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The PC Builders Thread ("I Need a New PC") v3
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Awesome! If you don't want to dig too far into this I totally understand but would you have any suggestions on cards or series I could start looking for? This is my first new PC in like 8 years so I wasn't really paying attention to parts before like 2 months ago.
hey guys
reposting from last page i know a lot of people have questions with new card stuff :)
i have this PSU-am i ok for an eventual 3090? https://www.thermaltake.com/toughpower-750w-gold-modular.html i will also be using zen 3 with this
secondly, could someone recommend me some ready-to-go cases for this behemoth?
ty in advance :)
reposting from last page i know a lot of people have questions with new card stuff :)
i have this PSU-am i ok for an eventual 3090? https://www.thermaltake.com/toughpower-750w-gold-modular.html i will also be using zen 3 with this
secondly, could someone recommend me some ready-to-go cases for this behemoth?
ty in advance :)
Should be fine. Check out the Lian Li Lancool II mesh case.
So I will soon have a 1080ti lying around serving no purpose (will be getting the 3080). Something I have been considering doing with the old 1080ti is building a basic second PC for video recording purposes. I do a lot of Youtube work and currently get by just fine on a single GPU setup using the very good NVENC encoder in OBS but there are some tempting benefits to having a second PC doing the leg work, even if the encoders now are quite efficient and a 1080ti standalone is overkill.
I think I am just looking for someone to bounce this idea off of. What sort of CPU/MOBO/RAM combo is needed for this theoretical second PC where the GPU is the encoder and not the CPU (aka not doing x64 encodes)? I know it doesn't need to be much at all if I am sticking with NVENC encoding. I've just been mulling the idea over in my head for a little while now and can't quite seem to find the right approach to it. It feels weird to have a 1080ti just sitting around but it also feels weird to want to build a secondary PC when... I don't really need to. The 3080 coming in cheaper than expected has left a hole burning in my pocket with extra cash. I could just throw a 9900k into my main PC instead. Or do nothing at all. I dunno!
( For reference this is my current PC which is treating me very well current for all the recording while gaming and post-production editing needs https://pcpartpicker.com/user/therealminime/saved/#view=XHPfvK )
I think I am just looking for someone to bounce this idea off of. What sort of CPU/MOBO/RAM combo is needed for this theoretical second PC where the GPU is the encoder and not the CPU (aka not doing x64 encodes)? I know it doesn't need to be much at all if I am sticking with NVENC encoding. I've just been mulling the idea over in my head for a little while now and can't quite seem to find the right approach to it. It feels weird to have a 1080ti just sitting around but it also feels weird to want to build a secondary PC when... I don't really need to. The 3080 coming in cheaper than expected has left a hole burning in my pocket with extra cash. I could just throw a 9900k into my main PC instead. Or do nothing at all. I dunno!
( For reference this is my current PC which is treating me very well current for all the recording while gaming and post-production editing needs https://pcpartpicker.com/user/therealminime/saved/#view=XHPfvK )
3700x will have you in a good spot for years.
thank you! is this the one?
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i dont know much about cases-will this leave ample room for everything with plenty of airflow? i am also using a noctua nh-d15 if that helps knowing how much space i will need :)
OK so I've decided as to what I'm going to do. Finally.
I'm going to be buying the Fractal Design Mini C and a Corsair RM750x PSU.
Why?
- Having a bigger case to work in - with a PSU shroud - will just make my life easier in general, even if I don't upgrade that frequently
- It gives me room to use mATX motherboards as well as ITX ones, which will be nice in the future when AM4 is no longer supported
- There's fewer worries over PSUs as I can now use ATX ones without worrying about it choking my GPU
- It isn't too big
- I just like the look of it lol
Anyone got any objections before I go ahead with it? Again thanks for the help, everyone, and especially the suggestion to just move to a slightly bigger mATX case instead of trying for a full-sized ATX one.
I'm going to be buying the Fractal Design Mini C and a Corsair RM750x PSU.
Why?
- Having a bigger case to work in - with a PSU shroud - will just make my life easier in general, even if I don't upgrade that frequently
- It gives me room to use mATX motherboards as well as ITX ones, which will be nice in the future when AM4 is no longer supported
- There's fewer worries over PSUs as I can now use ATX ones without worrying about it choking my GPU
- It isn't too big
- I just like the look of it lol
Anyone got any objections before I go ahead with it? Again thanks for the help, everyone, and especially the suggestion to just move to a slightly bigger mATX case instead of trying for a full-sized ATX one.
How much you guys think I can sell a 2080TI for when the 3080 comes out? I just bought it for 1200 😭 and I feel like the resell price has just got ducking shattered!!! Would it be worth it to pick up a 3080 compared to a 2080TI?
thank you! is this the one?
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i dont know much about cases-will this leave ample room for everything with plenty of airflow? i am also using a noctua nh-d15 if that helps knowing how much space i will need :)
Yep, that's the one! Hardware Canucks, Tom's Hardware and Gamers Nexus approved.
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Ok thanks. What is a well recommended motherboard for it?
I got my 2080ti less than a year ago for $1100. Looks like the 3080 will be a worthy upgrade if you play on a 4K display.
I sold mine last month for $950. Back in February I sold my 1080 Ti for $450. They hold their value pretty well.
It's fine, but the Meshify Mini C would offer better airflow and is slightly more compact. Then again, due to the more open nature, while the fans might have to spin a bit faster, it still might be a bit more silent. But I have to mention again, I'd just wait and see whether my current parts are sufficient.
As a rough, but good enough guide use the "Legacy GPU Hierarchy" here (THG). Perhaps a Radeon 7850/R9 285/Geforce GTX580/670 as a lower end base line would still offer playable frame rates, is unlikely to lose value, should be around 25 € used, is still somewhat recent and completely blows a 710 (probably around tier 20 on the THG hierarchy) out of the water. Then again they also use more power and need active cooling, but as mentioned, you'd actually get something that would allow you to play games in the interim.
The value should be below the RTX3070, in reality there's a good chance, just due to the name and former standing as the top card, that it will stay well above that. But your best course of action, if you can't return it, is probably to try to find someone, who needs that kind of GPU right now.
ive had this in storage for a long time and never used it. Tried to sell it and now with todays news its gonna be built. I think im gonna use EATX unless that's just dumb. Its got room for anything.
I did think about that but as I won't be overclocking all that much I'm fine with things being a bit hotter if it means things are quieter overall. My current Nano S build is perfectly fine in that regard as well. Sure, my CPU idles at a fairly high temperature but at load both it and my GPU rarely reach above 70c. It's not really something I'm too worried about tbh.
I'm fine not bothering to wait and see because, at the end of the day, I'd have to upgrade some day; might as well be now. It's an extra £200 for a case and PSU that I'll be fine using for at least a few years to come, and that's perfectly fine by me tbh.
Sweet thanks for the tips guys 🙏 I'll probably wait until the 3080 comes out and then I'll try to sell my 2080TI for 600 but will drop to 500 or 450 if I have to but won't go below that. Won't be getting the Xbox so I might as well upgrade my GPU instead 😂
Edit: Also if anyone has a sec would they mind checking my specs and seeing if it would run a 3080? I'm pretty sure it will but I'm not to good with motherboards or power supplies if you could check those 🙂
My parts
Edit: Also if anyone has a sec would they mind checking my specs and seeing if it would run a 3080? I'm pretty sure it will but I'm not to good with motherboards or power supplies if you could check those 🙂
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Yes, your specs are fine. But a third alternative... keep your 2080Ti, unless you can basically sell it for the same price, a new 3080 would cost you. It's not impossible for that to work out.
So not worth waiting for Zen 3? I'm very indecisive about this lol.
Unless you feel the need to buy right now, it would be worthwhile to wait until the end of the year and Zen3. But you would of course be fine with one of the top CPUs as of right now.
I can probably wait then. I'm sure by the time I actually find a 3080 in stock Zen 3 will be out lmao
So, about my good old i7 4790k ...
It's been one of my favorite CPUs all-time and a reliable companion all those years. But with the new RTXs I feel like it may has reached its limits.
The thing is that for my usage case (1440p @120hz GSync; no problem with running high settings instead of ultra in really demanding games) I wonder if I should go with a 3070 or 3080 right now and try to sell my 2060. Or if I should wait for another year and get a whole new system alltogether.
Basically it's the old bottleneck question with those good ol 4c/8t i7s ... What would you do?
It's been one of my favorite CPUs all-time and a reliable companion all those years. But with the new RTXs I feel like it may has reached its limits.
The thing is that for my usage case (1440p @120hz GSync; no problem with running high settings instead of ultra in really demanding games) I wonder if I should go with a 3070 or 3080 right now and try to sell my 2060. Or if I should wait for another year and get a whole new system alltogether.
Basically it's the old bottleneck question with those good ol 4c/8t i7s ... What would you do?
I really appreciate the help. I'll fire up the old ebay and see if something pops up.
Ya that's probably a good idea so I'll try that. Then if I can't I'll just keep it until whenever the next series is
Waiting is never a bad idea, but also the 3700x is a great value in its own right.
If you can wait two months just to see how Ryzen 4000 looks, do it. If you want/need to build right now I would not feel bad about the 3700x at all though.
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I also agree that Ryzen 4000 this year is not a reason to completely hold on AMD. There will be a performance improvement but X86 is not like GPUs, they won't be offering a huge table-offering deal. It's just going to be a solid, reasonable increase. So I think I'm more interested in waiting at the high end - 10+cores where speed truly matters as opposed to ignoring a true bargain right now like the R3600.
I went from GTX970+4670K > GTX970+R3600 and there was a noticeable improvement as is. I think if you bought a 3070 the Intel 4x series would just be too aged and significantly hold you back. Sure, it would be faster* but 4790K+2060 is a much more balanced system that will cost you zero dollars.
I went from GTX970+4670K > GTX970+R3600 and there was a noticeable improvement as is. I think if you bought a 3070 the Intel 4x series would just be too aged and significantly hold you back. Sure, it would be faster* but 4790K+2060 is a much more balanced system that will cost you zero dollars.
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Something of a cross-post from other threads, but I think it's interesting for anyone here worried about their PSU with regards to RTX 3000:
ASUS (in the STRIX line) is adding LEDs to indicate if you're not getting enough power via the 8pin connector 12V rails. So you could literally see, on the top of the card (from a desktop perspective) if your PSU is doing fine or flubbing.
ASUS (in the STRIX line) is adding LEDs to indicate if you're not getting enough power via the 8pin connector 12V rails. So you could literally see, on the top of the card (from a desktop perspective) if your PSU is doing fine or flubbing.
sorry for the repost...hoping to get an answer in regards to this.
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DRAMless drives are not ideal, especially for the OS, but it's not the end of the world. It's still basically faster than a hard drive. I think you should keep it.
Yes, a 3700X is fine for the 3070. Honestly I'm going to roll a 3080 with my Ryzen 3600 for awhile though...just remember: Ryzen doesn't have built in GPUs so you need some kind of card in the meantime if you want an operational computer.
It's crazy what the 1080 Ti is still going for. I was checking today and some have still been selling around $500-600.
Are there any Socket 1151 boards with PCIE 4.0?
Most of my PC build is only a couple years old, except the GPU which is a 970. Going to be upgrading to a 3080 when they launch later this month.
The current CPU - i7 8700k
The current Mobo - Asrock Z370 Extreme Mobo
I noticed talk of PCIE 4 probably being the way to go for the 3080. Is there a mobo that is compatible that has PCIE 4? Been looking through 1151 boards on my local store website and struggling to see any. Does that mean I'd need a new CPU too if I get a board with 4.0?
Thanks!
Most of my PC build is only a couple years old, except the GPU which is a 970. Going to be upgrading to a 3080 when they launch later this month.
The current CPU - i7 8700k
The current Mobo - Asrock Z370 Extreme Mobo
I noticed talk of PCIE 4 probably being the way to go for the 3080. Is there a mobo that is compatible that has PCIE 4? Been looking through 1151 boards on my local store website and struggling to see any. Does that mean I'd need a new CPU too if I get a board with 4.0?
Thanks!
thanks! I know this might be a bad idea...but I'm thinking of just temporarily using my 5850 until the 3070 comes out...It'll be interesting to see how an 11 year old GPUs bottlenecks the processor
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Intel just straight up doesn't have PCIe 4.0 yet, even on their latest products. You will have to wait for their next motherboard+CPU. For now it's AMD X570/B550 only. But it's fully backwards compatible to PCIe 3 so you can still use 3080 on Intel.
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Nope. The cards will come with adapters, obviously, so you don't need to buy one. In theory vendors can sell 8+8pin>12 pin modular replacement cables for their power supplies but apart from a Seasonic rumor I haven't seen anything yet.
So. I got an Ultrawide monitor primarily for productivity (being able to have an IDE, slack, iTerm, and a web browser on one screen is amazing). But I'm a little confused on how this corresponds to games. My 970 can't drive games at this resolution (3840x1600) so I'm assuming I can just run them at like 1920x800 and have them scale evenly (or is there a better way to do this sort of scaling?)
I'm also a little hazy on Gsync. My understanding is I leave Gsync enabled for full screen and then turn vsync off in game. But since the monitor is so huge, how does that work for times when I want to play something like Rocket League in 1080p on one half of the monitor, and have a video playing on the other half? Is this a 'game-by-game' thing, or is there a general rule of thumb here ?
I'm also a little hazy on Gsync. My understanding is I leave Gsync enabled for full screen and then turn vsync off in game. But since the monitor is so huge, how does that work for times when I want to play something like Rocket League in 1080p on one half of the monitor, and have a video playing on the other half? Is this a 'game-by-game' thing, or is there a general rule of thumb here ?
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If you have an RTX20 series there is a setting for integer scaling (so perfect 2:1) but otherwise you can just set whatever resolution you want and your monitor will attempt to scale. 2:1 should look great, but might* be slightly blurry based on how the monitor scales it up. It should just "do" 2:1 but monitors just sometimes have their own quirks. Really depends on the monitor tech and also how close you sit. But for example I play 1080p on a 1440p monitor all the time (so, not integer scale) and sure, a little blurry but still looks great.
As I understand it G-Sync window mode is a bit of a hack and is kinda spotty. (Also, not sure if G-Sync window mode is only for monitors with G-Sync chips?)
With the nVidia announcement and looking like the AIB cards aren't far behind if not coming at the same time, I'm getting this shit started y'all
Question: Will a Ryzen 5 3600 be a bott
Since you're on the topic... do you think Ryzen 3600 will be much of a bottleneck for the 3080. Thinking of doing the same as you.
Since you're on the topic... do you think Ryzen 3600 will be much of a bottleneck for the 3080. Thinking of doing the same as you.
Is PCI-e 4.0 not much of a consideration now? All the motherboards I'm looking at are still PCI-e 3.0. That Intel 4.0 boost for M.2 SSDs not going to be much at the moment if I'm looking to do a 3080 build?
I found this bundle on a local store. I should probably get this ahead of time as this should be a good fit for a 3080 right?
https://www.pccasegear.com/bundle/200201/intel-gamer-days-core-i9-tomahawk-bundle
I found this bundle on a local store. I should probably get this ahead of time as this should be a good fit for a 3080 right?
https://www.pccasegear.com/bundle/200201/intel-gamer-days-core-i9-tomahawk-bundle
Hey ! So I'm shopping around for a 1TB ssd. I was thinking of getting an m2 ssd. Is it worth it to go for NVME considering I'll mostly be using it for gaming applications ? Does it bring any real benefits over a regular m2 sata. Also, is m2 sata more expensive than regular 2.5 inch SSDs? Thanks!
Replying for a quick bump and to also ask: will we need a PCI 4.0 motherboard for the 3800? Should I get something better than the B450?
Thanks!
All the new cards are backwards compatible with pcie gen 3, whether there will be a bottleneck is not something that we can answer yet. But I would expect the 3080 to do fine on gen 3. So far the only performance tests of any sort that we have seen are the video by Digital Foundry and the increased performance they were getting was on gen 3.
Nvidia's benchmarks are on a 10900K platform which doesn't even support PCIE 4.0, you'll be fine.
Wonder if I should go with a smaller tower this time or go mid-tower again.
Does someone have experience with the Lian Li TU150?
Does someone have experience with the Lian Li TU150?
There are intel bulds in the OP. There are AMD builds in the OP. There isn't much in the way of recommendations which direction to take.
If you remove budget as a barrier - and if the 90%/primary use is gaming - is Ryzen still recommeded? Intel still seems to get higher performance in games with fewer threads. But 'future' games that might be more threaded, and PCIe4 is one thing to consider for Ryzen - but they're both what-ifs right now
If you remove budget as a barrier - and if the 90%/primary use is gaming - is Ryzen still recommeded? Intel still seems to get higher performance in games with fewer threads. But 'future' games that might be more threaded, and PCIe4 is one thing to consider for Ryzen - but they're both what-ifs right now