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The Rise of Skywalker (2019) social media impressions
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Palpatine was a rich dude who got away with doing what he wanted and took advantage of politics to gain power and re-establish the sith empire after executing order 66. The most interesting thing about Snoke was that he was from the unknown regions where you got lovecraftian shit around. But Snoke's origins and exposition are not very important to a plot featuring a main character and cast in general that doesn't give a fuck about where he came from but are focused on what the hell he's currently doing.
He probably never should've explained that because it is a much dumber explanation than what it could've been.
I never felt like Palpatine got to where he was by legitimate means tho.
I agree that The Unknown Regions are some of the most interesting things about Snoke. He even had a super cool, see where ever, telescope made by those dudes in purple robes.
I'm not saying Snoke is a more interesting character than Kylo, I'm saying he could have been used to make Kylo a more interesting character rather than be almost a joke. Snoke is the key to Ben's turn, everything Kylo is comes from Snoke, so why not explore that? Why remove it entirely from the series.
Also in terms of being menacing Kylo has the presence of a mouse. Snoke in the one scene he is actually present is far more scary than Kylo is in this entire series. He was commanding, he had presence. Throughout that one scene I felt actual fear for Rey, she finally had a worthy adversary, an overwhelming one. I don't fear for Rey when she is against Kylo Ren, hell I fear for Kylo Ren more lol. I do feel the series needs a proper villain and for the 5 minutes Andy Serkis was on screen he was killing it. That's said Palps is still king so I don't mind it in the long wrong.
This is correct, and also "canon" since I believe it came from an interview discussing TCW. The natural state of the force has no darkness. The dark side is a corruption of the force.
It's much less difficult to turn an angsty teenager against their parents than you think. Especially if they fight all the time and send him off to boot camp.
I gotta say, they really did a good job rebranding this trilogy into the end of the entire saga and Skywalker story in the 11th hour.
It only seemed to become about "ending the 40 year legacy" in the marketing of this 3rd film.
I am prepared to be disappointed.
It only seemed to become about "ending the 40 year legacy" in the marketing of this 3rd film.
I am prepared to be disappointed.
I don't really see it in this way. Snoke played a part but Kylo had other factors, as explored in 8, that made him shy away from the Jedi order.
The light vs dark side angle in Star Wars is utterly basic and not nearly nuanced enough for me to care for some of these cartoonish one note characters like Snoke.
I'll take a great performance by Adam Driver any day over some lame CGI puppet like Snoke.
He exploited the system and played two sides of a conflict to get to where he got but it's bit like Palpatine was going around doing mind tricks on all the politicians.
Because the immediate events are what's important. Not the past. Everything we need to know about Kylo and whatever mindset he's in is shown instead of told.
and that's what makes him so interesting as a character. We don't need an exposition dump to see his internal conflict. You're saying things like,
"he tore the most powerful family in the galaxy apart."
Like fam, the skywalkers are not the most powerful family in the galaxy lol. Leia didn't rule the new republic, Han came from nothing, and Luke was a farm boy who went on to create a jedi order completely isolated from the politics side of the galaxy. Kylo was young and impressionable, and felt like he was constantly being pulled to the dark as a result of his upbringing, (seriously there is no universe where Han and Leia would be legitimately great parents...). It was a perfect storm for Kylo to become manipulated and eventually radicalized.
We aren't supposed to be menaced by Kylo. That's literally the entire intention, he's not Vader, nor a replacement in the same way that the FO aren't a replacement for the empire.
Say what you will about Mr. Plinkett, but I think he was right that the film should've ended there.
He exploited the system and played two sides of a conflict to get to where he got but it's bit like Palpatine was going around doing mind tricks on all the politicians.
Because the immediate events are what's important. Not the past. Everything we need to know about Kylo and whatever mindset he's in is shown instead of told.
and that's what makes him so interesting as a character. We don't need an exposition dump to see his internal conflict.
We aren't supposed to be menaced by Kylo. That's literally the entire intention, he's not Vader, nor a replacement in the same way that the FO aren't a replacement for the empire.
so why do you find him interesting?
Palpatine mindtricking most of the government is exactly what I thought happened and used to rationalize his rise to power.
Sure he is. There is a mountain of difference between Andy Cerkis as Caesar and Andy Cerkis as Snoke.
One can hold up and elevate a trilogy of movies. The other serves as a great small show piece of hubris.
Having read most of the reactions, it sounds like JJ came through and managed to do the near impossible - he might have made movie that's worse than TLJ (based on all the plot leaks that was probably a safe bet).
It also seems that JJ really took inspiration from the old Leno joke in 2001 that Episode II would be called "Sorry about that last one".
It also seems that JJ really took inspiration from the old Leno joke in 2001 that Episode II would be called "Sorry about that last one".
Because he's actually a three dimensional character acted extremely well rather than a fucking bland masked enforcer like Vader was.
The only way they are even remotely going this route is because of Palpatine. He's the only link suddenly in all 9 films.
Can't decide what to do first when I wake up tomorrow. Watch the new Mandalorian episode or jump into the mosh pit that will be the review thread
Vader is just a bland enforcer now? The takes are getting spicyyyyyyy lol
Because it's interesting that instead of creating a character that attempts to emulate the coolness of Vader, essentially a toy for kids to call the best villain ever just by virtue of being evil and badass
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they instead created a character where the entire premise is about how a character like that fits into the SW story in the first place. Where their flaws and self doubt stem specifically from such comparisons inherently existing both inside and outside of the film's universe. This on top of his being an inverse of Luke. Where he is multiple times over tempted to do the right thing instead of the wrong. With choosing the wrong thing have dire consequences leading to even more extreme instances of self doubt and self hatred which makes him dangerous during the times where it becomes overwhelming and he lashes out at everything.
This becomes even more interesting when you consider Kylo's radicalization and compare it to the very real radicalization we see in young men today. Kylo is a villain for the modern age that the ST was written in. It also helps that Adam Driver absolutely nails all of the stellar material he's been given.
I should point out that the literal original intention was for Vader to essentially be the badass Empire attack dog. Things like him being redeemed and his being Luke's father came WAYYYYYY later during the writing process of the films where those specific things happened. Otherwise, Vader doesn't really have any sort of character arc or character development until ROTJ. He serves only as an obstacle for Luke, and that is exemplified by the fact that we know so little about him and ESPECIALLY not any discernible character flaws.
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A danish reviewer called it "JJ listened to the angry Star Wars fans and made a hollow and bad copy of Return of the Jedi"...
I havent seen it myself so cannot comment on whether this is true or not, but felt it was a interesting comment, given how boring and safe TFA was.
(And no I dont really think TLJ was a particularly good either)
I havent seen it myself so cannot comment on whether this is true or not, but felt it was a interesting comment, given how boring and safe TFA was.
(And no I dont really think TLJ was a particularly good either)
The most powerful family in the galaxy you say?
I mean, that's kind of what a lot of us expected. Hoping I'm wrong.
I mean, that's kind of what a lot of us expected. Hoping I'm wrong.
I will freak (in a positive way) if there is prequel stuff. I fucking love the prequels.
A bad copy of Return of the Jedi? That would suck, but I wouldn't really be surprised given that JJ made TFA a bad copy of A New Hope.
Yea nah, he just saw exploits in the system and used them to stoke conflict that would aid his career and eventually lead to his rise in power. It helps that everyone was really fucking stupid and couldn't tell that the guy wearing a hood who sounded very similar to the supreme chancellor was him. 🤦♂️
I think he was cooler when he was just a bland enforcer, before he made him a failed christ figure
I knew it! The prequel stank is what's bringing the reviews down 😉
Yeah pretty much.
As much as I didnt like TLJ, at least RJ wanted to say something with the movie and had ideas of his own.
It was a significantly more interesting movie then TFA.
He was actually talking about the Sith needing to be destroyed to bring balance to the force. He compared the Sith, and their desire to dominate the force (and each other, and everyone) to a cancer. Lucas said on multiple occasions that the force is neither good nor evil, but more like a yin and a yang. It's what evil people do with the force (those people being the Sith) that cause the imbalance that needed to be corrected.
There's a whole Reddit post going into all that stuff.
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So the movie should have ended on yet another cliffhanger... and with Luke not even doing the doppleganger stuff. boy.
So why the force sensitive kid in TLJ at the end? Why end with him? Are they gonna rise up against first order?
Some of y'all really want Kylo to have a redemption arc, huh?
Star Wars will always have some fight between good guys and bad guys. TLJ recontextualizes who these characters are in the new trilogy. The only status quo changed is everyone being tied to some destiny or fate. Turns out there is none. Luke thought he had the Jedi figured out and he failed, Rey thought she was some chosen one and she got the harsh truth, and Kylo had to wake up to being nothing but a tool instead of the next Vader. Different lessons were learned and Kylo decided he wants to kill everything tied to the past, not cherish it.
I don't know where you saw some fans complaining about TLJ being the same cuz all I mentioned is what I hear the most complain about, especially Rey not being a descendant from someone special.
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He's going to sweep up all the poo in the stables and fling it at the first order.
He is the everychild. The Force is democratized in a symbolic sense. Little children taking out the trash in Milwaukee feel they might be force sensitive maybe. Little Rian being forced to sweep.
That whole scene was meant to illustrate that the Force is for everybody, not just anointed chosen families.
If only there was a storytelling concept to explain the boy at the end of TLJ and what he represents.