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The Rise of Skywalker Review Thread: The Sheev Saga Comes to a Close [No Spoilers] (Rottenwatch: 55%; 10% below AOTC) [SEE STAFF POST]
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Actually yes it is, Lucas himself has said in the past that Star Wars was intended to be a merchandise vehicle to raise funds for his next project.
It's why he retained the rights rather than taking a director's fee.
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Man I have a really hard time believing this could be worse than Attack of the Clones. That movie has some of the worst fucking dialogue.
It's universally loved because of the psychological underpinnings (Campbellian myth, jungian archetypes etc) but i wouldn't necessarily say it's emotionally revelatory or risky.
A whole lot of folks on era are seeming to do just that, riding the negativity train of some of the reviews.
Honestly it seems much more mixed than it does straight up negative, so we'll see over the course of the next few days as people start to actually see it for themselves.
I think that interpretation would work if it was a more private, personal face-off ala Obi-Wan vs Vader. The way it was, Luke got the big hero moment in front of everyone. It was the audience pleaser, the big show stopper, and even in universe it seems implied it inspired everyone, even children on backwoods planets. To me the new characters should have been that inspiration and Luke should have quietly stopped Kylo and faded away.
Can I ask when he said this? Lucas has changed his narrative based on what was going on with the franchise at the time. Maybe it started as that, but once the project got underway it's clear it was more than just a toy cash grab. These remakes were farmore of a nostalgia/cash grab than the originals. The force awakens was basically a new hope andagain a massive nostalgia grab.
I know you're being facetious but it would not surprise me at all if this is how it plays out.
With social media we have seen again and again that the loudest voice can force change even if the majority do not ask for it.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
What would you describe as "emotionally revelatory or risky?"
If you have Tickets than watch it, who knows you might end up enjoying it. Plus it's the ending to a Saga that alone makes it worth a watch even If you end up being disappointed by it.
This is just shocking lol. What a damn shame. A large part of thee criticism seems to be how it doesn't carry the torch forward from Last Jedi and that it mashes up too many stories into one. I wonder if it honors the characters well. Any word how Carrie Fisher was handled??
Exactly!!! Like it's possible I might hate the film but I'm going to give it a chance and the decide what I think especially since it's star wars.
We still got time. Maybe Disney will pull this at the last minute, apologize to Trevorrow and have let him make his Ep 9
They're the ones who go to see it 8 times and buy the action figures. (Kids don't want action figures anymore.)
I imagine the problem is less that there were too many of them...
And more that JJ himself was one of them.
Hell, as a Star Trek fan I liked ST 2009, despite its general Abrams-ness. But it became clear with Into Darkness that Abrams did not really get the soul of Star Trek at all.
I thought he'd be a far better fit for Star Wars, but his combination of control freak tendencies and a total lack of imagination has finally come to bear.
It's really time we moved away from the Skywalker saga.
Give me movies on The Old Republic and sequels that explore the unknown regions of space. Something that expands the universe.
Give me movies on The Old Republic and sequels that explore the unknown regions of space. Something that expands the universe.
I'm not really sure how people can say the minority. The last Jedi opened massively but made significantly less in the box office than TFA. It's pretty clear star wars fatigue has settled in hard. I'm not saying that's necessarily on TLJ, but word of mouth was BAD so it definitely contributed.
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No, you racist fuck.
I'm not saying it disrepect TFA, I'm saying it disrespected the basic idea of making a trilogy. You don't finish main arcs on you second movie.
look at the lord of the rings, back to the future, pirates of the caribean, star wars OT and the prequel. Even god father!
you don't finish main arcs. RJ killed Luke too soon. He killed the main villain too. What's worse, he didn't evolve Kilo enough to be a worse and fearful new villan.
He destroyed Finn character and he didn't develop Rey for her to be someone you would care about.
but the lack of time to questionthe storyboard and start the writing on the last movie is the main culprit. It's not Abrams or RJ fault. Ok, they have some to blain butit's impossible to write a good story in only one year. These directors neve were Star Wars fanatics to know everything about theSW lore.
I know the post-1999 mythologising of George Lucas as a visionary changed his tune, and people's perspective of him. But he was known to talk about how he wanted Star Wars to be a "Davy Crockett stlye phenomenon" to make money from. It wasn't until after the prequels he claimed he kept the rights to keep studio control away from his films.
It's interesting, but I didn't see the final shot that way. I took it as the Force being the way that kid had always picked up his broom, and the galaxy was so focused on the big family feud that it had blinded everyone to the idea - which was canon in the prequels - that the Force is everywhere.
Don't get me wrong, I understand that the Skywalker Saga is the crowd-pleaser - both in-universe and for fans of the films. It makes logical sense that the story would follow the most powerful / gifted Force users. But let's be real: we've done that story. Once, as a full arc, in the original trilogy. Once again as extra context in the prequels. And then again in The Force Awakens.
I feel like you and I are arguing for the same thing (a future for Star Wars that doesn't have to be anchored to the Skywalkers and their entourage and propelled by nostalgia) but I came out of The Last Jedi feeling as though the right groundwork had been laid for that to happen.
Star Wars was triumph of aesthetics, of using every cinematic trick available at the time and inventing new ones to create a new world which audiences escaped to. It was a risky endeavour because it scale and budget was unusual for the sci-fi material and pulpy tone it was going for at the time. I love the OT, they're some of my favourite movies and childhood memories but I don't understand this notion of it being emotionally revelatory or representing counter culture.
