I can only hope you're wrong.
I don't have Epic's launcher installed anymore, so you can be sure they won't get a single cent from me. I don't even want their free stuff anymore.
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The Problems With The Epic Store (The Jimquisition)
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I can only hope you're wrong.
I don't have Epic's launcher installed anymore, so you can be sure they won't get a single cent from me. I don't even want their free stuff anymore.
Xbox Live Gold on GFWL.
Paid mods on Steam.
Heck, Xbox One change of policy was because of a potential boycott.
Otherwise, review bombing also has shown some great results.
Yeah, same goes for the loot box Star Wars shitshow of 2017
Whatever you think of the MW2 pic that boycott didn't work, and I can't think think of any that have
The EGS is unlikely to be toppled by people boycotting them
which is a pretty dumb assumption. Plenty of games out there to play.
I think most people had to tell him that steam having shit curation is not mutually exclusive from Epic being an underhanded slimy company.
Its very odd how quickly he'll shift away from his pro-consumer stances just because steam has a competitor now.
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Yeah, i watched it and it was the weaker Jimquisition in recent memory.
Uncharacteristically for Sterling, this video seems the product of low effort.
I hope he ll get the issue better next time.
Uncharacteristically for Sterling, this video seems the product of low effort.
I hope he ll get the issue better next time.
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One big issue was not mentioned at all, and that's third party key sites that sell keys for games in these launchers. Epic games can only be bought from the Epic store, unlike every other launcher. Steam allows the creation of keys that Valve takes a 0% cut from, and lets developers sell them on their own.
You can buy Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 2 from Paradox store and you will get it on Steam anyway (and also Paradox's own launcher), but Paradox gets 100% of the money instead of 70% of the money. You can buy Shovel Knight from their own website and they'll get 95% of the money (they're using Humble Widget so 5% to Humble) instead of 70% of the money.
And for many other games you can easily find good pre-order sales outside the launcher's own store. But not for Epic. They don't allow anyone other than Humble that they announced a deal with. The existence of such a "deal" is the problem.
You can buy Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 2 from Paradox store and you will get it on Steam anyway (and also Paradox's own launcher), but Paradox gets 100% of the money instead of 70% of the money. You can buy Shovel Knight from their own website and they'll get 95% of the money (they're using Humble Widget so 5% to Humble) instead of 70% of the money.
And for many other games you can easily find good pre-order sales outside the launcher's own store. But not for Epic. They don't allow anyone other than Humble that they announced a deal with. The existence of such a "deal" is the problem.
Yeah those are some good points actually
That said I'm not sure how you can review bomb a game on a store that doesn't have reviews :/
I was about to adress that indeed.
The idea that they have a "deal with Humble Bundle" to sell keys is fuckin hilarious and dangerous.
Imagine if you needed Steam to allow which websites can sell keys and which cannot.
That's the whole point. No reviews, no forums. The idea here for Epic is double:
1. As opposed to Valve's "laissez-faire" approach (god I hate this expression) Epic is taking a "Ne rien faire" approach. Basically, there's no review issues if there's no reviews.
2. Silencing customers by putting ways to express as far as possible from the game store page. When you see complaints on the store page right next to the buy button, it's far more effective than a lost thread on Reddit.
We see that way of arguing things in many topics : "I'm not saying lootbox/paid online/no easy crossplatform/etc... is ok.... but let me tell you why they do it.." let's make no mistake, people who complain about those things know why it's done, this is just people way of defending those shit without putting themself as a target.
? Call of Duty got less and less popular on PC, and they caved in and brought back dedicated servers on MW3. Seems to have worked fine?
Generally a fan of Jim's work but I found this video incredibly disappointing. Steam's end-user advantage isn't about achievements and a news feed in the games library, wtf? It's about shit like Proton, their stellar gamepad support, the integration of Steam Link and how flexible it is (I only use it for remote input and am free to disable both the video and audio streams while doing so, which is amazing - the Steam Link actually supports certain gamepads better than Windows + Steam does!?!?!?) not to mention providing dedicated servers via Steamworks.
I could go on and on but Jim brought none of this up and talked more about brand loyalty and shit, as if people like me have any respect for corporations to begin with. Fuck Valve. Fuck Epic. Just provide the best platform for playing my games, thank you. I don't see Epic ever doing that because they are not in this for creating a stable PC gaming ecosystem, as seen with them throwing heaps of money on exclusivity rather than (potentially open source) feature development right from the get go. That won't change. They have shown where their priorities lie and I am inclined to believe them.
Sorry Jim, but you really need to reconsider your views on this as a whole.
(Lol at bringing up the long since debunked MW2 boycott image. Come on ffs.)
Why would you assume this? I have plenty of games to play. I can play only DMC5 for 10 years and still be more than satisfied with my gaming. I have thousands of retro games I could enjoy instead of whatever exclusives Epic snags up. Some of us aren't particularly desperate for the hot new thing (tm).
I could go on and on but Jim brought none of this up and talked more about brand loyalty and shit, as if people like me have any respect for corporations to begin with. Fuck Valve. Fuck Epic. Just provide the best platform for playing my games, thank you. I don't see Epic ever doing that because they are not in this for creating a stable PC gaming ecosystem, as seen with them throwing heaps of money on exclusivity rather than (potentially open source) feature development right from the get go. That won't change. They have shown where their priorities lie and I am inclined to believe them.
Sorry Jim, but you really need to reconsider your views on this as a whole.
(Lol at bringing up the long since debunked MW2 boycott image. Come on ffs.)
Why would you assume this? I have plenty of games to play. I can play only DMC5 for 10 years and still be more than satisfied with my gaming. I have thousands of retro games I could enjoy instead of whatever exclusives Epic snags up. Some of us aren't particularly desperate for the hot new thing (tm).
People really underestimate how big Steam (and PC gaming in general) has become. There were a lot of games back then, sure, but the selection now is just fucking insane.
Also, I love how people like to omit that COD4 was THE game everyone had to play back then. Skipping MW2 was unthinkable to many people.
Well you can believe that in practice, another storefront being a large player in the market is probably long term going to be a good thing, as it means they need to compete with each other
So while Epic have done a lot of shitty things, if they stop the money hatting, then potentially in 5-10 years time we could have two decent stores fighting over who has the best features and prices, which is better for the consumer
Exploitative lootboxes were always going to be a net negative
That said, that's giving Epic a lot of leeway, but realistically if anyone is going to build another huge store it needs to be someone with tons of cash
I'm not happy with how Epic have gone abount things, and don't have much faith they'll turn it around, but I feel like money hatting games is probably going to fast track them to a percentage of the market faster then any other means would
It's a sad situation all around
implying sterling cares what a bunch of nobodies to him think
just finished watching. It's amazing how little effort or research Jim puts into his videos, holy shit. Fucking 20 minutes and couldn't be arsed to mention even the most basic of things. Really telling I guess, just gotta crap out a shitty video to capitalize on anti-Epic store sentiment.
He clearly did, which is why he crapped out such a bad, rushed video to capitalize on it.
I had a look but couldn't find any statistics, did MW2 sell fewer copies on Steam than MW1?
Did MW3 sell more copies than MW2 after they reintroduced dedicated servers?
this is why I unsubscribed from him over a year ago. dude's a hack.
How about I'm never installing the POS that is the Epic Game Store no matter what... If I buy any of the games that have dealt with the devil, it will be used on consoles so the publishers don't see a dime from me, maybe I'll buy Obsidian's RPG on Microsoft Store since I like all my RPGs on PC. I'll still possibly buy Ubisoft games on Uplay like I have always done with a 12-20% discount at launch from GMG, CDKeys, etc unless they do a deal like the Division 2 where Uplay keys are removed from other stores, then fuck Ubisoft, used games it is. PC is my preferred platform, but I don't have to play them there and I don't have to buy games new either if I start primarily using Switch and PS4 Pro.
If you're publishing a big title with a lot of hype behind it, then you've pretty much got guaranteed revenue regardless. At that point, with a game like Metro, it becomes a question of "how much is Epic offering?", "how many sales do we expect to lose by skipping Steam?", etc. I don't think it's always as clear-cut as you're making it out to be . There will be scenarios, at least in theory, where this kind of offer won't be worth it for the dev/publisher.
Valve is a soulless organization. The fact so many people go to bat for them is really misguided. They're the Apple of PC gaming. Resting on their laurels for years because they were innovative years and years ago.
After MW2 the series started dropping more and more. The bridges were burned.
As I said before, if the market wont accept you unless you force your way, then it means you bring nothing to said market and your presence isn't necessary. Epic isn't owed a market share.
I mean, hoping that in 5-10 years, Epic becomes good is a far fetched thing to bet on. If it works by playing it dirty, why stop here ?
What's the incentive for Epic to then try to improve ?
They just made 95% of the Windows Library compatible with Linux with a single click in 2018. They just announced free dedicated servers for all devs (just a reminder that you pay an online paywall for P2P online).
I guess you don't need to subscribe to him when you watch his videos on Era anyway
actually, this was the first video of him i watched in a while because I'm morbidly curious.
Except they constantly improve their client and add features that improve QoL for PC gamers. But, you need to play on PC to know that.
The lack of understanding of nuance seems par for the course here.
I'm not hoping they improve in 5-10 years, I was explaining how hypothetically someone can believe another store front gaining market share could be a benefit to customers over time
I don't think this will be the case with Epic specially, as they've not given me any indication they'll make things better long term
I don't know what to tell you regarding your first point, I mean, that's capitalism. You take capital and you try and turn it into more capital, if you make money then by the rules of capitalism you deserve to be there, if you don't then you don't. So we'll have to see how the EGS does financially over the coming years
Ugh.
Yeah, COD is completely fucked on PC because of what they pulled with MW2. Blops 4 is deaddeaddead.
Nope. We'll probably never get any.
Probably because it's very likely Steam preorders alone managed to outsell the Epic Store version.
Yeah I've heard of Wine, just like a lot of 'recent' Valve projects, we'll see how it goes.
Yes only non PC gamers criticize Valve...
Ugh is how I feel about them and their propensity to not comment on utter shit that is on their platform. This is what I'm talking about, I call them a soulless organization, like every other gaming company by the way, and the rush of people flock to defend them with irrelevant stuff. Or in your case, a single word. Like why? Genuinely I have no clue, except it's rampant everywhere.
We'll see how it goes?
It's here already, and is pretty damn impressive.
The funniest shit is that people think that we're defending Steam/Valve. Nah bro, we're attacking a product that is taking options from our control.
If Epic had done their homework, and have feature parity with Steam ('but Steam is 15 year old' is not an excuse. Precisely because Steam is old and Epic made of money we should put Steam as the bare minimum, hell even Origin should be THE bare minimum), everyone here would be chanting praise for it. But they didnt and they want to foce a product on us, fuck them.
we are already seeing how it goes. Extremely impressive and the complete opposite of resting on laurels. They've done more to improve PC gaming than any other company in the business. They've pumped out great features more than any platform holder out there. They are the ones in the PC space actually significantly improving their client year after year while others are barely different from the yer they released.
I'd bet the 'boycott' didn't even make a dent in the sales as most people that buy games don't care. We will probably never know though.
You mean like the Steam Controller API that keeps being updated over and over ? Or Steam Link that got on Android and also an "Anywhere" mode ?
Btw Proton is part of them pushing for SteamOS. :-)
Nah. They would have released actual numbers if it "didn't even make a dent in sales".
Why are you being dishonest? a quick google search would show you that you are wrong.
For example steam has added in the last few years:
- controller support
- BPM
- steam broadcast
- family sharing
- steam link
Have they release figures for all the other games on the Epics store?
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I'm glad you like it? Not sure what you want me to say. Valve sucks, Epic sucks, Sony sucks, Microsoft sucks, Nintendo sucks. The pro-corporation nonsense that pervades this forum is gross. Arguing about who is the second or third worst is pretty silly.
Being dishonest? I'm simply tired of the pro-Valve nonsense that is everywhere. No one owes any of these companies anything just because 10 years ago they started something cool. Not to mention something like BPM came out like eight years ago. I'm not going to argue with you about the extent of their innovation, we obviously don't agree but I'm just pushing how dumb it is that this console wars nonsense has now gone into PC gaming. PC gaming has enough problems with its PC Master Race horrible shit to now have yet another thing.
Dude, Proton has been out for over 6 months already. There isn't a single Linux gamer in existence which doesn't believe it has revolutionised Linux gaming, and the LinuxEra community here basically only talk about it.
And it's all open source and available for anyone to use, even their competitors if they wish.
It's been amazing
You're missing nuances, a lot: the question is who sucks less.
That has literally nothing to do with your statements of them not being "innovative" and "resting on their laurels". People are challenging you on that statement, not on the dumb "soulless" stuff. Can you stop trying to deflect?