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The Rise of Skywalker Review Thread: The Sheev Saga Comes to a Close [No Spoilers] (Rottenwatch: 55%; 10% below AOTC) [SEE STAFF POST]
- Thread starter Bor Gullet
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JJ has been the problem with the trilogy. The man is a hack. Its fate was sealed as soon as he was chosen to bear the torch.
He fucked up Star Trek, he fucked up Star Wars.
All his TV shows are shite.
I'll be amazed if it worse than TPM or AOTC. Seems like hyperbole to me.
So hypothetically speaking, if TROS underperforms (no way it outright bombs) will that not be Kennedy's fault?
If this gets below 53% (Phantom Menace), we are gonna see some shit
Here's an interview that has a good outline of her involvement: https://io9.gizmodo.com/star-wars-kathleen-kennedy-on-the-long-road-to-ending-t-1840267035
Yet he made what is likely to be the best movie of the trilogy... Or is it perhaps because Rian and JJ were never in the same book, much less the same page, and there was nothing that he had left to work with?
Abrams is a hack. Thor 2 fans on the right side of history.
You're looking at this too simply. You can still DO the clash between light and dark without it being yet another tired lightsaber duel that reveals nothing new.
It's funny how different people can interpret the same piece of media differently, haha. I remember leaving TLJ and thinking, "Wow, they set this up to where they can go so many different ways for Episode IX!"
The biggest reason I thought this is that it set Kylo Ren set up as the "big bad" for IX. This one had the most implications on the story makes redemption for Kylo near impossible and literally closes the door on Rey and Kylo becoming allies. Depending on the length of time skip between VIII & IX, they could have Ren and Rey/Finn/Poe is drastically different circumstances.
They also Re-established force powers that allow force ghosts to interact with physical environments, which gave a lot of possibilities for characters (Luke, for example) to still have a role in IX.
Lastly, they added/reinvigorated a bunch of the mythos, which could have allowed them to do bunch of new lore stuff (Prime Jedi, Rey not really a Jedi, etc.)
Best post in this thread hands down. Give this man a raise.
Is Rise of the Skywalker the New Thor 2: The Dark World?
Oh I'm not more plugged into anything. If that was the plan from the start, it was a bad idea from the get go, IMO. This trilogy needed to be its own story to tell.
So, what will Chris Terrio's next project be after helping burn the DCEU and Star Wars to the ground? Maybe it's time for a Lord of the Rings reboot?
By the end of TLJ Kylo Ren doesn't even have the entire First Order behind him. Look at the way Hux is giving him the side eye at the end of the movie. Look at how clearly disappointed in himself he is when he realizes how badly Luke fucking duped him.
And most importantly, see the desperate look on his face at the end there, when they show him looking towards Rey and she literally shuts the door in his face.
Kylo Ren lost the trust of both the First Order and any faith Rey had left in him at the end of the movie. Him being ousted from the FO and desperate for someone to give a shit is where that was headed.
TLJ gave us a perfect setup for him being on his own and desperate while the FO regrouped to finish off the Rebellion while they tried to rally allies to fight. He was set up to be a massive wildcard in the next movie.
No you don't understand, Star Wars is dead. JJ literally just broke into my house and killed my dog, how am I supposed to just watch TRoS now like that didn't happen?
It's frankly ridiculous. Sony fanboys are so adament in comparing everything to their precious exclusives that they're comparing Star Wars to Ghost of Tsushima.
Now that you say that, yeah, I do agree with you. However I think that I've been looking at this more from a marketer's point of view. A villain that is increasingly unstable and prone to brash recklessness is really interesting, but TLJ and TFA as is barely managed to set the danger that side of him holds and so a film marketed with Kylo Ren as the main villain will have everyone looking at him as the jobber that he usually is. It would be like trying to make Phasma into a threatening villain again, I doubt it would really work.
There's also the fact that The First Order, as a whole, has already done the kind of incredibly destructive shit that a "no-holds-barred" Kylo Ren may have done. They started their campaign destroying a solar system and in the last movie they pretty much entirely decimated the Resistance. What could Kylo Ren really do that would top those in terms of impact whilst still having the third act play out like a third act (as in not having the good guys nearly wiped out)?
Well maybe she should. Why else have a studio head, to come in and fire directors midway through? Star Wars needs someone in the George Lucas/Kevin Feige role to keep things cohesive.
I agree. The fault of this trilogy is ultimately upon Kathleen and the people in charge at Lucasfilm for not having a clear outline and allowing directors to write the story for them. It would work if it was one director for the whole trilogy, but they wanted to change it up in response to reactions as they went. They treated the IP like the typical disposable summer blockbuster and it shows.
I didn't say it was especially imaginative or original. I said it wasn't great, but it tried, and anything new that it tried to do was shat on. It gave us a new idea about the Force (anybody can use it), a character from the lower decks who wasn't part of this whole grand galactic saga thing (Rose), and a new, fresh and surprising take on Luke (aged, punished, grouchy but ultimately making up for his sins). Many fans didn't like these things, particularly the latter two (plus Rose is Asian and female, ew). Like I said, it wasn't great or particularly well-done, but it tried.
Also, not sure how anyone could read my post and think I was uncritically praising anything about these new movies, Last Jedi included, but hey, that's internet reading comprehension for you.
Any climactic clash between the light and dark shouldn't be resolved with a lightsaber duel anyway, IMO. I mean, sure, it can be a part of it, but there's gotta be more to it than that. That's why Rey beating Kylo never bothered me. Because that whole arc shouldn't be resolved with "who can outpower one another?"
Just a reminder that when actors say they had fun on set and loved being around each other when they couldn't on the last film or that JJ runs a more comfortable set, it doesn't always translate into better art.
To the gloating TLJ fans in this thread. JJ has always been a hack, TLJ is still an uninspired mess.
I wonder if any last minute scramble to counter program in theaters is gonna happen. I remember people enjoying Jumanji a lot at the same time TLJ went out and the numbers were super high (biggest Sony movie to that point I think?) and I'd imagine thats in part to people who wanted something different.
This Dec feels a bit weaker, we've got Frozen 2, Knives out, and (ironic) Jumanji 2 but those have all been out a few weeks now. The new movies for rest of the year are
Cats (Vader Noooooooooooooooooo)
Bombshell (the Fox News / Megyn Kelly movie)
Little Women
1917
nothing that really feels like people who may have seen Star Wars (a second time) would go see instead.
This Dec feels a bit weaker, we've got Frozen 2, Knives out, and (ironic) Jumanji 2 but those have all been out a few weeks now. The new movies for rest of the year are
Cats (Vader Noooooooooooooooooo)
Bombshell (the Fox News / Megyn Kelly movie)
Little Women
1917
nothing that really feels like people who may have seen Star Wars (a second time) would go see instead.