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The Rise of Skywalker (2019) social media impressions
- Thread starter Cross-Section
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just going to ignore what you said about one of the greatest movie characters in history, Kylo Ren has a different role than Vader does. Kylo is billed as a co main character, not just the villain role. This trilogy is supposed to try to tell some dual main character story of characters that are two sides of a coin. We are following Kylo's story as much as we are following Rey where in the OT it's very much Luke's journey and Vader simply plays a villain role. For this reason all these very poor comparisons people like to make when making excuses for the poor character building of Kylo Ren does not work. Yeah Vader didn't have a backstory and it worked, because he was not the focus of the story, Kylo is half the focus of this story they are not in the same role.
he needs to be more dimensional and he is well acted but I don't see where is character is going. TLJ left us in the most boring possible place for his character while shutting down most of the interesting avenues his character could take with characters that would know him best.
This is true, but I think stories still benefit from coming from a cohesive source even if they're not planned out to the letter ahead of time. The difference between the sequel trilogy and something like Breaking Bad or what have you is that the sequel trilogy didn't really have a creative anchor all the way through. I think for future mainline films (whether they're trilogies or just standalone Big Movies from now on) Disney would really benefit from finding someone, or a writing team, who can stick it out as a guiding hand, even if radically different directors come and go.
MI3 is a really good movie. If ep9 is as good, I will be very happy.Can this movie have a lower RT than the 1st movie he directed?
RotJ is a solid 7,5/10. The good vastly overshadows the sluggish 2nd act and the emotional bits work great. Sebastian Shaw´s mini role as Vader is a revelation and Mark really comes into his own as an actor in that film. It would have been a fine, if slightly toyetic, end for the series. I don´t even hate the tolerable teddies.
The film got the worst Special Edition treatment though. That version is a real Maclunkey.
The film got the worst Special Edition treatment though. That version is a real Maclunkey.
As much as that is true that Lucas was concerned with selling toys...
He may not have been wrong about that.
If he didn't understand TLJ then I doubt Spiderverse connected... I've had similar convos about the latter "so why do you like it so much? the visuals are cool, but story is pretty standard superhero stuff".
...which isn't going to happen so the sentiment still holds true.
I hate how people can only interpret things in the most literal way possible.
Shitty "______ ending explained" videos and nitpicking Plothole bullshit have conditioned people to watch movies incorrectly
Probably, although he dealt with fan vitriol with Lost and Prometheus and that's what drove him away from Twitter... I think he's up for it, sequel to Watchmen was also sacred ground.
He's the second half of the story but he also serves as a villain, so the Vader comparison is totally valid. And you're critiquing the plot, not the character. The plot has been a fucking mess since the beginning but Ren has always been interesting due to his backstory, Adam Driver, and what motivates him as a character. The foundation is solid, so whatever the plot decides to do doesn't make him a "boring" character.
MI3 was the first legit good MI film. 7,5/10. Star Trek into Dumbness though, ho boi. I actually like the Star Wars-y 2009 reboot but dear lord. What a clusterfuck. How can you mess up Space Seed and WoK!?! 84% my ass.
No matter the issues with this movie, Colin's film would have been so much worse
When you say stuff like this, you do realize that Ep8 could have fleshed Snoke out to be a robust character right? One of the biggest reasons people hand wave Snoke as an uninteresting, nothing character is... because TLJ treated him as an uninteresting, nothing character.
It didn't have to be that way though. RJ could have written Snoke to be anything. I mean TFA ends with Rey going to Luke and Snoke calling Kylo to him to finish his training or whatever so my guess would be JJ had some master/pupil duality thing in mind. RJ could have easily made Snoke a much more important and fleshed out character if he wanted. He simply choose to go a different direction.
Fucking incessant whiners aren't fans.
There's a way to go about being disappointed or not totally loving something and annoying quippy memes and constantly shitting up discussions with the usual overly negative bullshit ain't it.
I can criticize any movie as much as the next guy, but I don't go out looking to complain about shit.
This guy at work basically talks about ST Star Wars daily and it's basically always negative. There's some shit I don't like but I don't rant about it fucking daily.
Everything's a meme, everything's hilarious, it's HILARIOUS when something SUCKS 🙄
"LAWL Star Wars" "lawl midi chlorians" "lawl high ground".
My attention isn't so deficit that I have to make cheap fucking memes about how HILARIOUS I think it is that something "sucks".
It's amazing that was his first movie, and Star Trek was his second.Can this movie have a lower RT than the 1st movie he directed?
Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom is a really bad movie, Colin Trevorrow's version of ep 9 I think would've been way worse than what we got.
Well, it being the least of the OT(2nd best to me) still makes it the 3rd best in the saga.
Watched this not too long ago. It's really quite good. Especially for directing a movie for the first time.Can this movie have a lower RT than the 1st movie he directed?
Agreed 100 percent. Basically their identity is wrapped up in pop culture so it's the only thing they know or have an interest in talking about.
Part of the issue is that JJ wasn't really thinking about what he could to to follow up TLJ as he wasn't going to be involved, so it wasn't until Disney fired Colin and brought back JJ that he had to come up with something.
Disney should have delayed the film: I don't understand why they felt such a need to stick to the deadline.
Disney should have delayed the film: I don't understand why they felt such a need to stick to the deadline.
Any character can be fleshed out to be interesting. Movies have a finite duration. One character getting fleshed out impedes on the development of other characters due to time limits.
Snoke served his purpose. That's the point. He didn't need fleshing out because he was not and is not the star of the show. He served his purpose as a one dimensional character filled with hubris, in service of the plotlines that Kylo and Rey were entangled in. That's all he needed to do in a two hour film.
I pretty much agreed with Bob on his views with TFA and TLJ, so I'll probably agree with him on this.
I fucking love this. It defines fandom better than anything I've seen.
This fanbase is the devil.
It pisses me off that a lot of these people somehow think they're BETTER or SMARTER than the thing they're shitting on. But they couldn't direct their way out of a box. I've dealt with shit like this personally where armchair critics who can't do shit themselves criticize something I've done. I had a "friend" talk shit about my art when they can't even do stick figures. I had this one sarcastic asshole try to quip about a piece of art I did for first semester art class and the teacher called him out for being a moron and that he couldn't do better so stfu (those weren't her words).
I'm not saying that's everybody, but those people definitely do exist. The dudes I talk to at work are those kind of people.
The toxic fandom would probably go into overdrive "STAR WARS 9 DELAYED, IGER IS DONE WITH KATHLEEN KENNEDY" etc