hire a director that throws everything out the window during the middle part of your trilogy and call it art.
Nah...maybe RJ should have followed what JJ set up.
Nah, Disney should have hired a single director for all three movies so this wasn't even an issue
That too
Either have JJ or RJ doall 3 films, though I doubt TFA would have been as good as it was with Mr Subvert Expectations at the Helm.
I mean it literally could not be less creative and inspired than TFA, so we wouldn't have much to lose.
Again, aside from the Knights of Ren, which weren't a large part of TFA, almost everything in TLJ follows up on what JJ did. You can like or dislike what he did with the plot elements, but he didn't ignore them.
Haha, when you said poster, I thought you meant a person from London posting on this forum.
Now you mention it, I don't recall seeing any posters or other merchandise for the film at all. They had coverage from the premiere on tv yesterday but that was about it.
You may mock us, and that's fine. We meanwhile will mock you for stanning hard for such a shitty film.
They should have kept doing 1 movie every 3 years. I know it probably doesn't sound good for Disney, but Star wars was always an event, that's why TFA was so big. Once you get used to it, it doesn't work as well. And with 3 years you can take your time, polish your scripts, plan ahead, and keep the same director.
RJ pratically gave a green field for JJ to close the saga. He could've tried any idea that would envolve a final Rey x Kylo and FO x Resistance confront, Rey starting a new Jedi order and Kylo being the final boss that would've worked fine.
And he couldn't have done better.
And he couldn't have done better.
I'd say sandbagging Snoke that hard qualifies in a way. He didn't necessarily walk back anything that was established in TFA, but TFA clearly was setting up Snoke as a major player in the trilogy and TLJ did basically nothing with him and then killed him off.
Yeah, it does sound very petty
Yeah the lack of a guiding vision or outline by Lucasfilm is the root cause. Different directors can work if they have common thread and are on the same page to some extent. But they need that vision or they'll make up their own. Or give the trilogy to one director.
Why are you so defensive about someone not enjoying a movie?
Not to the extent that TROS does to TLJ, definitely. But that's still part of the reason why this trilogy doesn't work as a cohesive whole.
Maybe it wouldn't be much of a problem if someone, anyone, had written an outline about the events in the sequel trilogy
I like the idea that you couldn't make a movie following up on what TLJ left on the table, where the big bad is an unstable, troubled force user in charge of an army, and a dwindled rebellion is left to overcome those odds. No potential for a story there.
I can see why people took issue with it back then but it's obvious that Snoke was killed off in service of making Kylo Ren a more compelling villain. Most people would agree that he's been the best part of these movies, so the angle of making him Snoke's ball-and-chain the same way Darth Vader was to Palpatine never sat well with me and I'm glad RJ went against this. Kylo wanted to surpass all of them and tried so damn hard to be the "boss", so the way they snuffed out Snoke made perfect sense.
Watching it tonight with some friends. Going in with both low and high expectations at the same time.
Yeah, that was what I loved about TLJ's setup. There was a blank slate for "kill the past" Kylo Ren to forge an identity beyond Vader cosplayer and an army that isn't Sleeker Empire, and for "learn from your failures and pass things on" good guys to help make a brand new kind of Resistance and concept of Jedi from the ground up that wasn't just X Wings and sword wielding monks in robes, and the removal of an "emperor" figure meant that this trilogy's Vader couldn't be morally redeemed by conveniently giving them a bigger nastier bad guy to get upset at at the
last minute.
As soon as JJ was reconfirmed, I had a sinking feeling that all of that was going to be discarded.
JJ didn't actually set up anything, and that's the problem. Snoke is not a compelling antagonist and never would be. Yet ANOTHER sneering Dark Lord wouldn't actually be a good story.
I didn't think Snoke was compelling at all either, and I don't really blame RJ for not liking the hand that was dealt to him by TFA since it was so pedestrian and safe. It just doesn't make for a good overall story to have the storytelling be so disjointed and myopic like that.
Not necessarily one director, but just like - say - Mandalorian, or the original Trilogy, it should've had one 'showrunner'. Multiple directors and script writers are fine, but a trilogy needs a single person / team of people at the helm throughout.
imho
Too much story for the capstone of a trilogy to conclude, apparently.
It's such a good idea, they had to make sure to ruin it as much as possible. Flipping the entire Star Wars concept on its head while retaining the forward momentum of the mythos? NAH. Slam the brakes on and rewind the conflict back 40 years for nostalgia porn reasons again.
Reviews are concerning. That said, I'm seeing this at 6:00 with my kids and wife after grabbing some pizza (LOL "Dec 20" release). Should be a fun night regardless.
