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The Power of Gamepass - All those PS5 games look great but I would have to buy them.
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Same. I've had 4 months of Game Pass now and not even completed a game. I go in certain I'll be getting value but then I just end up dropping stuff really quickly.
It means that they're not hemorrhaging money from it but it also doesn't necessarily mean it's profitable. It could very well be a money loser but other revenue streams can cover for it. At the end of the day, we won't know if it's profitable unless they explicitly say so.My English is not native, but what would "sustainable business model" mean?
Why do you think I'm singling out Gears 5? I'm giving it as an example of how it didnt boost sales. It didn't even hit the top 10 of games sold on Xbox One and it's one of their biggest IPs.
There are only a select few games that I will play through again so I am all for a subscription service saving me money. The same way I'd rather pay monthly to watch Netflix shows instead of $40 for a season of a show that I will most likely never watch again unless it's Game of Throne quality. I'd pay $60 for something like Elden Ring but those kind of games are few and far between compared to the 7/10 games that I won't touch again. Game Pass is great for that.
Once MS' new studios are all firing on all cylinders and all their games are day 1 on GamePass, its gonna be a huge deal.
I feel the same way! I need that PS5 for the exclusives but I can wait a couple of years until a good bunch of games I want come out. In the meantime I can get an Xbox and use that gamepass sub I have prepaid for 2 more years. I'll definitely keep gamepass going though, it's really good.
What's crazy is how good this strategy is for Microsoft. I skipped the Xbox One but now they have me again.
Sometimes it just depends on the game. Epic/Tim said it's free game offerings on EGS also lead to more sales. It probably doesn't mean every game gets more sales.
The games stay in the service for so long that it kind of is your problem if you didn't take the time to play it. And you always have the choice of buying. This isn't about replacing, it's all about options. Just like I have Netflix and still buy movies.
Not sure what this is tryin to convey but I will be purchasing The Last of Us 2 on sale whenever that happens as I did the original. Got a lot on my play as it is. Would be even cooler if I could reasonably wait for it to pop up on a Sony service Im paying for.
Yep. PS vue was a failure and they had to shut it down. PSnow they had to drastically change it to offer downloads, more recent games. Before that they only subscriber numbers were pitiful. Its doing better but pales significantly to game pass. Game pass is the standard right now.
Game Pass is awesome and is still enough of a factor to make the Series X desirable to me. It was operating these last couple of months as the system selling factor for me and had me pretty convinced that the Series X would be my at-launch pick for 2020.
However, I am a huge fan of PlayStation exclusives and internally determined that if Sony got a Spidey, Gran Turismo, or Horizon follow up at or near launch, that would absolutely change my mind toward a PS5. All three were announced to my pleasure, with Spidey coming out this year. That's all it took for me. I know they didn't set a release date, but Demon's Souls is winning me over too, and I have a gut feeling it'll come out sometime in the first half of 2021.
I'll still get Series X later and Game Pass will be the biggest reason why, but I value the PlayStation portfolio way more personally.
However, I am a huge fan of PlayStation exclusives and internally determined that if Sony got a Spidey, Gran Turismo, or Horizon follow up at or near launch, that would absolutely change my mind toward a PS5. All three were announced to my pleasure, with Spidey coming out this year. That's all it took for me. I know they didn't set a release date, but Demon's Souls is winning me over too, and I have a gut feeling it'll come out sometime in the first half of 2021.
I'll still get Series X later and Game Pass will be the biggest reason why, but I value the PlayStation portfolio way more personally.
I've heard some say they got GP for $1 for 3 years or some such. What is the normal monthly price for GP?
It would cost Sony or Nintendo much more to run a service like that though. Sony even partnered with ms for their services.
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Game pass is literally just downloading games from a store something they already do with digital purchases in general and PS Now
Where's the petition.
Seriously, ....uh yeah OP. Thats usually the plan. Buy the product.
Gamepass is great for what it offers tho. More power to MS and other companies if they decide to go that route.
I got Crackdown 3 a few months ago. Didnt sub to Gamepass to even test it first. So I guess it really just comes down to the individual.
I'm already what both of them are looking for in a consumer: I'm basically all digital now. Subscription services tho? I tried EA Access when I first got the One S. And it was great, games available, no extra money out of pocket. Its just something i cant get behind on a regular basis, unless it was the only option available on the platform.
I think both MS and Sony need to consolidate their services. IMHO....Gamepass is redundant with Games with Gold. Why the separate service when they could have just expanded Games with Gold? I see they are trying to do that now, but one of their services might need to go for it to be a real value.
Will be interesting to see how each company tweaks their services for next gen.
Even worse, their games never see price drops & good luck when it comes to sales.
Yea,GamePass is great value....but it does not devalue the competitions offerings,because they both make too many incredible games you simply can't play on Xbox.
You have to check your math again. Nintendo "only" made $12 billion a year, from hardware and software sales + all the royalties and cut from e-shop
Game Pass is a lot more than first party titles, but if that's the focus of the conversation it's pretty simple: people are willing to pay for Sony's exclusives, to get consoles for Sony's exclusives. It has been since the first half of the Xbox 360 that I think the same can be broadly said for Microsoft, so instead they are selling them on Game Pass.
Or, and again this if if you are focusing on exclusives, ask yourself: would you prefer to pay $300ish during the generation for Microsoft's exclusives or three times that for Sony's? For some the savings is worth it. For many, like myself, I value stuff like Uncharted, God of War, The Last of Us, Spider-Man, Bloodborne, etc. more even though I am going to pay more.
Plus it's nice to "own" my games when possible.
Or, and again this if if you are focusing on exclusives, ask yourself: would you prefer to pay $300ish during the generation for Microsoft's exclusives or three times that for Sony's? For some the savings is worth it. For many, like myself, I value stuff like Uncharted, God of War, The Last of Us, Spider-Man, Bloodborne, etc. more even though I am going to pay more.
Plus it's nice to "own" my games when possible.
Gamepass is great and all but the fact that some games go away and arent permanent is a bit eh for me.
I had Gamepass due getting a new PC and the only reason why I started using it was for the MS first party games Gears of War 1 and 4.
I'd prefer buying them specifically on Steam.
I had Gamepass due getting a new PC and the only reason why I started using it was for the MS first party games Gears of War 1 and 4.
I'd prefer buying them specifically on Steam.
Buying physical and reselling later is exactly how devs get less money
Phil Spencer will know better than me, so I can't argue against that. But I still maintain that there will be very intelligent people at both Sony and Nintendo crunching the numbers and, presumably, they've come to a different conclusion. At the moment.
100%, especially when we'll have to subscribe to various companies to be able to play certain games.
It means you have to pay full price for quality, excellence and AAA experience.
I would never say such a thing?!
I think the iPhone SE is a great example of how value can deviate from just being cheap stuff, its got a pretty bad screen, the form factor is that of a 2 year old phone, but its iOS and a very very very powerful chip for $400
For some, they only need the last two, for others (like me) I want an effective screen and I greatly enjoy stock Android.
So yeah, for some people, the fact the PS5 allows them to play a Sackboy platformer might be enough (legit does look good that game), some people might look at Lockhart + game pass + the monthly payment plan and leap in because the barrier for entry is so low a new hardware launch.
I only have a limited time & energy for games. I like to boutique shop the best titles as they release instead of subscribing to a small subset of games. Netflix works because it's 30-90 minute passive experiences.
I've been using GameFly since 360 days and I love it. Game pass is good for consumers but bad for MS especially when it comes to marketing and sales. Remember when MS used to boast about incredible Halo launch numbers. They can no longer do that with GamePass. Online activity is not the same as sales numbers.
See, this is perfectly agreeable. It's fine to prefer certain ecosystems or games and choose your preferences of hardware based on them. Your favourites include Gran Turismo and Spiderman. Those will not be on Xbox, so even if all their games were free you'd still not get those you wanted the most.
But then half the thread is worrying about Microsoft's finances, concern trolling about devs' sustainability and devaluing games, as if devs or publishers were forced to sign deals for Game Pass (or PS Now, for that matter). Games are always gonna be the main factor, and if you love franchises like Gears or Ori, Game Pass allows you to get them ridiculously cheap day one. OP would like a similar option for PlayStation but as for now it does not exist.
So it is a working model that fits Microsoft because their other revenue streams? So maybe therefore Sony and Nintendo "cannot" do it or won't do it.. they don't have the same financial possibilities to do it?
Hmm.. we are then back at Schrödingers war chest..(sometimes Xbox has access to it, sometimes not)
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IN a year the last of us 2 will probably be on sale somewhere for 10 dollars. I know that's how I got spiderman at that price a year after launch.
A lot of valid points. come launch day many XSX and Lockhart owners will only need to buy the consoles cos that's all they'll need and I bet towards launch MS will go in big time on GP towards announcing a couple of AAA 3P titles launching into the service day one too. It's going to be interesting.
Game Pass certainly forced Sony to adapt. Their PS Now service is far behind in subscription number and is not expanding quick enough. However PlayStation has 40 million Plus subscriber giving them $5 a month just for playing online. If they can combine Plus and Now for $10 a month and include 1st party games 3 months after release, that would be a GP killer.
Yeah, I can see plenty of potential buyers weighing things up like this. There are games I'd buy blindly like Spiderman, but others where I'd like to try but not be willing to fork over $60 (not a fan of R&C but happy to try it, but would not risk losing money over it), sub model fixes that by converting curiosity into engagement, and potentially grow I.Ps .
Your entire OP is literally based on the premise you no longer want to pay for most PS5 games because of Game Pass. How's that not devaluing them in your mind?
I actually think games like Concrete Genie will benefit from subscription service. More people will play it than now.
Are we going to act as if Sea of Thieves a 2 year old game hasn't sold 500k at 40$ in 11 days? If a Microsoft game as Gears 5 hasn't sell well, it's because it lack of quality and not because MS games doesn't sell well lol.
PD: 500k only on Steam, if i remember well Rare said that the half of the Sea of Thieves player base has buy the game, that like 5 millions copies (10 millions player base).
PD: 500k only on Steam, if i remember well Rare said that the half of the Sea of Thieves player base has buy the game, that like 5 millions copies (10 millions player base).
Threads like this is the reason why I'm glad I did not go into game development...despite majoring in design and programming in school and created a few simple games during my past time.
I now works in a bank IT dept doing mundane infrastructure work but earning 6figures per annum. I'll be probably living in a dumpster rental room if I went into indie development route.
I'm glad OP convinced my choice is right.
I now works in a bank IT dept doing mundane infrastructure work but earning 6figures per annum. I'll be probably living in a dumpster rental room if I went into indie development route.
I'm glad OP convinced my choice is right.
We have access to "free" games on Game Pass, PS+, Epic game store. Tons of sales on all platforms from Steam to the e-shop where games are dirt cheap. Bundles like the recent itch.io bundle give you literally over 1200 games for a couple of bucks
Quantity of games I can play for cheap is at the bottom of my list of priorities. There's enough to play for free/cheap. Time is much more valuable to the vast majority of gamers these days when the amount of game content always outweighs the time you can spend on it at any given time.
Luckily quality is on all these platforms mentioned as well, so the only deciding factor is my own taste.
Quantity of games I can play for cheap is at the bottom of my list of priorities. There's enough to play for free/cheap. Time is much more valuable to the vast majority of gamers these days when the amount of game content always outweighs the time you can spend on it at any given time.
Luckily quality is on all these platforms mentioned as well, so the only deciding factor is my own taste.
Sony's and Nintendo products and market share are also different from MS ones, so different situation---> different numbers--->different conclusion.
Okay but the quality of Microsoft first party hasn't really been great other than forza horizon, it's been pretty underwhelming for a while now and that's why they have gamepass. Gamepass is a good service but it's definitely not the game changer some are passing it off as
You could also buy DLC without buying the main game. That's one of the better ways of getting the game cheap with GP but also supporting the devs AND getting more content.