my sincere sympathies, but there's a lot of popular activities that are inaccessible to people with various disabilities.
even staying in the realm of just video games, most video games are unplayable for the blind.
-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
The real reason VR and streaming wont break through: they're for first world people
- Thread starter Deleted member 227
- Start date
my sincere sympathies, but there's a lot of popular activities that are inaccessible to people with various disabilities.
even staying in the realm of just video games, most video games are unplayable for the blind.
If you can afford a current gen console and buy multiple games for it, you are already privileged.
As a person living in a 3rd world country I kinda agree regarding streaming. The speeds needed will pretty much never get to my country at a decent price unless some massive shit happens in the market.
OP
OP
User Banned (1 Day): Trolling over a series of posts.
Are we actually comparing the Adreno 540 for lightweight games with the actual hardware needed to run the games required to push it?
I didn't answer your question because it's moronic.
I never once compared it. You said VR headsets don't play games. The Quest does.
Sour grapes from people who dont have headsets or cant afford them. Not Valve's fault that there is this new medium that pushes boundaries, people aren't owed VR shit...its not a basic service or good like the government should provide.
Nah, what's moronic is the thread's premise because you clearly have no idea about how gaming works in non first world countries and what that means for a gaming product to succeed. You'd consider consoles to have mainstream adoption I presume. Well, they don't exist outside first world countries. you're just being condescending and using third world countries as some sort of argument winning rhetorical device even when you're wrong and it's really shitty to use poor countries as a shield simply because you don't like VR.
Are you actually moving goalposts? You never specified what kind of games they run in your sarcastic and uninformed reply.
ill tell ya them fancy new televisions will never take off!
theyre too expensive!
everyone likes their radios just fine, you get to use your imagination that way!
plus you cant watch the television while driving can ya
theyre too expensive!
everyone likes their radios just fine, you get to use your imagination that way!
plus you cant watch the television while driving can ya
OP
OP
Okay fine, it can run games. Does it change the point that it's not an actual replacement for a console though? It's still marketed for games that *actually* need to run on a PC/console.
Id argue all video games are first world products. None of its 'cheap' and never really has been, yet here we are
From the disingenuous nonsense about it tech demos in the OP it was clear from the beginning that this thread isn't for honest discussion on OP's part
Again, I never said it was. Yes, this comes at a premium. As someone posted in the thread, though, you can get an HP headset for around $150.
Have you tried steam remote play at all? Not trying to discount your experience, I'm just curious if it works on that sort of infrastructure.
It literally just gained the ability to connect to a PC to play PCVR games. Basically since it's launch it was marketed as a stand alone wireless VR headset with it's own game ecosystem.
OP
OP
This is how TVs started. They were a premium device. Same thing with cell phones. They were just for the rich and business men to begin with. Now it's a almost a necessity.
Not sure why streaming is lumped in to this. People have been streaming video games for decades now through things like flash games and html5. Which have dramatically lowered the barrier to entry than buying a 200 dollar plus console. Streaming video games, while nascent right now will be just as accessible as video.
I see two arguments in the OP, entry price and utility, but either of them fail to consign VR to a first world-only thing.
The entry price of VR is going to drop over time, as it drops for the majority of mass-manufactured technology products. Unlike streaming, VR does not require improvements in public infrastructure - it's a self-contained part for your PC.
I don't think you provided any strong reasons why people aren't ever going to need VR, so the utility argument is also invalid. Maybe time will eventually prove you right on this particular point, but the prospective killer apps are only starting to appear right now so it's a bit premature to dismiss the utility of VR the way you did.
The entry price of VR is going to drop over time, as it drops for the majority of mass-manufactured technology products. Unlike streaming, VR does not require improvements in public infrastructure - it's a self-contained part for your PC.
I don't think you provided any strong reasons why people aren't ever going to need VR, so the utility argument is also invalid. Maybe time will eventually prove you right on this particular point, but the prospective killer apps are only starting to appear right now so it's a bit premature to dismiss the utility of VR the way you did.
Last edited:
I don't know if this has changed, so please feel free to correct me if it has: https://www.gamezone.com/news/ps4-pro-heads-brazil-february-935-usd-r2999/
(PS4 pro costs nearly 1kin Brazil according to that article)
It is correct here in Argentina (a PS4 costs more than a capable VR headset, though I haven't tried to get a price on the Index, since they don't sell it here).
Except HDTV was a direct change to the quality of SDTV. VR is an another perspective of consuming games, not a better or worse version.
Sure. I'm just saying that it's pretty dumb that Valve is pushing VR so hard but they aren't even selling their own headset in some countries.
Also the Quest is $650 here. So fuck that.
OP
OP
The infrastructure required to actually make it pleasant and distribution of data centers isn't equal everywhere. It's true that the barrier to entry is low for it on paper, but it requires a lot of external factors to be in place.
I still don't understand how it's not. Oculus Quest is a 400$ machine that has its own ecosystem of games. It was marketed that way too.
Yeah, I paid US$670 to get it here (taxes, gotta love them, right!). It's still basically the same (or maybe even less) you'd pay for a PS4 here.
Google cardboard is the practical VR future for most people as it is super cheap for the hardware and works with existing phones. If anything, streaming games through a phone could be a entry point to get experiences that would otherwise be tethered to expensive hardware. Not as much of a selling point in the states, but once all the kinks are ironed out they will sweep through the rest of the world with it and that's why everyone wants in now.
Also Internet cafes are pretty prominent in countries outside of the first world and recently I've seen a lot of them convert into or include VR cafes. Maybe everyone won't own their own headset but VR is big in many countries and VR attractions/cafes are very popular.
The official is expensive, but everyone buy imported for much less
There was a PS4k (R$) joke when it was released lol
VR is on the way to being more affordable which is kind of what they're going for. Sony (in particular) is making continuous pushes to getting the PSVR price down and attractive with a continual stream of games. It's not going to happen overnight.
I do think VR on the PC is not in the affordable range for the majority of consumers currently.
I do think VR on the PC is not in the affordable range for the majority of consumers currently.
Let me replace a couple of words in that paragraph:
A console is just superfluous luxury. I'm sure people who threw money at it can write essay upon essays about how great it is, but that doesn't really change that it's a luxury that's low on the list of many people's priorities.
Hmmm, checks out. Once more:
A gaming PC is just superfluous luxury. I'm sure people who threw money at it can write essay upon essays about how great it is, but that doesn't really change that it's a luxury that's low on the list of many people's priorities.
Yep, sounds about right.
I see, thanks for the clarification. Just to get this out of the way, how much would a Quest, for instance, cost through an "unofficial" way?
OP, like 50% of people on Steam have VR capable machines.
You can get a HMD + controllers for $150 or $200.
Do you also factor the cost of the TV into the price of console gaming...? Uhuh. Spoilers, all of the gaming industry is for 'First World' people. The mobile market is where its at for the poor, for obvious reasons.
You can get a HMD + controllers for $150 or $200.
Do you also factor the cost of the TV into the price of console gaming...? Uhuh. Spoilers, all of the gaming industry is for 'First World' people. The mobile market is where its at for the poor, for obvious reasons.
OP
OP
This topic is so poorly thought out and is filled with so many moving goal posts that it borders on the side of out right trolling.
It can run certain games that are available on PC/console. Some of the biggest names in VR too.
Pistol Whip
Beat Saber
SUPERHOT VR
Vader Immortal (all episodes released so far)
The Climb (coming soon)
Espire 1 (coming soon?)
Cloudlands 2
A Fisherman's Tale (coming soon?)
Rec Room
SkyWorld
Vacation Simulator (coming soon)
Moss
Echo VR (coming soon)
And there's probably more.
I'm more of a console gamer myself so I wouldn't know much about the steam remote play service, let alone use it. I tried PS4 remote play to my phone one time though. The data drain was kinda unreasonable for me lol.
But I'm basing my post on what I see as recommended speeds for Stadia/xcloud even at 720p. A connection with a consistent down speed of about 10mb/s(that's recommended for these streaming services, iirc) or more is considered to be among higher end connections in my country with unlimited packages or even packages above 5gigs a month are priced way too high even for a person like me who's kinda privileged. They're pretty much used by only the super wealthy or upper class businesses. And it doesn't look like other service providers will show up anytime soon with good enough packages for streaming to become adopted by even a small minority of gamers in the country
LIke smartphones, right? Dont kid yourself OP. These things have a way of getting to the World's masses quickly. Hell, couldn't you make the same argument about Nintendo Switch? Or all consoles period, really? The masses in India and China not snapping those up. Yet last I checked the Switch is still regarded as the most successful product ever, right?
Yeah, most of the worlds people will or do have access to good internet. Period. Capitalism is a crazy fulcrum.
Now VR I'd tend to agree, CURRENTLY (may not hold true in future). Because VR is a niche even the first world, with a powerful PC and an expensive headset required (minus Quest maybe, with is still 400, speaking mainly to HL Alyx)
Yeah, most of the worlds people will or do have access to good internet. Period. Capitalism is a crazy fulcrum.
Now VR I'd tend to agree, CURRENTLY (may not hold true in future). Because VR is a niche even the first world, with a powerful PC and an expensive headset required (minus Quest maybe, with is still 400, speaking mainly to HL Alyx)
Last edited:
Well, what can I say to fellow 3rd worlders... Sucks to be us.
It's no use to complain, though. All we can do is wait for technology to work it's wonders and get cheaper.
I will even allow myself to be picky: I have a serious problem with how the WMR headsets lose tracking of the controllers if you just lower your hands. So I will wait for something even better.
Meanwhile, thanks Sony, for officially launching the PSVR in Brazil, making it the only affordable VR set (even if only in a good sale).
It's no use to complain, though. All we can do is wait for technology to work it's wonders and get cheaper.
I will even allow myself to be picky: I have a serious problem with how the WMR headsets lose tracking of the controllers if you just lower your hands. So I will wait for something even better.
Meanwhile, thanks Sony, for officially launching the PSVR in Brazil, making it the only affordable VR set (even if only in a good sale).
This sentiment can be made for most every fledgling technology. It all starts niche and expensive.
Are you near a blackhole where your days are like 10-15 months for everyone else?
People have answered you before the post that you quoted. I was going to engage but honestly you're not arguing in good faith, your premise is busted from the outset and I'm not sure if you know much about VR at all 🤷🏾♂️
Why would anyone waste any time educating you? Except for the amusement of seeing you move the goalposts yet again, I guess.
I've tried to point out that a topic about gaming in non first world countries is hilariously ignorant about the status of gaming in said countries but OP called me moronic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Even if i had all the money in the world its just not for me. I want to sit back with a control or kb/m , I dont want to be wearing some brick on my face sweating out and being sick, swinging about the room like some crusader. Also whats up with this floaty hand shit in Vr games can someone explain the reason theres no arms ?
I somewhat agree with OP. I think the point is that as a gamer, we already have our preferred console or PC. Not all gamers can afford two or more gaming device.
If I had to choose between a PC, a console, or a VR device, it would either a PC or a console. And common people would prioritize gaming phones than a VR device.
I don't know why people are posting snarky replies here. There's a reason on why VR is not flying off the shelves. OP listed one of them and people feel like they are attacked or something.
I would also love to have a VR device someday, but that is on the very bottom of my priority in terms of my gaming hobby.
If I had to choose between a PC, a console, or a VR device, it would either a PC or a console. And common people would prioritize gaming phones than a VR device.
I don't know why people are posting snarky replies here. There's a reason on why VR is not flying off the shelves. OP listed one of them and people feel like they are attacked or something.
I would also love to have a VR device someday, but that is on the very bottom of my priority in terms of my gaming hobby.