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Razer Game Store is dead, who should go next?

  • Epic Store

    Votes: 261 38.8%
  • Windows Store

    Votes: 156 23.2%
  • Bethesda.Net

    Votes: 180 26.8%
  • Origin

    Votes: 25 3.7%
  • PSN

    Votes: 50 7.4%

  • Total voters
    672
  • Poll closed .
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matimeo

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It's mind blowing that people still think this. THQ was literally disolved and everything they owned sold off to paid debts. They no longer exist, they didn't come crawl back from death, they are long gone.

There's this European company called Nordic, known for publishing tons and tons of shovelware over the years. They bought many of the THQ properties and then rebranded themselves after the latter. They are the company that just keeps buying tons of minor/obscure IPs and studios without a proper plan on what to do with them. They are the company that put out a port of a Nintendo DS game on the PS4 that managed to run worse than on the original ARM CPU from the early 00's. They are the company that put out Darksiders 3 and some awful remakes of the originals. And now they are doing an AMA on 8chan.

But I guess that's the power of a name. They are called THQ Nordic, and someone who doesn't pay enough attention will think they are the old THQ from back when.


As someone who used to work for THQ thank you lol.

Also why the extreme backlash towards the whole company for the actions of a few? Just curious.

Titles mean not as much as you think these days. It's kind of like going the district manager at McDonalds sucks so all the employees are trash too. I doubt the entire company and clients they have as developers who are even further removed voted on it lol.

To be fair my bosses would have no idea what that that site meant. Means nothing to them.

Seems like someone messed up , thought they were being hip then the company has to decide to throw that person over the boat ala Orth or release a shutdown statement ala Satya (hololens petition) . Either way it's damage control time.

Every company has a few people who somehow get in PR and marketing roles and they just do not represent the majority at all. It's super frustrating for the majority who are just trying to do their job.
 

Chance Hale

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I didn't remember the Elite Knight armor in Dark Souls 1nhaving so much clinking and clanking whenever you move. Driving me up the wall.
 
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As someone who used to work for THQ thank you lol.

Also why the extreme backlash towards the whole company for the actions of a few? Just curious.

Titles mean not as much as you think these days. It's kind of like going the district manager at McDonalds sucks so all the employees are trash too. I doubt the entire company and clients they have as developers who are even further removed voted on it lol.

To be fair my bosses would have no idea what that that site meant. Means nothing to them.

Seems like someone messed up , thought they were being hip then the company has to decide to throw that person over the boat ala Orth or release a shutdown statement ala Satya (hololens petition) . Either way it's damage control time.

Every company has a few people who somehow get in PR and marketing roles and they just do not represent the majority at all. It's super frustrating for the majority who are just trying to do their job.
Because those few include important people at the company, like Reinhard Pollice. It's not just lowly employees.
Reinhard Pollice
Director of business and production development, employed 2011

Holdings in the Company: As of the date of the Prospectus, Reinhard Pollice holds, through companies, 115,681 class A shares and 655,524 class B shares in THQ Nordic AB (publ).
 

devSin

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Oct 27, 2017
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As someone who used to work for THQ thank you lol.

Also why the extreme backlash towards the whole company for the actions of a few? Just curious.
The "few" being the marketing director and the business and development director (basically the GM)... and you can't see why it's a big deal?

You don't think it's a big deal that the person who runs the business makes a joking reply to a "Cease Your Faggotry" meme saying that it could be something out of one of their upcoming games? You don't think it's a big deal that they show up to a place that openly promotes child pornography, get greeted by "Heil Hitler!", get buffeted by racist and homophobic slurs and continue to engage and jest like they fit in just fine? You don't think it's a big deal when the person responsible for the entire company's PR vows to keep "social justice" messaging out of their games? You don't think it's a big deal that they knowingly promote and engage a place like that and then meekly lie about it and try to deny responsibility (without taking any steps to actually undo any damage they've caused)?

What exactly do you envision as our motivation for looking past all this? For the games?
 

matimeo

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Because those few include important people at the company, like Reinhard Pollice. It's not just lowly employees.

And? Do you think Phil Spencer represents how everyone at Xbox and all partners to Xbox development feels?

It's just sort of a immature way to look at things that's all. Kind of being in denial that the real world is more complex than that. Gamers have to grow a bit, either become a shareholder yourself or appeal to shareholders to get toxic leadership out. I think we only win by pushing from the outside and employees need to also step up and push from the inside.



Super senior people will almost always support those in management especially publicly. It sucks , seen many good people railroaded due to this common behavior in corporations.

United front and all that nonsense.

My point is the company is more than those few , be mad at them sure but don't think the company is full of the same types. It's just not true especially the bigger the company.

I think someone posted a comment from a dev who expressed concern about the company pandering to certain audiences but like I said there is no internal vote. Majority of employees feel the same as you but speaking out can cost you your job so until you figure out your next move must people keep their heads down unfortunately.

Sad thing is running companies especially public ones or bigger ones seems to not attract the best people, similar to politics. Most really great people just don't see themselves running a company or running for office. No idea how to fix that.

It always feels like even if we get one set of toxic leaders out another set finds their way in.
 

Vibranium

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Man that THQ situation is disgusting. I can only hope other partners put pressure on Wingfores so that some proper consequences occur, including the high level executive involved.

I am interested in more Destroy All Humans and Biomutant but I need to see how this plays out. I feel for the devs the most.
 

matimeo

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The "few" being the marketing director and the business and development director (basically the GM)... and you can't see why it's a big deal?

You don't think it's a big deal that the person who runs the business makes a joking reply to a "Cease Your Faggotry" meme saying that it could be something out of one of their upcoming games? You don't think it's a big deal that they show up to a place that openly promotes child pornography, get greeted by "Heil Hitler!", get buffeted by racist and homophobic slurs and continue to engage and jest like they fit in just fine? You don't think it's a big deal when the person responsible for the entire company's PR vows to keep "social justice" messaging out of their games? You don't think it's a big deal that they knowingly promote and engage a place like that and then meekly lie about it and try to deny responsibility (without taking any steps to actually undo any damage they've caused)?

What exactly do you envision as our motivation for looking past all this? For the games?

Didn't say look past it I said it seemed people were blaming the entire company and partners as if they had any say.

It's not like the entire company and all partners signed on for it, it also seems some of the people have been engaging in this type of behavior way before this on forums etc.

Titles don't mean much to me because I know lots of people with big titles who have no influence on products. They have the title to get the pay because they are friends of someone who is influential at the company.

People who feel super safe tend to love to act out. People with real responsibilities at higher levels don't have time for seeking out niche groups to do supposed AMAs.

Sounds like toxic people in leadership which if you're offended by you might as well stop buying everything because it's everywhere in the industry especially at bigger companies. Just usually it's kept internally.

Hopefully more leadership publicly out themselves so we can get rid of them. If they felt ok doing that publicly I can't imagine what they were subjecting people to internally.
 

Gabbo

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Oct 25, 2017
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As someone who used to work for THQ thank you lol.

Also why the extreme backlash towards the whole company for the actions of a few? Just curious.

Titles mean not as much as you think these days. It's kind of like going the district manager at McDonalds sucks so all the employees are trash too. I doubt the entire company and clients they have as developers who are even further removed voted on it lol.

To be fair my bosses would have no idea what that that site meant. Means nothing to them.

Seems like someone messed up , thought they were being hip then the company has to decide to throw that person over the boat ala Orth or release a shutdown statement ala Satya (hololens petition) . Either way it's damage control time.

Every company has a few people who somehow get in PR and marketing roles and they just do not represent the majority at all. It's super frustrating for the majority who are just trying to do their job.
I was thinking this too. Tomorrow hundreds of Devs and other THQN employees have to go to work with that over their heads. Can't be fun
 

texhnolyze

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just sent my March recommendation for Outward.

Hopefully it'll stay on Steam.

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Pixieking

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Oct 25, 2017
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So another triple a game getting moneyhatted weeks before release?

Fuck this piece of shit company tbh

Which games could it be, sekiro?

Anno, mortal kombat and total war three kingdoms are possibilities too

Won't be Sekiro - multiple publishers, and in the West Acti would use it for Battle.net leverage and take 100% of sales.

Anno is too niche, and out very soon.

Three Kingdoms is Sega, and they're tied deeply into the Steam ecosystem with workshop.

MK is what it is, I think.

Maybe Eitr? The store page says Summer release is being aimed for, but that doesn't mean the EGS exclusive reveal won't be in the Spring.
 

Mivey

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Oct 25, 2017
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Maybe he just means that Epic Game Store will finally add more features to make it a better Steam competitor, thus making Steam fans angry
 

dex3108

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Oct 26, 2017
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Both Sergey and Tim should really stay away from any social networks.

Also I was thinking about researching what really are costs of running Steam sized store but I don't know where to start. Other issue is how to calculate costs. Should they be calculated based on price tiers (60$, 40$, 20$)? Then how to calculate calculate actual bandwidth (only 1 download per user, with or without included patches over the course of 1 year...). Are there special deals for bandwidth if you are certain size? How to calculate human resources? How and should long term store development costs be calculated? It is kinda complex thing to research.
 

Madjoki

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Oct 25, 2017
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Cool. Sooner epic runs out of money, the better.

Maybe he just means that Epic Game Store will finally add more features to make it a better Steam competitor, thus making Steam fans angry

Hahaha. That would be nice but surely they just spend money on making Steam worse, rather than spending on self improvement
 

yuraya

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Oct 25, 2017
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Its probably gonna be MK11. Its unreal engine and MKX had horrible launch on Steam. Also had late content support, bad reviews etc irrc.

I can see WB doing it.
 

Mivey

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Yeah, seems very amateurish of him, and tbh there's few (or no) other industries where that kind of talk by a senior businessman would be tolerated within the company itself.
THQ Nordic seems just fine with it (since a lot of high ranking people outside of PR also joined in on the 8chan AMA ). The kind of talk they had there, just by the few screencaps I have seen, makes Galyonkin look like a saint.

The CEO is also surprisingly chill with having his subsidiary, which he pumped millions of Euroes into, associating itself with a site known for hosting child pornography.
That might faze me at least a little, but I guess Lars Wingefors might just a have different view on this.
 

dex3108

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One way or another you must give the credit for how they managed to swindle both developers and journalists to parrot their words without stop to think for a second.
 

Echo

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Assuming they run properly in the first place.

Bit of leeway there. Automata's borked, but it's better we have it then not at all. I always say the one thing I like most about PC as a platform is the community. People come together to fix shit when it needs fixing. Well, 'least when demand is great enough lol.

Still you get my point. ;)

I read this comment regarding nisa almost every friggin year since 2017 and we still see games from them on steam.
Id suggest waiting until after that event od theirs ends then see what they announce.

We're lucky to get what we do. It's barely a fraction of the overall output from NIS, or even just NISA in general. They obviously don't care to splash any real cash at well known or even just decent port teams.

And it's just weird how they treat the PC crowd in general. So you'll forgive my lack of faith in NISA.
 

ArjanN

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THQ Nordic seems just fine with it (since a lot of high ranking people outside of PR also joined in on the 8chan AMA ). The kind of talk they had there, just by the few screencaps I have seen, makes Galyonkin look like a saint.

The CEO is also surprisingly chill with having his subsidiary, which he pumped millions of Euroes into, associating itself with a site known for hosting child pornography.
That might faze me at least a little, but I guess Lars Wingefors might just a have different view on this.

From what I saw it was like two people. Honestly I figure the CEO probably considers this below his pay grade and is just annoyed at having to comment on an employee being an asshole on the internet/real life. Which I agree isn't a good look for the CEO, but I'll see how it develops considering it basically only just happened.
 

eonden

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From what I saw it was like two people. Honestly I figure the CEO probably considers this below his pay grade and is just annoyed at having to comment on an employee being an asshole on the internet/real life. Which I agree isn't a good look for the CEO, but I'll see how it develops considering it basically only just happened.
In the QA it was a guy in the board of the company and the PR manager. And it seems that it was a decision that was accepted by the whole PR department. A mess of this level is not below the pay grade of the CEO because two high level employees of his company used his company name in a website that is not shown by Google due to its content. The whole mess can easily fuck off any long term relationship with many IP holders (such as Nickelodeon) or distribution partnerships (such as publishing the physical games for MS games outside of XBox).
 

TenaciousD

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The sad thing about Overkill's the Walking Dead is that they could have just made Left for Dead but in The Walking Dead universe but with UE4 tech and it would have sold gangbusters. Look at Vermintide as an example.
 

ArjanN

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In the QA it was a guy in the board of the company and the PR manager. And it seems that it was a decision that was accepted by the whole PR department. A mess of this level is not below the pay grade of the CEO because two high level employees of his company used his company name in a website that is not shown by Google due to its content. The whole mess can easily fuck off any long term relationship with many IP holders (such as Nickelodeon) or distribution partnerships (such as publishing the physical games for MS games outside of XBox).

I'm not saying it's not a big deal, but the CEO is like a billionaire. He can afford not to care about anything he doesn't want to, and the inital response is almost always going to be to close ranks.

The 'accepted by the whole PR department' thing is iffy to me, it was likely the PR head that decided it and any other employees getting fucked over, because almost anyone should be able to tell this was a terrible idea instantly. IMO It was clearly a huge unforced error and they should definitely shitcan the PR dude and publicly distance themselves from it.
 
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